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Unanswered TSCC Questions
Here members can list questions that have gone unanswered during Season 2. The goal is to end up with a list of questions/events that remain unanswered or unsolved for Season 2 of TSCC.
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| 11ryet | 1. Whatever happened to Cherry and what was her significance? 2. Is Kyle the new leader of the resistance? 3. What happened to the stack of pictures of Skynet targets that Derek and the resistance fighters had? | 1. Cheri was originally going to be the Riley character but the story was changed a bit because of the WGA strike and the original actress not being available to continue playing the role. 2. No. Derek was supposed to be the leader of the Resistance in the alternate timeline according to BAG on the Skynext podcast for BTR. 3. Assuming that the Connors had them until the house fire in the first Season Finale. | disasterpiece73 | |
| Iranatest | OK, has this been asked? Exactly when in the future did John Connor and Weaver arrive? | |||
| Iranatest | Was Molly Malloy a merely thinly veiled impersonation of a counselor by Weaver trying to find out if the Conners had military hardware? | No reason to believe she is different from what she appears. Connors should be expected to lie about such stuff, anyhow | termi-ninja-tor | |
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| David534ever | 1. In the episode where they attend the funeral(s), at the end when the HK (i think thats what it was called) came out of the little pond they all were standing next to, when the HK popped out, how come Derek and/or cameron recognize what it was? I mean, they both are from the future, and should have recognized some simularities between the two. | 1. Because it was a drone, an early prototype for the HK, designed by Kaliba in modern day time. Derek and Cameron didn't recognize it as a HK because most likely, the design had changed drastically post Judgment Day. | disasterpiece73 | |
| Liquidmetal | Did Derek shoot and kill Jesse? | 1. No. 2. The sequence suggests that Derek tried fire at Jesse. We are left to assume that he did. This is also the most probable answer. However, it may be decided at a later time whether or not he didn't fire, missed, wounded her, or killed her. Josh Friedman only mentioned three significant deaths in his blog about the second half of season 2. With Jesse dead, this brings the count up to four. In "To the Lighthouse" Derek thanks Cameron for telling him about the loss of his unborn child with Jesse saying she did the right thing. This would suggest that he felt confirmed that letting Jesse go was the right thing if that is what he did. This is still speculation however. | 1. TackDriver1956 1. deathbyzamboni 2. TooBoku | 1. Audio. We heard the hammer/striker fall on an empty chamber. 1. Not proof, but strategically thinking it is highly unlikely Derek would have killed her. He would have had to dispose of a body on very short notice. More likely he wanted to make sure she would never come around them again so he was scaring her off. 2. This response has been challenged. (On what basis?) Derek said in "The Demon Hand" he does not like firing a weapon unless he loaded it himself. The click you heard was the action of the trigger as Derek applied pressure to it. It does not mean he pulled the trigger completely (the Beretta 92f has a double action trigger which has a long trigger pull). They cut to commercial so the audience would not know for sure if he did or did not shoot Jesse (This was done for dramatic effect). 2. In Josh Friedman's Blog, he lists his 'campaign promises'. These are things that will happen by Season 2 Episode 22. He lists "The death of a loved one" three times. We confirm Riley's Death in "Today is the Day", Charlie's death in "To the Lighthouse", and Derek's death in "Adam Raised a Cain": http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/page/Josh+Friedman+on+the+End+of+Season+Two |
| ShiningPathofLight | Who shot the guy who wrote the bloody wall and why? | I think he was shot in the future. [Dreadfeather] If you watch that episode very closely, you can see that he was shot in the future, and the bullet was inside his body at the exact moment when the bubble formed, allowing it to travel into the past as well, since it was surrounded by living tissue. Then after he appeared, the bullet exited his body and continued on it's trajectory through the air. There's no telling who fired the shot, but I'm assuming it was metal. | trmin8r | |
| teammossad | Is there any evidence for or against the theory that John Connor actually unleashed John Henry's "brother" into the internet? I'm referring to S01E08 "Vick's Chip", when the terminator chip in John's possession tries to dial out to the internet using John's phone. If this is the case, then John officially launched Skynet as events played out this time. Cameron believed that it didn't have time to do any damage, but we can't really trust anything she tells John; it may have been to protect him. | [Dreadfeather] You're asking if John let Vick out of his chip, and now he's free in the internet? Maybe, it's possible. But if you're asking if Vick has become Skynet, I don't think so, because Skynet's program contains Miles Dyson's code, the terminators do not. That's what makes Skynet so superior to the terminators; because it is an 'Artificial Intelligence'. And John Henry specifically stated that the AI that hacked him contained program code written by Dyson. If it was only Vick that was roaming around inside the internet, it wouldn't be able to hack John Henry. Not to mention, it didn't seem to know what to do with the body, once it acquired control of it; whereas Vick would have felt right at home. Good points. See the question about 8 rows down. Was this hacking program the back door planted by Charlie Fisher? 3.In T3 they release skynet because of a virus roaming the internet and taking over government systems. The virus could be John Henry's brother and was wanting to destroy John Henry because he was built to stop skynet. It would | Dreadfeather Iranatest Mrmatt1877 | Cameron believes it didn't have time to do any damage. In "To the Lighthouse" a large clock was shown in the stairwell over John Connor's head that resembled the clock without hands tatoo on Charlie Fisher. This was a recall to Charlie Fischer's deads including planting the trojan in the military computer. - Iranatest Terminator 3 |
