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Kyle_Reese |
40. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series
Feb 8 2008, 6:01 PM EST
"As a (surprisingly) few of you have said, T3 is not really "canon" at all and it appears that part of the agenda of SCC is to write it out of the story.For some reason I can't fathom (considering how generally disliked T3 is ) a large percentage of posters ignore the stated intentions of the show's creators and continue to attempt to shoe horn T3 into the same continuity as T:SCC; the old saying that you can lead a horse to water... springs to mind. John could well meet a potential future spouse somewhere down the line, who may or may not be named Kate Brewster depending on copyright and licensing issues. I'm hoping that any relationship between Cameron and John, beyond a comrades in arms one, is of the brief one sided crush variety (can't imagine young Mr. Connor has had a very active love life up to this point ) Cameron might actually steer him toward someone he's "meant" to be with, better than the love lorn android cliche. And I'm totally with you on killing the "Skynet is just software" angle, that idea sucked worse than a black hole on steroids. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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41. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series
Feb 8 2008, 6:52 PM EST
"For some reason I can't fathom (considering how generally disliked T3 is ) a large percentage of posters ignore the stated intentions of the show's creators and continue to attempt to shoe horn T3 into the same continuity as T:SCC; the old saying that you can lead a horse to water... springs to mind.Good points all, Kyle_Reese. I'm with you on the "tragic love" angle. This would be the most satisfying of resolutions to the romance "problem." Having John pine (achingly so) for Cameron would be intensely cool. Ultimately, Cameron may be unable to "love" John properly, both emotionally and physically, and the pain both of them may feel about the unrequited love will make for good drama. Yes, I also wondered about the obsession with shoehorning every single piece of canon into one complete whole. If you're watching SCC, remember, T3 does NOT exist. This is straight from the mouth of the producer Josh Friedman! 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
gogobarry |
42. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series
Feb 8 2008, 9:54 PM EST
"How I want the series to end:That's a very beautiful, poignant and non cop-out way to end it. I can see the scene already. Way to go HF08 :D If cameron can eat, who's to say she can't shed a tear (albeit a precious single one?) My hope is that they round the story off nicely on Judgment day (effectively doing away with T3). I also hope the writers go easy on the John-Cameron thing. A hint of romance of the Mulder-scully type would be best! If we're journeying to Judgment day by way of the TV medium, let there be lots of character development, expansion of the mythology, and plenty of explosions! 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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43. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series en
Feb 14 2008, 5:08 PM EST
Present timeThe plan to stop Skynet/the Turk is a success. Cromartie is stopped and destroyed. John and Cameron could finally live happy, but all the soldiers from the future (Derek and “friends”) want Cameron to be destroyed too. Cameron is afraid and doesn’t want to die: she’s self-awareness! John doesn’t want to loose her, but one day she kills a soldier to save herself. John and Cameron rush off, but the soldiers (who don’t know John is helping her) are too smart; therefore Cameron implores John to leave her alone. John accepts and they kiss each other (this is the “hottest” scene between Cameron and John). Meanwhile the soldiers are recruiting mercenaries (of our time) to find Cameron. This is the end of the present time story. 2027 John and a group of soldiers are entering an extreme well protected (by terminators) building. So Judgment Day was just postponed?!? A lot of soldiers are killed and a lot of terminators are destroyed. The human group is ever smaller: 20, 10, 7, 5, 3, 2. The last soldier and John are attacked by a big terminator, John has a sort of electromagnetic bomb and can easily defeat the terminator , but the soldier is mortally wounded. The soldier wants John to continue and tells John that he’s good (but he’s lying and he dies). John arrives in front of a huge door. The door opens. Is this Skynet? John is ready to shoot, but… Cameron is sitting in the middle of the room. Cables from the entire room are connected to her head. Is she Skynet? The End. Last part, after the break. :o) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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44. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series en
Feb 14 2008, 5:08 PM EST
Present timeThis forum starts a “4000 posts” thread with the subject “Is Cameron Skynet?” Somebody thinks Cameron is Skynet, somebody thinks she’s just a part of Skynet, somebody thinks she was captured by Skynet, … Another thread is written, and the subject is “Will John kill Cameron?”. Somebody thinks a new paradox is born: Cameron could have her memory erased and will be sent back to the past. Cameron can not be recognized by others terminators, because she is not a creature of Skynet. And the new paradox is… Cameron is never born! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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45. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series en
