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| zeiracorp | Great Suggestions for TSCC!! | 1 | Jun 2 2009, 4:39 PM EDT by draconisz | ||||
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Thread started: May 27 2009, 3:57 PM EDT
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Let's try to get them to make at least one direct-to-video season for TSCC! Since they refuse to give it to us on tv (friggin Fox), let's try to get new seasons on dvd! Fans need a proper series finale! OR maybe it can be made into an online show. or try to get another station to pick it up. When Firefly was cancelled, they made Serenity because the dvd was so popular. TSCC won't become a movie, but maybe we can at least get new seasons on dvd or online!!! Don't give up on the show!!!! Let's all do our best to bring it back! I myself am trying to post everywhere, leaving comments and feedback. I just wish I knew how to get a hold of the actual people involved in making the show !>_<
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| billmillier | Really hoping for a third season :) | 4 | Apr 14 2009, 4:11 PM EDT by djpc450 | ||||
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Thread started: Apr 14 2009, 1:56 PM EDT
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The season opener was without a doubt one of the greatest episodes to date, resembling a coming of age sort of deal, John finally stood up to his mother, he reactivated Cameron against everyone's wishes, knowing he was right. Confidence, a common trade among leaders. Then, just for a while, it kind of got slower and some of the respective behaviors were out of character, at least according to what has been established. I believe both the jesse and riley stories were premature at this point, especially the former. But i have to admit each actress played her part more than convincingly, great casting choices. Without becoming or being label as another ' Jameron ' lover, I personally think this season should have been focused in character development, and solidifying the bond between john and cameron, in a non-romantic way, much like the first one. That being said, all the others 'arcs' where amazing, The AI, Derek Reese, Charlie Dixon, miss Catherine "liquid metal terminator" Weaver, the future scenes, it even ended in a high note with the time-travel twist. If -God forbids- the series isn't renewed, it definively deserves a proper farewell, maybe a couple of telemovies or something to provide closure for the fans. I haven't given up hope for a much needed third season yet, let's hope FOX could be able to recognize a gem when its standing right in front of them. Thank you for all the hard work. Tip: ¿How about making future John himself travel back in time next time?
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| Ghost63368 | Possible characters for the story line | 1 | Mar 25 2009, 9:56 AM EDT by KrelleK | ||||
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Thread started: Mar 1 2009, 10:42 AM EST
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John and Cameron along with Sarah and Derek meet all kinds of temporary friends. Some are out to hinder some are out to help. I had thought that maybe the various friends could be listed here.
Weapons smith- New weapons for the group. Possibly someone from the future who knows how to make any weapon in any time. This would be someone who has Master class status and recognizes the various classes of Terminators. Armorer- Cam takes a course on how to repair existing weapons. She provides support for the group in weapons maintenance. Tactics-Someone from Sarah's past who can teach terrain and tactics to the future leader. Not necessarily how to make the terrain work against someone else but perhaps how to recognize the various terrain and uses for them. Banker-Someone or something that allows John and Cameron, Sarah and Derek, to live in our present time. Money doesn't grow on trees and trying to live without cash can be problematic for the group. Moving about a lot does cost something.
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| Web_Of_Hair | Local Advertiser, TSCC brought new customers | 9 | Mar 11 2009, 12:12 AM EDT by Web_Of_Hair | ||||
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Thread started: Mar 10 2009, 9:04 PM EDT
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Not only am I a fan of TSCC I am also a local advertiser on Fox Affiliate WUPW Toledo. This last Friday I was able to have a spot during the show. Saturday brought in about a dozen new customers. I love show and want to see a Season 3.
I know I posted before about being a local advertiser, if it didn't work and didn't get new customers I wouldn't waste my stores advertising budget on the show. The more some of these stories finally get unraveled makes me more anxious to see the next episode.
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| LiquidMetal | Two dead birds, one broken robot. | 1 | Mar 10 2009, 3:18 PM EDT by Stampguy17 | ||||
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Thread started: Mar 10 2009, 2:56 PM EDT
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Hadley has posted an update on the Writers Blog at
http://www.fox.com/blogs/terminator/
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| daviroo | Wondercon spoiler reel on writers blog (page: 1 2) | 31 | Mar 4 2009, 12:38 AM EST by yeshermione | ||||
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Thread started: Mar 3 2009, 1:46 PM EST
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Not right now. But soon according to this entry. http://www.fox.com/blogs/terminator/2009/03/03/an-interruption/
I think everyone will be pretty excited to see this one!!! Edit: It's up now. Go watch. http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/
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| HowardNH | How about a Swiminator | 4 | Mar 1 2009, 10:50 AM EST by Ghost63368 | ||||
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who says terminator’s can’t swim!