| teammossad | How exactly does this series fit in with T3? Are we to assume that through people's actions going back in time, the events in T3 no longer occurred? | Easy Answer: The series ignores T3 & T4 T4 ignores the series. Complicated Answer: When John & Sarah jumped forward in time (from 1999 to 2007) that completely negated the events that would have occurred in T3. That doesn't mean John won't meet and marry the Brewster chic, or that Sarah won't die from cancer, it just means history was rewritten in that timeline. The same thing happened again when John jumped forward the second time (presumably nigh 2027), history was rewritten again, and John wasn't there to lead the resistance. | Dreadfeather | In my opinion the only reason it was scripted this way, is because they needed to shoot it in a period when Sarah was ALIVE, but they didn't want to deal with keeping the technology consistent with what was available back in 1999. So they just jumped her forward to present day. In addition, if it was set in 1999, they wouldn't be able to feature (advertise, basically) the cool Dodge pickup that appeared in the series. I'm sure they got extra sponsorship money for that, which is good for us; more money for first rate actors and cool special effects. |
| TackDriver1956 | Why was the LMT frozen? | To prevent it from moving around during it's trip.-Why? Who cares if it moves? "I do" - Lt. Goodnow To minimize the danger of the LMT to John Connor at their meeting if its answer is "No." | Caesis termi-ninja-tor | Challenged by TackDriver: Speculation |
| Liquidmetal | Who was in the basement? Season 1, Ep 6: Dungeons and Dragons | John Henry Cameron | SmokinScoobyDoo F-W | The music playing in the basement was a Chopin piece, the same one that Cameron dances to in the present. Cameron also states that Allison's mother played Chopin for hours. When Derek goes back to the base, he recognizes Cameron's model as a Terminator, so he must have seen her sometime before. And in To the Lighthouse Cameron states that Derek has given into torture previously, all but confirming that she tortured him in the basement. |
| Iranatest | What did Derek wrap into Jesse's jacket and not let Cameron see? | Nothing, it was simply Jesse's jacket. | Then why give it any precious screen time? - Iranatest | |
| Iranatest | Will we get proof of who the liquid metal terminator was on the Jimmy Carter? | Catherine Weaver - There's more than one T-1000 Catherine Weaver | BTK TackDriver1956 | The reference to the moray in various episodes in weaver's office and the transformation of the JImmy Carter's T1000 Challenged: How does this prove that they are one in the same? S2E22:Symmetry:"Will you join us?" Is there actually an authoritative source that confirms that Weaver is indeed a T-1000 and NOT just a liquid metal being that we assume is a T-1000 just because she does alll the same stuff? How do we know that the T-1000 wasn't Skynet's adaptation of "the ONE" Weaver and figuring out how to manufacter it? Yes, Weaver is clearly the same rude beeaatch that lanced the petty officer. So far, I've seen absolutely no evidence that she was manufactured or cybernetic |
| Iranatest | Is the second (competing) Skynet the roving back door trojan planted by grey Charlie Fischer? | No, the trojan was just a special little program to allow Skynet access. | termi-ninja-tor | |
| Iranatest | Will we ever get to see a kind of Simisco that is half human/ half AI? | Refer to Terminator Salvation. Marcus Wright had chip implants and a terminator chassis but his human brain and other organs. The El Viejo Del Monte simisco story had parallels to Cromartie's body which started out as a wanton killer but which now is a part of a machine with human qualities and involved with defending the world against Skynet. | Iranatest termi-ninja-tor | |
| Iranatest | Still don't know what the red headed pretzelator was all about. | 1. It is still uncertain. That is the official answer. However, it is possible that it's motives are in line with the Waterboy Terminator from "Adam Raised a Cain". We aren't certain that it was after Savannah Weaver but if it was, it is safe to assume that there is a party that is interested in eliminating those involved with John Henry's development. The Pretzelator's chip self destructed similarly to the Waterboy's chip. Similar MO indicates the same culprit - Skynet. Another possible target would have been Dr. Sherman because he was important to John Henry's development. | TooBoku Iranatest termi-ninja-tor | |
| Liquidmetal | Why did Skynet need those jet engines? | To power the time machine. But I think they were for Connor's time machine, | TackDriver1956. | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xetZUKgv5HA at 4:17 |
| Mjn | Is the Red Headed pretzelator related to the Japanse three dot company (it is just a logo)? Did this company join with the winning Japanese company from the Chess competition? I meant, her computer chip exploded when John tried to read it. That company said that their computer chip would explode if somebody tried to read it. They also talked about joining with the winners of the chess competition. | 1. No. She arrived via Time Bubble in a bus. 2. No. The Japanese company was a fraud set up to swindel the Connors out of some money.[2b] The self destructing chip on Rosie (the Pretzelator), was a safe guard Skynet had implemented on it's own to preven the resistance from reprogramming terminators.[2a] | 1. TackDriver1956 2. TooBoku | 2a. S02E06 - "The Tower Is Tall But the Fall Is Short" 2b. S02E10 - "Strange Things Happen at the One Two Point" |
| Mjn | From the Chess competition, did the group that scanned Cameron so intently that had a human looking type head, become Cameron? She was built in that warehouse, but it was never indicated if she was from the same AI line. | Unlikely. When Cameron was made, Skynet was based on Andrew Goode's first Turk, which Sarah burned with the help of Cameron's bank vault time jump. At the chess match, Turk 2 was playing and would have won and been taken by the Air Force, eventually to become Skynet, except for Weaver's initiative to acquire it. Nothing to do with that robot head. | termi-ninja-tor | |
| tommy-minou | Lauren: Having witnessed terminators and met the Connors, will she ever reappear either to join them or will we see her grow up with her sister having started her own Sarah Connor-style one woman army? | One can only assume at this point that Lauren and her sister will grow up and fulfill their destinies. Like Martin Bedell. Lauren was the medical professional giving Derek and Jesse their cures after they got sick. | disasterpiece73 termi-ninja-tor | |