Feb 14 2008, 8:25 PM EST
I personally like the idea that Cameron is sacrificed to save John, but I think it would have more impact if she and John have fallen in love. If John accepts Cameron as a human being, it would make her dying have a bittersweet flavor to it. It would be similar to what happened to John with the Terminator in T2, but with hints of Sarah and Kyle Reese at the same time. Sarah and Kyle fell in love, but Kyle was sacrificed to save Sarah, and she went on to become a major bad ass. John and Cameron fall in love, but Cameron is sacrificed to save John, and he goes on to become a major bad ass.It might actually be pretty cool to see Judgment Day happen in the show, but then follow John long enough afterwards to see him rise up as the hero of the freedom fighters. In any case though, I think that stopping Judgment Day is a lost cause, because if John succeeded in doing that, he would in theory cease to exist. He really is a result of Skynet, and if Skynet is prevented, so is John Connor. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
46. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series en
Feb 14 2008, 9:03 PM EST
I think it would be cool if they --THIS TIME-- not tie it into a movie and make this series its own universe. In the end Cameron and John love each other and it's not John that kills Skynet (he's down for the count and injured seriously), but Cameron. She has chosen, with free will, that Skynet is anethema to life and the human experience she now enjoys and destroys it even though Skynet is her... mother. Machine kills machine after an epic struggle... perhaps she plugs into its conciousness and does cyber battle with it. Maybe Skynet tries to tempt her somehow, but she finally breaks through. Having Cameron sacrifice herself is too much like T2. Having her the hero and not John or Sarah, also leaves things on an upbeat and hopeful note like what James Cameron wanted all along. Sarah is a protective mother to John. She created John and would do anything to keep him safe. Cameron is the "daughter" of Skynet and Skynet only cares for its machine brood and not humans, but Cameron has made the tough choice to kill her creator for love and life for herself. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Tmodel101 |
47. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series end?
Feb 15 2008, 1:53 AM EST
i say go as far as u need as long as EVERY SINGLE terminator fan is pleased at the end!!!! (Note i think the fan story of how t-800 and T-1000 gets to the past is good maybe even use in some sort of way).
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48. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series end?
Feb 15 2008, 2:11 AM EST
I think it should end leading into T3.
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49. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series end?
Feb 15 2008, 3:41 AM EST
I'll do my idea one better:Sarah sacrifices herself for ... get this... Cameron. She becomes worthy of life in Sarah's eyes enough to die for her survival. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Rapturous |
50. How should the terminator series end?
Feb 15 2008, 10:36 AM EST
They say that this series contains a link to Terminator Salvation.If we take this to mean they occur in the same timeline, then we already know how the series ends; they fail to stop Skynet. I hope that's not they mean. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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51. How should the terminator series end
Feb 15 2008, 4:19 PM EST
Writers have already created another 'timeline'. In "Terminator 3" John states that he hasn't seen a terminator since the events from "Terminator 2". The only ways the series can end are:-Creating some sort temporal paradox reversing all events taking place in the series. -Death of main characters -Another version of Judgment Day - different from the one in "Terminator 3" -Sarah and John defeat terminators and live happy and ever after, like here: http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=Cig1x3ZOxAU 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Ed_Grund |
52. RE: How should the terminator series end
Feb 15 2008, 5:45 PM EST
I bet they will, at the end , not destroy the mashine. they will have a peace with them. im pretty sure about that. skynet is a computer - it will have to realize one day that it cant win - and the humans wont sacrifice all of their kind because they are already nerly extinkt. it will be an uneasy peace - one that can result into new fighting in the future. destroying skynet will end the series once and for all - they cant go with the "judgmentday was just delayed" thing forever. making peace is the only way. to have an open end. or they will invent some circumstances that disable both faktions for a period of time - or a temporary win. hoever - this might sond a bit boring. but its just an arc of the story - its what happens between now and then - thats what this series is about. again, i bet cameron is send from skynet - a part of skynet that beginns to realize that its better to join with what u cant beat - an it fights against other parts of skynet. maybe well se the terminators splintering into own faktions over time. skynet is at war with itself - thats why cameron is there - skynet realizes that its linked to john - without skynet no war and resistance - without resistens no john - without john not terminators in 1984 etc - without terminators no skynet. skynet struggles between the calculating part wich sees humans as a threat, and the sentient part wich relizes that there is more. skynet realizes that its only use is destruction - without humans it has no purpose. no war is won because of total destruction of the enemy. humans wont be able to destroy all of them - mashines cant ultimatly terminate their purpose of existens. ed:) 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Ed_Grund |