Swiminator! ''There is nobody in our sport that can win like he wins,'' U.S. head coach Eddie Reese said. ''He is not just winning, he is crunching world records.'' ** notice the name Reese! British swimmer Simon Burnett provided his theory to Reese when they ran into each other in the cafeteria. ''He was saying to me, 'I think I've figured out Michael Phelps. He is not from another planet; he is from the future. His father made him and made a time machine. Sixty years from now he is an average swimmer, but he has come back here to mop up.''' sounds like a story line to me! Have fun with it. Looking forward to the new season. Howard Please remember where the idea came from. quote source: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080813/SPORTS14/570628114
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| tx5104n | Suggestions To Improve The Show (page: 1 2 3 4 5 ... last page) | 105 | Feb 26 2009, 11:22 AM EST by KevinInScotland | ||||
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Thread started: Oct 13 2008, 11:20 AM EDT
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The show needs to be darker!
As some of you may know, the original Terminator movies were conceived from an idea James Cameron had after a nightmare about an invisible robotic assassin sent from the future to kill him. I strongly believe the nightmare was an important contributer to Cameron's 'vision' of the story - it made him a part of it. The non-Cameron Terminators seem almost fluffy in comparison. These new directors don't give me the feeling that the world is going to end. Don't get me wrong, I love the series! It is entertaining and the stories are intriguing. However, you should change some stuff to bring back the feeling I so desperately long for - fear of an impending demise. Here's how you could do that: 1. Use cooler, blue tones in most shots, yellowish-green hues in desert and outdoor scenes with direct sunlight, lower the saturation a bit and increase contrast. The scenes are too colorful and bright, which makes me feel happy. I don't want a world with terminators in it to make me feel happy. 2. Don't make the product placement of the truck so obvious. I mean, seriously? 3. Make me emotionally invested in in at least one of the people dying. The only characters to die have been underdeveloped. 4. Sarah should be influenced more by the events in the movies. 5. Cameron should be more threatening and tactful, even while malfunctioning. 6, Stop using that cheesy slow-motion effect. The picture gets too choppy and is actually drawing attention away from the subject matter rather than emphasizing it. 7. The T-1000's morphing is too smooth and bright (It looks cheap). As I mentioned, the show is fine the way it is, and I will continue watching. Nevertheless, changing a few minor things to make the show darker would most definitely increase viewer engrossment and appeal to a larger, more mature audience. Samuel R. Sloan
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| logansean | The Case for John and Cameron's Relationship (page: 1 2 3 4 5 ... last page) | 570 | Feb 17 2009, 11:13 PM EST by sad_panda | ||||
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Thread started: Oct 20 2008, 10:44 AM EDT
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I'm not "in the tank" for a John-Cameron relationship, but I think the Terminator mythos supports moving the story in that direction. I came to this conclusion after watching Terminator 2 last night. There is a scene in which Sarah observes John and "Uncle Bob" interacting and concludes the following:
SARAH (V.O.) Watching John with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The Terminator would never stop, it would never leave him... it would always be there. And it would never hurt him, never shout at him or get drunk and hit him, or say it couldn't spend time with him because it was too busy. And it would die to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice. The same conclusion applies in TSSC: in an insane world, Cameron is the sanest choice. Getting involved with a real girl puts humanity at risk because she becomes John's achilles heel. Given that the fate of mankind hangs in the balance, the stakes are too high. It is also unethical for John to endanger another person for his own emotional satisfaction. Getting involved with Riley is issuing her death sentence. If John is mankind's savior, then his life is a sacrifice. He cannot have the experiences that we take for granted. He can't date whomever he pleases without consequence. He cannot be normal. John's relationship w/ Riley should drive this point home . Riley should be increasingly endangered as she gets closer to John. He should realize that he has no right to do this to her, or anyone. If John is going to be a hero, he has to understand the full burden it entails. I hope the story goes in this direction.