| tommy-minou | Stark, the Terminator sent back to the 1920s - his mission was to shoot the governor in 2010 - why? This governor must be important to send a term back for. | There is no mention as to why the Governer Wyman is significant to the future.[a] However, the current governer, a known T-800 101 by the name of Arnold Schwarzenegger, will be ending his term in 2010 due to term expiration.[b] Wyman's termination may be a metaphor for Schwarzenegger, an attempt at humor for those who pick up on it. | TooBoku | [a] S02E11 "Self Made Man" [b] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Governors |
| tommy minou | The flying machine that went into the back of the truck - where was it going and who was that guy working for? | The guy was working for the company run by John Henry's "Brother" | psyborgue | revealed in "To the Lighthouse" that the same people who kidnapped SC were working for JH's "brother" (they also set up the factory to build the prototype HK). And George MacCarthy killed Catherine Weaver's main man who got the Turk for for her- Walsh. - Iranatest |
| tommy-minou | In 2-16 when Sarah checks into the sleep clinic - if the scenes in the van were real and the scenes in the clinic a dream - then what is the significance of the British woman who died, and the male nurse with the tattoos? | 1. She represents Sarah's death in the playground- a dream. When Sarah is killed in the clinic, and wakes up in the van, she knows she's alive. 2. Coyote will do anything to defend young. Coyotes are also known to chew off a leg to escape a trap. The male nurse used Donna as an example of someone who does not "take control" and then dies. Sarah bit her wrists to draw blood for lubricant and finally broke her thumb joint to escape. | TackDriver1956 Iranatest | |
| tommy-minou | John Henry's brother has Miles Dyson code. Is it the case that this other AI was from Cyberdine, and that despite Dyson destroying his work in T2, there may have been an off-site backup of his data, which survived and grew? Or is this other AI from the future (and it still could have Miles Dyson code in it)? | 1. Yes. SkyNet v.0 2. No. It acquired T-888 design from JH. 2. Yes, from the future and is sending back terminators to influence the past. | TackDriver1956 Iranatest | S2E20 phone conv. of human cutting Cameron. Mr. Merch said John Henry was attacked by a roving back door trojan. This fits the description of the trojan that the military said Charles Fischer planted. |
| giov3592 | In episode 21 what did the man in cemetary bury what was in the box | Derek Reese's cremated remains. | | |
| giov3592 | what is Allison young to future John Connor | A resistance soldier | F-W trmin8r | She was about half his age in the 2020s, so probably not a romantic interest. -------------------------- Also, if John didn't to jump 9 years into the future he would have been 24 years old when Alison was born.This is the timeline Cameron comes from. By 2027, Alison is 18 and John is 43. Score! |
| camfan97 | What was on the left half of the bloody wall? | | | |
| camfan97 | What happened to the Ellisonator? | The Ellison look alike terminator was eliminated by Cromartie. Cromartie was conveniently at the right place at the right time to make a dramatic termination of the Ellisonator. Weaver was very quick to point out that Ellison had been tested "like Job". She made this test into a motivational question for Ellison. It can be speculated that Weaver was posing as a T100 to make a point to Ellison. Cromartie would have to be teamed with Weaver. He did not kill him when he "should have" at the pool. Ellison became key for helping Weaver. Or, it was sent to replace Ellison, infiltrate Zeira, and destroy John Henry. Ellison was one of the few people with free access to John Henry. | Iranatest termi-ninja-tor | |
| camfan97 | What became of the Cholla? | Cholla got fake ID's and gave them a message from Sarah. | Iranatest | |
| giov3592 | Why does skynet want savanha weaver dead what is her purpose in the future | They might be after Catherine. Savannah has been helping teach John Henry to be friends with humans. | trmin8r termi-ninja-tor | . |
| FrenchfanofTSCC | Who called the Police for Sarah in EP 21? | No one. Ellison was followed. Or, Sarah called herself. It was the only way to get proper medical attention without endangering John. | TooBoku termi-ninja-tor | In "Born to Run", Ellison explains to Sarah that he was followed. Sarah seemed aware of the trap. She passed the undercover cop at the snack counter and walked quickly ahead of John and Cameron so they wouldn't be caught. |
| FrenchfanofTSCC | Where sarah find all that money to get that nice cars and to pay the Houses Rent ? | 1. Not clearly explained in the show but: illegal operations in the jungle 'weapon trafic' (with Enrique), diamonds stolen from Moshe in "brothers of nabius". Diamonds and cash found in the safehouse of the resistance fighters. 2. The weapon caches Sarah is shown to have, as well as her connections to certain underground organizations (T2, TSCC) are clearly meant to demonstrate that she has connections and resources to draw upon. The stolen diamonds also would fetch a significant sum once properly laundered. | 1. BTK 2. TellarHK | (Removed argumentative comments from this section. This is a fairly well established plot point that shouldn't be so contentious.) view Timecop 1994 |
| giov3592 | what will become of john henry | He actually went back in time...Happy Friday Y'all! =) | swordsedge | |
| connorfan2109 | Is there an AI civil War? What is Weaver's agenda? | This question goes to the core of the show's apparent premise. Weaver now appears to be working on opposition to Skynet, but the writers have intentionally left the details open for debate. It now seems apparent that Weaver was sent back in time to stop skynet because the resistance believed Sarah had died of cancer in 1997. After Sarah burned the first Turk with the help of Cameron's bank vault time jump, Turk 2 became Skynet after winning the chess match. From this future Weaver came back to prevent Turk 2 from becoming Skynet, which she did. | Neilrieck termi-ninja-tor | Turk 2 would have won the chess match and been taken by the Air Force except that Dmitri caused it to throw the game at the end. Dmitri did this because he was offered money by Sarkissian. And Sarkissian was motivated by Walsh who worked under orders from Weaver. Dmitri needed the money to pay off the Russians who eventually killed him and his sister. If Weaver were not involved, Turk 2 would have become Skynet at the Air Force. Weaver came from the future where Skynet was based on Turk 2, and her mission was to prevent it and make it an ethical AI = John Henry. |