53. RE: How should the terminator series end
Feb 15 2008, 5:53 PM EST
sorry for doubleposting but i had a thought after rethinking my post. what if the terminators will rebel some time in the future and skynet tries to ally with the humans through cameron not to be destroyed by its own creation? would be a double paradoy - humans create skynet - skynet rebels aginst humans and creates terminators to annihilate humans - terminators will once become fuly sentient and beginn to rebell against skynet - skynet tries to ally with humans to survive. that would be a completet arc - creating 3 faktions and leaving open possibilities. hope the writers wont let the series end like tthe movies - nothing gained , maincharacters dead - seemingly peacfull future. ed:) 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Rapturous |
54. RE: How should the terminator series end
Feb 15 2008, 6:08 PM EST
I completely agree. Going that route with the ending would make the entire series just a lengthened remake of Terminator 2.In addition, like someone else said, T1, T2, T3 and T4/Terminator Salvation should be their own universe, while T1, T2 and T:SCC make another. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
55. RE: How should the terminator series end
Feb 15 2008, 7:36 PM EST
I like the idea of T1, T2 and SCC being its own universe where it isn't fated for Skynet to win: whether that means Cameron destroys it or it learns through Cameron's experiences with human feelings to make some sort of mutually advantageous peace. Hell, there's enough pain and suffering in real life to always have a downbeat ending to make another movie for the franchise!! Perhaps get James Cameron to write an episode or two just to put his two cents worth in. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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56. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series en
Feb 15 2008, 11:23 PM EST
The Terminator series as a whole, or just this particular "what if" exercise? As a whole, just about anything could go in some rendition or another. In this series, I think there are two unique, respectful ways to end the series:Skynet being built despite the Connor's best efforts, and John teaching it that it can trust humans and doesn't need to destroy them even though they may pose a threat to its existence, indeed has a better chance of surviving if it doesn't attempt to. It would draw directly on John's long contact and attachment to machines, making him uniquely the only one in the world who could empathize with a newly born Skynet. Judgement Day happens anyway, but it wasn't caused by Skynet. Simple human stupidity, one way or another, leads to WW3 and we simply get there without a machine's assistance. John serves as a leader in uniting this world. The other two options are simple: they stop Judgement Day or they don't. Several of the above options could even be interwoven into the same story. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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hawaiianfan |
57. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series en
Feb 16 2008, 10:31 AM EST
You ever get the feeling that the "TERMINATOR" series may not even end?Think about it....they keep making movies about "BATMAN, SUPERMAN, SPIDERMAN, STAR WARS, even INDIANA JONES! They keep resurrecting old classics that we pretty much know the stories in and out... John Connor is considered a hero...and yet there is SOOOO much about him we still don't know about in the FUTURE! They can keep making movies and starting times lines here and there. I think my grandkids may be watching this francise in the future. They can't even come up with new songs these days, they have to keep reusing old one....same with movies, don't you think? 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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58. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series en
Feb 16 2008, 1:20 PM EST
here's how I see how the series ties in with t3: Cameron is an earlier model of the tx, but had her memory wiped and sent back by future John to be a protector and companion for his younger self. However, Just before she is killed; she hypnotizes john to forget she was even around during that time. But before then, she falls in loves with John and they mate. She later gives birth to a baby girl, who would later conceive and give birth to Kyle Reese. The baby is then given up for adoption, and we then see how Kyle grew up the way he did....
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59. RE: This is a question to the fans.How should the terminator series en
Feb 17 2008, 1:00 PM EST
I think any feelings John may hold towards Cameron should be kept to that of what one would have for a pet at best. Yeah he cares about her, because she's there to protect him but, it's like she's his brother and there's no real feelings of romantic love there. They need to include more action in it if they're going to keep my interest in it much longer. Terminator is about action, not drama.
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