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| tx5104n | How About Some Ideas? | 15 | Jan 27 2009, 11:34 AM EST by Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs | ||||
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Thread started: Jan 5 2009, 5:45 AM EST
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Respond to this this thread with some unique ideas for the show. Perhaps the writers will see something they could use. :)
My ideas: 1. Creepy-crawly terminators. These terminators are used mostly for stealth missions and data gathering, but can also be used as bombs to take out bridges, vehicles, and anything else they can latch onto. Imagine a large robotic centipede or spider that can latch onto a person's body and then explode (bye-bye head)! I think smaller terminators could be just as scary as large ones. These terminators could also be fired from specially-designed guns. 2. Aquatic Terminators. Used for warfare in or on water, these eel-like terminators can move through the water faster than you can say, "Skippy, there be trouble." Their quick and agile maneuverability in the water makes these terminators perfect for locating or planting mines or tracking human marine activity. They can also take out small boats in a similar fashion as the insect terminators (see previous idea). 3. Perhaps Sarah never contracts cancer and dies. It could all be a cover to protect herself and to ensure John's survival. She could play a more important role in the survival of mankind than what we have been led to believe. Okay, so those are my ideas. Now let's hear some of yours! Remember, this isn't a critique. Don't comment on other people's ideas. Just contribute your own. Have fun, and use your imagination.
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| sanescience | Yeay for good writing. Time is hard to get right. (page: 1 2) | 22 | Jan 19 2009, 7:15 PM EST by sanescience | ||||
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As a science enthusiast writer wannabe I always appreciate writing that tries to at least get general science principles correct and not stray into complete science fantasy. Yes, yes, purists object to time travel in general. But it does make for fun stories and thought experiments.
The best model that has a chance at not completely blowing logic to pieces is the Endless Quantum Realities (EQR) idea. Or that time travel actually represents a kind of lateral movement into realities that seem the same but that have progressed temporally at a different rate than our own (slower for the past, faster for the future). This makes "sense" because a whole range of causality paradox issues are no longer problems. Anything you do does not effect your memory (or existence) as the reality of your origin remains unchanged. If you were to kill your mother, it just prevents a "version" of you in that reality from existing, And within any given reality the past is stable and does not morph before an observers eyes. I.e. no parts of photographs fading in or out of existence. Also, you can meet versions of yourself or others from realities that do not match your own memories. And information developed from one reality can be brought to another reality and used to construct what appears to be the origin of that object (an apparent paradox but not actually.) It also supports the "no fate" assertion that might otherwise seem contradicted by a future that has "already happened". However, there is a kind of zen problem in EQR for certain types of characters. The realization that if your trying to prevent something from happening all your really doing is changing how one of an infinite number of realities might play out. It also presents an interesting question about what a machine that understands EQR is trying to accomplish by traveling back in time. More later, out of charac
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| Nicromonger | hey guys help me out abit (page: 1 2) | 24 | Jan 5 2009, 2:30 PM EST by sanescience | ||||
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Hey guys help me out here I’ve always wondered about this:
Lets say if you are in the future and you go back and fix the past like what Sarah and johns doing , the future must change right? So if john destroy the program that started everything then there wont be any Cameron or terminator and maybe there wont even be a time machine , then we can say john would never exist right? …. The shows really great but I keep on wondering about that ,, lets say the “ turk program” don’t get destroyed in time I think that’s the case right now, ,correct me if im wrong ok . but then there must still be something in place to update john on his mission and objectives Either there must be some1 that goes back and from the future to update him or maybe Cameron has a “comm. System in place to receive messages from the future something like that I haven’t watch the second season yet bc im stuck in a third world at the moment so maybe my answers awaits me in the second season ? Also u can actually say that this show can interlink with the matrix ….am I wrong to think like that? Ohh yes and before I forget ! we all know the robots soul purpose is to destroy the human being because they are competing against us for “first price” …. So why will they only copy human forms to achieve their mission ? if I where the master mind behind the robots I would make little robots that look like rats to spy on the humans in their bunkers , I would make birds and send them back to the past to check out on its mistakes ex if those robots are so advance to upgrade themselves the whole time why can’t they make a deadly gas an pump it into the atmosphere to destroy all humans ? I think the “game concept “ in the show is very interesting and it should be brought in more , I mean winning and losing making better moves than the previous move that’s what it is all about I think ?