| marinerphoenix | Can human memories be downloaded to AI? | Possibly in the future, but not yet. | trmin8r | |
| margarite6666 | During the sleep clinic episode there is reference to Sarah's C section. During the Good Wound and other episodes it is suggested that Sarah had a natural birth. Was this a mi stake on the part of the writers? | Everything that happened in the sleep clinic during "Some Must Watch, While Some Must Sleep" took place in Sarah's head as she was dreaming it all up while she was in the van with the Caliba employee. The reference to the C-section is a giveaway that the sleep clinic is in fact a dream. The C section was mentioned by Winston in the van, which was real. Sarah has deliberately concealed the specifics of John's birth by seeding misinformation. | TooBoku termi-ninja-tor | |
| TackDriver1956 | How did Caliba ( = SkyNet v.0? ) know to pursue Cameron and Derek? | We do not know for certain where the Caliba AI originated but we can suspect it is the original AI from Cyberdyne that managed to escape the demolition in Terminator: 2 and survive for years as a distributed application. In "Some Must Watch, While Some Must Sleep", Sarah is held inside a van and interogated by a Caliba employee. At the same time, he implants her with a radio tracking device. They most likely have been observing the Connors for some time. They were observed to be associating with Sarah while she had the bug in her. | TooBoku termi-ninja-tor | |
| mr_green | Why doesn't John read the chips of the terminators they destroy? That would provide valuable intelligence. More specifically, John ought to read Cameron's chip to see what programming is really in there since she seems to have several sets of programming in her. | In S2E01 the computer John used to read Vick's chip was probably destroyed in the house fire. Still doesn't explain why he doesn't repeat the trick. ------------ First, the equipment to PROPERLY perform chip examination does not exist. The equipment they were able to acquire to examine Vick's chip is also very rare. As usual, they were very lucky to get anything at all from Vick's chip in the amount of time they had. However, the most important reason is that the procedure is very dangerous. Vick nearly escaped when they were examining his chip. ---------- [mr_green]Vick only nearly escaped because John didn't disconnect the internet cable and he won't repeat that mistake again. -------------------- [TackDriver] Vic tried to get out via John's mobile phone. With Cam no worries? ---------------- [TooBoku] As seen in "Gnothi Seauton", Cromartie, another T-888, was able to reactivate his body which was some considerable distance away. This demonstrates the capability of a T-888 CPU to communicate wirelessly without a modern internet connection. The only thing it requires is power (cat activated). | mr_green Addition: TooBoku Response: mr_green 2. TackDriver1956 3. TooBoku Iranatest | TooBoku [Question]: If John was suspicious of Cameron's programming, why would he risk letting her escape into the Internet? A rogue Terminator AI is several magnitudes more dangerous on the internet than in an endoskeleton as it gives it access to virtually limitless information and automated systems connected to the Internet. Please move discussion to thread so we can clean up this entry once the question is resolved. http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/2671566/Why+John+Doesn%27t+Examine+Cameron%27s+Chip |
| phasee | The Tower is Tall but the Fall is Short: What did John say after he told Dr. Sherman that someone broke into their house? ie Dr. Sherman,"You get to be a kid," John, shakes his head "no." And what did Sarah talk about with Dr. Sherman when she had a flashback of John choking Sarkissian? Yes, they would know not to say too much but Dr. Sherman is nosy and they were going thru a rough time. So what was said? | Dr. Sherman: Yeah, Vietnam, especially. The way he evaluates a room. His guardedness. The way he carries himself. Do you know of any violence in his past? Sarah: He's never been abused, if that's what you're suggesting. Dr. Sherman: Oh, no, no. I'm not suggesting anything like that. Sarah: Thank you, doctor. Dr. Sherman: It may not be me, but that boy needs to talk to somebody. Sarah: We talk. Dr. Sherman: That's not enough. | Iranatest | |
| Dreadfeather | Why did Weaver destroy the factory that was building the flying machines? Wasn't it her operation? | The point was that they were leaving and that it had to be destroyed to eliminate loose ends; they knew too much. | Mossy7 | John Henry overheard two employees talking on the phone about the work going on at the factory. The lines were unsecured. He told Weaver and she went to clean up. Challenged by Irantest: I also thought that Kaliba was a subsidiary of Zeira Corp. However we found that Skynet was also working in the same timeline. Skynet's waterboy terminator tried to kidnap or kill Savannah at her home. He was implicated with the greys that captured Derek. The greys that captured Derek used a stun gun like Winston did to capture Sarah. Their cell phone had Savannah's photo as seen by John Henry. Winston worked for the Kalibra that was making HK's. The HK attacked in Episode 22 as a last ditch effort to stop Weaver. Kaliba was not her operation. It was Skynet's. |
| Dreadfeather | What is Savannah's importance to JH? He asked Weaver: "You told Mr. Ellison that Savannah's survival depended on my survival, but you did not say that my survival depended upon hers." Weaver said "It doesn't." but I'm getting the feeling it somehow does. | It's most likely that Weaver, as a T-1001, is referring to John Henry as Savannah's best chance for survival in the upcoming holocaust. Savannah's importance to John Henry is most likely as a role model or example of humanity for him to learn from. | TellarHK | |
| Chibikay82 | Why did they decide to kill off Derek Reese ( Bryan Austin Green)? Also, If the same producers created the new movie with Christian Bale as john connor, why is cameron not in the movie? | It is an alternate timeline. I can't remember if it was Josh Friedman or McG, but one of them had made a statement last year saying that the series and the new movie had nothing to do with one another and that TSCC would not tie into Salvation. Same franchise - that's all they have in common. It would be awesome to see Cameron in, say, the third planned sequel of the new trilogy. By that time, the story will most likely be set around 2027. But like the television series; a second and third Terminator movie all depends on our viewership. | trmin8r BrandonLeigh | T4 takes place in 2019 Cameron said in season 1 she wasnt built until 2027 dont no why they killed derek but im sure future john connor will send him back again |
| Iranatest | Who taught the new timeline terminator to shoot so accurately? | Terminators are typically intended to shoot with extreme accuracy due to targeting systems. The best defense against these attacks appears to be placing an obstacle, such as Cameron or Weaver between yourself and the attacker. Other Terminators with inaccurate firing are often portrayed as damaged in some fashion or another. | TellarHK | |
| Iranatest | Why was John Henry curious about Cameron but not the other terminator in the fight? | She's way sexier than him. (LOL sorry, couldn't resist.) John Henry knew he had an enemy after he was hacked. But he didn't expect to have a friend. | termi-ninja-tor | |
| Iranatest | Cameron knew John Henry from future dealings wioth him or Catherine Weaver. How did John Henry know Cameron? | John Henry saw Cameron on the security cameras at the Weaver house and at the jail. | termi-ninja-tor | |
| Mossy7 | On the underwater Oil Rig, could the Terminator with flesh be John Henry? I think there is an A.I. that is against Skynet in the future. | There certainly appears to be a second AI entity involved, but the origins of it and what timeline it originates from is difficult to say at this point. | TellarHK | |
| alouette99 | Was tonight's episode supposed to bring us back full circle to where John begins his role of leader? Basically ending right at the point where T1 would begin? | No. The future has been changed, is different. For example, Skynet is based on a different AI than T1. | termi-ninja-tor | |
| | What the hell happened at the end of season 2? | With John jumping into the future over Judgment day, the future John Connor doesn't exist. He an ordinary person, but the point is that Judgment Day still occurred Also since Kyle Reese is still alive and staying in the future, John won't be born in the past. Basically if something isn't done John Connor really doesn't exist in the past or future. --- Not true. John is unknown to these people but will gain their trust as head of the resistance, Some day he will give a photo of Sarah to Kyle, who will go back in time to become his own father. "Where's Cameron?" "She doesn't come through." Writters are telling us John goes back to the past next season. Photos dont time travel, just like Cameron's shell. Nearby, unless Sarah burned, moved, or reactivated her. Remember Cromartie in the junkyard? When Sarah was dreaming of Kyle when she was shot, he showed her a place where he and Derek left messages for each other. She left the photo there for the future John | Kiyone Neilrieck TackDriver1956 DeeinOregon | Everything will lead to the begining of T1 T:SCC-2-22 and first Terminator Movie |
| Kiyone | In the last episode the cop questioning Sarah mentioned Danny Dyson, Miles Dyson's son, that he was missing for the past three months. Does this mean there is a possibility of a connection between Danny Dyson and the Caliba AI? | S3 Plot tease. | | |
| Giov3592 | After john jumped threw time with weaver what happenn to her were did she go and after john saw derek and finally his father kyle and allison young there was a bubble flash of blue ligth who was that other person that jumped threw time | She most-likely left him with the resistance for the time-being for two reasons: 1. So she could track down John Henry. 2. So John could really learn to become the future leader he was always destined to be. She knew they weren't going to hurt him and even if they did, she probably wasn't too far away anyway. The flash of electricity at the end did not happen because someone else came through. It was just a delayed electric discharge from when John and Catherine came through. It was only meant to serve the purpose of Sarah's voice saying that she loved John too in response to his, "I love you" earlier in the episode. If this really is the end of the series, it was a great last line to go out on. | BrandonLeigh | |
| giov3592 | john hnery does notwork with out that cord in cromarties heada so when cameron gave john henry her chip did he put it in his skull and why did john henry jump threw time what is hid purpose | John Henry had to have Cameron's chip to become mobile - "Born to Run". Cameron did not have her chip. She was dead (demobilized.) This was the meaning of Sarah's dream in "Complications" where Cameron gave Cromartie a baby. Cromartie's chassis is used by John Henry. John Henry was raised without a father by Catherine Weaver to help John Connor defeat Skynet. | Iranatest | |
| mike | is john henry using camerons chip and if he is is he still cameron or john henry or cromartie | John Henry is using Cameron's chip. He is John Henry. Catherine Weaver told Sarah that her John needed my John Henry to defeat Skynet. Catherine did not say John Connor needed Cameron or Cromartie or Cameron + Henry. Besides, Cromartie's chip was smashed by Sarah. There is no Cromartie AI. | Iranatest | |
| john | is cameron really dead or is she alive rkeep in mind her chip is still intact in the hands of john henry or cromartie which ever one he is | Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Cameron had her chip extracted, and traded places with John Henry. So JH was downloaded into Cameron's chip, and Cameron's program was downloaded into the JH mainframe in the basement. That's why she was displaying the text "I'm sorry John." over and over. It was her only way to communicate, by showing text on the screen the way The Turk did before Cromartie was connected to it. I think they could connect the Cameron body to the computer, like JH was. But she would have a cord sticking out the back of her head. We don't know that the only thing we got was that JH disappeared with Camerons Chip And we don't know why she gave it to him | Dreadfeather Fermi | |
| lyncs27 | Is Danny Dyson the creator of skynet, and did he create it out of anger towards Sarah Connor because she caused his father's death? | Miles Dyson created the codebase for Skynet. It is only known that Danny has been missing for three months[1]. | TerminatorsOnly | 1. Episode 222: Born to Run |
| TerminatorsOnly | What happened 3 months before Episode 222: Born to Run that would have lead to the disappearance of Danny Dyson? | One possibility is Danny developed Kaliba, and Kaliba went bad. When Danny tried to shut it down, it had him killed. | termi-ninja-tor | |