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| billmillier | Just to Clarify | 2 | Dec 9 2008, 2:36 PM EST by billmillier | ||||
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First, I admit I came to that conclusion by myself, and i also find some of the approach theories discussed here quite interesting. Though im still not sure if a relationship between John & Cameron is such a great idea this early in the series, i wouldn't dismiss the potential story development that could evolve by taking that direction (i'd pay good money to see Sarah's face when she finds out her son is (censored) the machine, hehe, sorry couldn't help it). I feel I should clarify that my point wasn't exactly to enfasize the debate over whether Cameron is self-aware or not, but instead, to explore the reaction other members of the group would have based on this unexpected and unforeseen new development, after all you almost can blindely trust a machine -to a point and when its not misbehaving due to a chip malfunction anyway- but how would them react to basically having another 'nearly-human' around, taking into consideration Cameron's abilities and a well known hidden agenda?. Besides, im convinced that present John refuses to completely 'bond' with Cameron because he sees her as a sofisticated computer (looks notwithstanding), and pursuing something more could be seen as freaky, but hey, if she can really feel then... And, maybe, if you wanna turn back the clock, at the end of the episode -As a twist- you could explain it was all an internal VR simulation cameron was conducting to explore an escenario where she tells everyone the truth allowing her to ponder wheter is a good strategic move or not for them to find who she really is.
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| billmillier | Cameron's Conscious Choice | 13 | Dec 6 2008, 11:04 AM EST by LarryDAB | ||||
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Allow me to make this humble attempt to contribute to this great show. What if, an unforceable development provides a new dimension to the story by changing the basis of one character. Cameron, so far everyone thinks she acts the way she does based on john's future reprogramming, after all, in the season premiere we all watched how she turned 'bad' as a result of the carbomb explotion causing her to malfunction, then went back into protector mode once replugged the chip supposedly fix by john's expertise. But, how about this, for some reason yet to be determine, they need to 'connect' Cameron's eyesight to a laptop, she refuses but john does it anyway without her knowing, inbetween the mission, Cameron looks directly at john and everyones sees the 'terminate' command flashing in red, meaning she was in fact never repaired. They panic and she leaves without saying a word, then during the entire episode, one by one, she kidnaps each of the main characters and tie them in a warehouse. Defenseless they all look at each other fearing the end is near only to be surprised again by a purposely missed gunshot directed at john's head, followed by some statement clarifying that if she wanted to kill John or any of them, this was the perfect chance. She had to do it this way, otherwise none of them would ever believe even if her basic programming tells her to eliminate the future leader of the resistance, she decides not to. Cameron is not longer 'just'a machine, she has became self-aware and since then, she makes her own decisions. So, how they will treat her now that they know they are dealing with an -at least in appearance- sentient being who conscientiously chooses not to 'terminate' john for reasons they don't understand, yet. Worst of all, could her unexplained newly found self-awareness have something to do or even be the prelude to skynet?.
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| jazzbychas | Catherine Weaver (Shirley Manson) | 11 | Nov 23 2008, 4:12 PM EST by jazzbychas | ||||
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In the Wikipedia article on T:SCC, the Catherine Weaver charater is portrayed thus:
Weaver is a shape-shifting Terminator disguised as the CEO of a high-tech corporation called ZeiraCorp. A model T-1001, her liquid metal form as she changes shape resembles that of the T-1000 seen in Terminator 2, but it is not yet known how her model differs from that one.[25] She is focused on developing artificial intelligence using The Turk, the intuitive computer believed to be a precursor to Skynet, and targets other terminators in order to reverse engineer Skynet technology in the present. I'm not sure if I am reading this right, but that would seem to be making SKYNet (literally) her own baby, for her own use, and not necessarily to destroy humanity.
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| HealingMindN | JC's character: Leader or Follower? | 12 | Nov 12 2008, 3:55 PM EST by HealingMindN | ||||
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John is supposed to be the future leader of the resistance. The way you're writing him is not in line with the role of being a leader.
I'm sure that I'm the only one on this board saying this and others will disagree, but you're writing John like any other unruly, rebellious teenager. I completely understand that his circumstances dictate a bit of unruliness and rebellion. His heart is probably heavy after his mortal combat. I understand that he maybe feeling dejected by Cam when she said he couldn't be trusted. John is supposed to have leadership qualities. He's supposed to be willing to deal with his situation with the most successful attitude possible rather than find ways to escape from it. He's supposed to be willing sacrifice the "regular" life that most teenagers his age would have. Instead, you're writing his character to be like most teenagers - which is not conducive to leadership. Leaders are few. Followers are many. I understand that you want to appeal to the teenagers who are watching this show, but there is also a subset of teenagers who are willing to work through difficult times and demonstrate sacrifice for the greater good. Have you ever thought that appealing to a disciplined mentality might boost the ratings? You shouldn't be trying to fool the teenagers watching TSCC that a lack of discipline as a teenager somehow leads to leadership qualities. That's not real. John is supposed to have the clear goal of becoming an expert at Skynet and Terminator technology. Cam is supposed to be his muse and his teacher. The T2 John knew that the future isn't set. The TSCC John seems to want to get away from his future. What kind of example is that to set for all the teens watching TSCC? Thanks in advance.