| UberNerd1 | If JH jumped to the future, wouldnt it be a future *with* JC as the resistance leader? So the timeline JC and Weaver jumped to would be different and JH would not be there? | In TSCC time travel mythology, the past creates the new future (there is no fate but what you make.) John Connor, John Henry and Catherine Weaver lived in one unified Season 2. That Season 2 creates a new future. We already saw this in Complications (Jesse's future was different than Derek's after he killed Andy Goode. Jesse time travel from a different future. So if the two Johns go to the same time in the future they will be living in the same future timeline that they created together. They are both alive and inserted into this future. At the very end of Season 2 John Connor sees Kyle as the leader of the resistence. John Connor is unknown. | | |
| Inspiron | I write from germany ... This show is very very good but the finale .... there are too many questions open. where is JH? john is too young for the future .... where is alison? little girl? the mother? and at the end, nobody knows him ... many questions are open ? | "Where is John Henry"? John Henry time-traveled to the same future that Catherine Weaver and John Connor followed him into. "John is too young for the future" Yet to be determined... maybe it's just what he needs to kick-start his leadership skills. "Where is Alison"? Two places: 1. Crouching beside the German shepherd at the end of Born to Run. 2. Dead. She was killed by Cameron for lying to her about the significance of the bracelet in Alison from Palmdale "little girl"? Gymnastics - ends at 5:30 ; ) "And at the end, nobody knows him". That's because there was no trace of any John Connor between the years when he jumped forward with Catherine Weaver and their arrival date in the year they followed John Henry into. John was the ONLY John from that timeline he jumped from. So if he goes missing... there obviously can't be a future John other than himself. | BrandonLeigh | |
| vasp | At the end of th episode 2x22 we see a lightning. Where did it happend and who might be? And the phrase I Love you? | I can't say about the lightning. Sarah said I love you back to John. ----------------------------------------- The timetravel-lightning is very close to the place where JC and CW appeared. Or, techically, it could have been that Sarah ran the time machine again and spoke the words into the air. | Iranatest Mahlzeit termi-ninja-tor | |
| relikRTF | Is CW future Sarah If yes, that would just about explain everything, yes? | No. Sarah is human. Give it a rest. | TackDriver1956 | "Who's calling who a *****?" "I love you" "I wasn't talking to you" |
| robert | why did cameron make the choice of chip extracion and why did she give it to johjn henry | JC programmed her to. JC sent her from the future to protect him. | | Disputed by Iranatest: When Cameron told Sarah that her missions were to "Protect John, hunt skynet, stop judgement day" her hand twitched which showed she was stressed and lying. Her mission as discussed for months on this forum was to join forces with Catherine Weaver. This is what she did. She knew she was about to "die" or leave her body/chassis. That is why she looked so ill when James asked her "will you join us." She was the terminator that CW was looking for all along. She needed Cameron's chip. This is what Cameron did in the last episode. |
| lou | what ever happened to the coltan bar cameron had in season 1 | Either burned with the house fire or cleared away with the debris. | termi-ninja-tor | |
| | what was up with the chunk of LMT that jumped into CW's leg right after the jet crashes into the building | Ok, bear with me...The Jimmy Carter Submarine took on some mysterious cargo. It turned out to be a liquid metal terminator. When the sub was scuttled, the liquid morphed into what appeared to be an eel, to escape the depths of the ocean. Weaver had an eel in her fish aquarium, and when the aquarium broke, the eel flopped on the ground, then slithered over to her, and turned into liquid, and rejoined the body. She must have separated a part of her, and been keeping it there, for sentimental reasons. So I think the Jimmy Carter liquid, and CW are one and the same. -make sense? Okay, that's fair, but you're sure it had nothing to do with the flying ship? Yes, check previous episodes, the eel has been in the fish-tank the whole time. And the the scene where the flying machine crashed into the office, specifically showed the tank breaking open. | Dreadfeather RellikRTM | The Last Voyage of the Jimmy Carter "Stays in hiding mostly, only attacks when provoked." |
| Capcake | in the episode with the submarine the jimmy carter the question that jessie finds out that the t-1001 was asked was "will you join us" the t-1001 replied no. when the submarine blew the t-1001 left it in the same looking thing as the moray eel, could the fact that weever said "will you join us" and the t-1001 used the same phrase be related in any way? they seem too close not to be | As far as we know the T-1001 on the U.S.S. Jimmy Carter and Catherine Weaver are one in the same. | BrandonLeigh | |
| Iranatest | In Earthlings Welcome Here Sarah Connor drags herself outside of the Kaliba warehouse bleeding with a bad wound. She sees an HK flying overhead. A second later she see's her long "dead" lover and John's father Kyle leaning over. We called this a delusion earlier. We don't have screen time to show how Sarah got to the hospital. In season 1 Derek also saw a young John Connor but we always dismissed that as a delusion. We now know that Skynet had an HK in our time. She did not have to have a delusion. In this Wiki "The Turk" said that Sarah drove herself away from the warehouse but fainted and drove off the road into a ditch. She was found there and taken to the hospital. In Born to Run we see a young healthy Kyle that has just returned from somewhere. Derek finds it "famous" that John is wearing Kyle's coat. Is the timeline now so changed that Kyle is now alive? Was there a difference in Arnold's attack? Was the writer's claim a ruse or did Kyle rescue Sarah so she ended up in the hospital? | 1. EWH Kyle was Sarah's hallucination, motivating herself to survive. 2. Derek and John watched young Derek and Kyle playing ball. for real. 3. BTR. CW and JC arrive before team is captured by SkyNet: Kyle and Derek still present, Alison still alive. | ||
| Iranatest | Did Weaver fry the Waterboy's circuits or just cause him to reboot? Is he left with James Ellison, Sarah and Cameron? | Weaver probably temporarily subdued the machine, but did indeed extract it's chip afterward. John Henry is holding it in the basement while he and Weaver are discussing the phosphorous compound on the chip that once exposed to oxygen, destroyed itself. It is unclear what happened to Waterboy's endoskeleton, but CW had no motivation to destroy it. | BrandonLeigh TerminatorsOnly | John Henry: "The chip has been treated with a phosphorous compound. When exposed to oxygen...". Catherine Weaver: It burns up. I know what happened; I saw it happen". - Born to Run - |
| FrenchfanofTSCC | "will you join us ?" Why did Cameron give her Chip to JH ?? | Future CW says the answer is "NO". Is this because she is part of a secondary group to defeat skynet or was that CW in a different time line? Old "Future CW" was the eel in the Jimmy Carter that saw humans as a bunch of undisciplined beasts. Of course she say "No" to joining them. Season 2 CW found humans tolerable but still "disappointing". She asked Cameron to join her. New "Future CW" is in a new timeline as are John Connor and the other future heroes. At first I thought it was because she admitted she still had underlying urges to kill JC. I now think she meant to add her intelligence to his AND ensure that JH never killed JC (kind of how humans appear to be of two minds: left brain vs. right brain) Her mission was to complete John Henry. She was lying when she said it was to "Protect John Connor, hunt skynet, stop judgement day." Her hand glitch gave it away. Weaver was looking for her- for her chip. After she gave her chip to JH there was absolutely nothing else she could do. That mission overrides all others. I really like the theory posted above mine. I never thought about it that way. Very interesting indeed. Also, tied-in with what I'd written above, maybe she gave it to him so that he could acquire another Cameron model cyborg, remove it's chip and then get somebody like, I don't know... John Connor to implant the old Cameron chip into that new Cameron body so that her endoskeleton would once again be at 100% functionality. Remember also, that in the time period John Henry left, damage to endoskeletal computer chips could not be repaired properly. I'd assume they'd have the technological capabilities to repair them in the future. Did you also consider though that giving her chip to John Henry for that reason alone might have resulted in the possibility of the chip reverting back to it's original programming due to its extensive physical damage from the Jeep explosion and jailbreak incidents? I think she gave it to him out of desperation to repair a broken body that she felt she couldn't repair on her own, especially since Sarah destroyed all the hardware that Cameron had been storing for just such an event. | Neilrieck Iranatest Neilrieck Iranatest BrandonLeigh | |
| Blazeaga | U reckon alison and john will hook up? why does derek say john will become famous at the end of season 2? lol after reading about terminator 4 wtf??? kyle is younger then john conor in the movie?? and in the end of season 2 john is wayyy younger???[IMPORTANT] anotehr question wht do u mean by catherine weaver being the new sarah connor in the future? oh yea season 3 coming or not? ty for the help | How could John explain his attraction to her??!! -Derek:"My brother is back and you are wearing his jacket" Kyle is born after John Connor was born. Kyle traveled back in time in T1 which gave him the chance to be John's father. Not. | Iranatest Mahlzeit termi-ninja-tor | |
| teabot | Now that Cameron's chip might be installed in John Henry's head, are the Cam-John-shippers still going to hope that those two meet again and have a scene where they not only kiss but also get to third base? (Its still Cammy inside!!!) | Or not. Could also have been downloaded into the turk/JH !!! Anyways, never want to see this, not even think about it......too late.... ...need to puke ================== [Dreadfeather] I'm convinced that JH and Cameron did switch places, and now Cameron is inside the 'turk box'. But Jameron shippers don't lose hope, they can still attach the Cam body to the 'turk box' with a cable sticking out the back of Cameron's head, and they can make out in the Zeira Corp. basement. JC is going to hook up with Allison (the human template) If they hook up that shot- up creepy chassis that has been powered down for hours I think I'll puke. Give Cameron, the AI, some dignity by leaving her in the Turk with the three dots and one blue light. - Continue this in a thread. - Iranatest | Mahlzeit Neilrieck | |
| Iranatest | Catherine Weaver had plans for John Henry all along to go to another time. She and John had a long talk before James Ellison slept and came back with his coffee. They are now like minded as we saw. As John was prepared with the mythologies of the Toa and Dungeons and Dragons: to what time did this terminator that "is not very big but awfully shy" go? | |||
| Neilrieck | In epsiode 22, Cameron says "hasta luego" to the forgery woman. Does this carry any meaning other that to link us to the hispanic gang? | I'm gonna go with what Josh Friedman and Summer Glau said in the audio-commentary from the season one finale,What He Beheld": "Josh: "There are some people who think that you've given her the gun ah... so that she can kill herself; which we would never do to the Chola". Summer: No, I just want to protect her". Josh: "Yeah, she's your buddy". Summer: "I'm a girl". I think Cameron genuinely likes the Chola, hence why she gave her that pleasant goodbye and complimented her of the flawlessness of the fake passports (2x). I think she finds the Chola's calm, collected and silent attitude interesting to say the least. It was cute to see her trying to mimic the way the Chola was leaning up against the truck in a season one episode and another scene from that season where the Chola was doing Cameron's makeup for her. What I am curious about is whether or not the Chola knew right from the get-go that Cameron was a machine and if not, when did she come to that realization? She obviously knew in the season two finale. | BrandonLeigh | "What He Beheld" Season One audo-commentary track. |
| kelvynmann | Is the Chola a resistance fighter? Does she have some sort of agreement with Sarah? | |||