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| nyccine | Could we forget about the writing on the wall? | 8 | Nov 8 2008, 7:36 AM EST by nyccine | ||||
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To start, I love what the writing staff and cast have been able to do with the concept; it would certainly have been all too easy to simply take the easy route and load up on explosions and eye candy, watch the ratings take off for about a year, and rake in the cash. It is a tribute to all of you that you have resisted that, and managed to craft an intelligent, worthwhile show, one of the greatest dramas that I have seen on television in years, if not ever. Were I fantabulously wealthy, I would pay to keep you on the air myself.
Yet sometimes you stumble, and this was a doozy. The plot for Season 2 is written on the wall in blood by a Resistance "redshirt" who lives to do nothing but this? C'mon, this is flat-out lazy storytelling, a blatant violation of "show, don't tell." What makes it worse is that you got this *right* in Season 1; Sarah and company are turned on to the Turk by reviewing the documents found in the safehouse, and it's a clever bit that takes an all of about a minute (if that) to get across; these fighters were profiling possible leads, many of them false, before finding Andy Goode, and now the heroes can use that information to track down the Turk and its maker. It made sense, and added a sense of realism. It isn't even like any of the plot points involved so far would have been difficult to integrate in a sensible fashion: take the power plant. Power plant problems, particularly nuclear ones, are instant news; Cam and Derek already know about its importance in the future, so just have them catch the news about a recent failure there, do a quick bit of exposition, and we're off. Same with Marty Bedell; you've already conceded that the search was a throwback to T1, so just run with that. Derek hears about a couple of Bedells getting offed, explains his importance, and everyone starts trying to find the right Marty to save.
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| pagaman | Thoughts on another Cameron.... | 1 | Nov 3 2008, 2:04 PM EST by Eten | ||||
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Obviously Cameron is supposed to infiltrate the resistance by using her female charms to a certain degree :)
But it occurred to me that the resistance would have women in it (if not, then thats that for the human race!). So wouldn't there be a male equivalent to Cameron? I know most of the terminators shown are men. But they seem to mostly impersonate big muscled resistance fighters. If I was skynet, and I wanted to get to John, what better way then to have a David Tenant type figure, try to seduce Sarah? Also the lack of muscles on the guy would probably help, Sarah would probably be fairly paranoid when seeing an Arnie style figure out and about...
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| Terminatorfan101 | Cromartie is NOT a perfect infiltrator | 2 | Oct 28 2008, 3:39 PM EDT by Birdman117 | ||||
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In the begining of the first seson, you had a story mostly based on finding the turk and get away from Cromartie. the story about the Turk you`ve done great in involving the 1001 to secure the "birth" of Skynet.
But we whant to see Cromartie more. to see that they are not safe because that Terminator is out there. it dosn´t have to be a whole episode about Cromartie, but just let us see him prepareing for something he is planning in the future. Peronally i´m interested in seeing hm interact with the people around him, like neighbors and just ordnary citizens. and perhaps make him misunderstand something showing that he is not a perfect infiltrator because he has glitches. just my thoughts, othervise i think the series great! : )
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| jiapache | An alternate John Conor? | 17 | Oct 22 2008, 12:28 AM EDT by GWHH76 | ||||
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What if the John Conor we know was never supposed to exist? Waht if Klye Reese was never supposed to be Jihns father but someone else? Klye said in T1 that the war had ended and the resistance had won. well in T2, T3 this show, and T4, the war is still going strong.
That makes me wonder that by messing with the future and fathering John Conor, Kyle Reese prevented the real John Conor from being born. the original John Conor was a leader whom everybody respected and trusted, the John Conor we know now is someone who even his trusted friends don't know his true intentions. the original John has won the war, this John is making friends with the enemy. what thier is a resistance fighter out thier who came back with Kyle? ( read somewhere the in the original T1 story board that there was a 2nd RF who came back wit kly but he died right away.) this RF could have appeared on the other side of the world and it has taken him 14 years to find the Conors. He knows and truts the original John and he deems this John and imposter who will destroy the reistance. and hence the Conors will be pitted against Terminators and resistance fighter loyal to the Original John Conor. what do you all think?
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