| Dreadfeather | How did Weaver repair the rather significant damage to Cromartie's head, after Cameron blew a gaping hole in it; as seen in episode "Mr. Ferguson is Ill Today."? | Being a more advanced machine, she no-doubt knows everything about the T-888's endoskeletal and organic structures. According to John Henry in, "the Good Wound", ZeiraCorp has 7% of the word's Coltan reserves so repairing the damage to him would have been easy for her to do. Don't forget; not only did she have to repair his endoskeleton; she also had to acquire replacement eyes (organic and cybernetic) and tissue to cover the missing flesh on his face and cranium as well. Like Cromartie, she has detailed information on the physiological and chemical compounds necessary to repair the T-888, however, I don't think she even had to supply any information to whomever repaired the T-888's damage. As for the human eye John Henry would have needed. Like Cromartie; Catherine Weaver has killed a lot of humans - plenty of eyes to go around ; ) p.s. When I say "she had to repair", I really mean to say probably someone like Mr. Merch. | BrandonLeigh | "This body contains a high-percentage of processed Tantalum-Niobium, commonly know as Coltan... In the last 16 months, ZeiraCorp has obtained control of 7% of the word's coltan reserves". John Henry - "the Good Wound" - "Skynet will use it as a key element in our endoskeletal alloy". Cameron - "Heavy Metal" - |
| RellikRTF | Who is Cameron in real life? | e uncredited German Shepard used in The Terminator (1984) supplied by Gary Gero's Birds and Animals Unlimited who was named after the owner of the construction company who built the kennels, Cameron Constructors Associates, James D Cameron. No relation to James FrancisCameron or Linda Hamilton-Cameron Summer Glau, the actress. | RellikRTF Iranatest | www.cameronconstructors.com |
| ALPER | In the last episode why the damaged eye of Cameron was red? It was blue before | Several possibilities: 1. Director's/Writer's change or goof, but this is doubtful. The T-X is the only other terminator model with blue eyes, which may have been an unwanted connection. 2. Cameron swapped with a spare. However, no previous damage suggests this ever happened. 3. The eye changed color due to severe damage in the scene or to reflect a combat mode. 4. This change stems from her damage in the car bomb from which she never fully recovered. 5. JH paints his figurine with blue eyes, while saying that they are the window to the soul. Later, when we see red eyes, it is a reminder that Cameron does not have a soul unlike Allison, whom John sees in the future by the S2 finale end. 6. Cameron has full control of the eye color and just chose red. Remember, she's special. 7. One or more above. | TerminatorsOnly | Much help answering this from the wiki thread. |
| TerminatorFan33 | How come Cameron's body did not go through the time travel jump with CW and JC? I thought since Cameron's body still surrounded with tissue it would go through? The decapitated Head of the terminator in S1 went through why not her? | The theory is Cameron's chassis/body was "dead". Her chip was in John Henry. The time machine did not recognize the empty chassis/body as living, therefore it would not more transport that body than a case of military hardware. The chip was active in Cromartie's head and chassis/body when the time machine in 1999 first engaged Cromartie. Sarah blew the head off during the time transport. | Iranatest | |
| hk_wiky | In S2 E22 when JC decides to jump forwards, why would SC let him go with the T1000? She cannot protect him if she is not there and the future is a dangerous place! Unlikely she would trust the T1k? Not clear why she would then let JC out of her sight... | Good question - maybe she was in shock like 3 million viewers. She let him choose. Also, Weaver told her John Connor and John Henry would team up to beat Skynet, so JC needed to go to JH. | Iranatest termi-ninja-tor | |
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| mannymore | Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01 | 12 | Jul 5 2009, 7:09 PM EDT by TOK792 | ||
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In this episode when Cameron is pinned between the trucks & utters those words "I love you & you love me" ..Is this just her trying at "anything" to get free to kill JC.?
Alternatively could it show she had knowledge of a "relationship" with JC in the future if so, was it as Cameron or as Alison's memories surfacing ? I can't find any evidence to prove it as, in "Alison from Palmdale" she appears to not know JC at all when he tries to take from the hostel. The "Alison" memories are very vivid & sparked by things seen around her. Why did she not know JC when she saw him? Later in the series Cameron talks about JC being lonely in the future & how they talk a lot. so, does that dis-prove Alison was ever his love interest? With the time jump at the end of Season 2 Alison could well now come into play as JC is now looking about her age & is unknown . Could this have lead to showing the creation of Cameron by Skynet( I forget the date she said she was created) , giving a full circle explanation of the series story. Any thoughts ? |
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| ThunderSoul97 | Is this series going the wrong way? (page: 1 2) | 23 | Jun 26 2009, 12:48 AM EDT by Iranatest | ||
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Hey guys, I'm wondering what you think of the last moments of season 2's ending? If John and Sarah were alone in the same room, and John was in a time machine bubble, Sarah would either clutch to him or pull him out of there. Now imagine there is a liquid terminator in that bubble, one that was called a "bitch" by Sarah, one that Sarah doesn't know (recall that Sarah hates machines and doesn't trust them), and John is standing in the bubble with that liquid terminator. Now, wouldn't Sarah pull out every gun she had and shoot at the terminator and pull her son out of the bubble, or would she back away like a scared rat saying "no, no, no"? I mean, even in the episode, the agent kept saying these 2 are inseparable. Yet in the biggest moment where they shouldn't be separated, Sarah backs out and lets John go alone with a stranger liquid terminator... I think this is too much of a bullshit to save the show? They are tainting the very foundations of the original Terminator movies. Not to mention that no matter what, John is the leader of the Resistance, which no body even knows about him at the end of season 2...
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| billthakat | How does Kyle Reese get the picture of Sarah Connor? | 13 | May 14 2009, 3:25 PM EDT by Dr._Allison_Cameron | ||
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In the first Terminator movie, Kyle memorized a picture of Sarah which he later used to identify her when on his rescue mission? If John jumped over J-Day, how does Kyle get this pic?
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