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Xenomorphine
20. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 5 2008, 4:51 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2008, 4:51 PM EST
"Coltan is a very essential metal in the creating of capacitors(something I didn't know) so I believe it isn't about it being a bar so early. More likely she is human. What? My reasoning is that her showing greed(taking it for herself rather than letting it fall into the sea) is a showing of her humanness."
She's a Terminator. Not sure why you thought she was a human. :)

It's not a sign of humanity. Just pragmatism. It isn't like they're trying to wipe out the entire world's supply of the stuff, just prevent it being stockpiled in a designated location.
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LadyTerm
LadyTerm
21. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 5 2008, 6:50 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2008, 6:50 PM EST
" if you argue the chicken and the egg theory then by destroying skynet john will never be born because reese would not have been sent back."
This makes since to me. Reese would not be sent back if Skynet were destroyed, TRUE. But, if all terminators are transformed into Cameron style terminators...the future would be totally different, BY THE WAY...I believe Sarah is going to live to see the future and Judgement Day, but she will create Cameron in the future after her own psyche.
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Pyus
Pyus
22. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 5 2008, 8:06 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2008, 8:06 PM EST
well they say this show will tie into the new movies set in the future, perhaps we see cameron by johns side as his chief advisor in fighting the machines. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

superbovine
23. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 5 2008, 8:37 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2008, 8:37 PM EST
"She's a Terminator. Not sure why you thought she was a human. :)

It's not a sign of humanity. Just pragmatism. It isn't like they're trying to wipe out the entire world's supply of the stuff, just prevent it being stockpiled in a designated location."
It is a common literary theme in scifi to humanize robotic/machine characters. I believe the writers are following along in the same steps, hence the subtle touches they have added to Camerson's character. If she was just a Terminator the audience would not relate to her as they do.
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KiNgVooDooWiLLy
KiNgVooDooWiLLy
24. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 5 2008, 9:24 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2008, 9:24 PM EST
My take was (as I mentioned on an earlier thread) that Cameron looking at that single piece of Coltan was a deep moment to me. It seemed like Cameron was curious. Curious of her beginning. Curious of her birth. Examination of one's self... her self... as much as a learning computer can do at that point anyway.
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Xenomorphine
25. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 5 2008, 9:31 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 5 2008, 9:31 PM EST
"It is a common literary theme in scifi to humanize robotic/machine characters. I believe the writers are following along in the same steps, hence the subtle touches they have added to Camerson's character. If she was just a Terminator the audience would not relate to her as they do."
Of course they'd relate to her. They related to the original second film's saviour. :)
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BigKurz
26. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 12:09 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 12:09 AM EST
"She's a Terminator. Not sure why you thought she was a human. :)

It's not a sign of humanity. Just pragmatism. It isn't like they're trying to wipe out the entire world's supply of the stuff, just prevent it being stockpiled in a designated location."
Well first of all, I think the show has been trying to make it quite clear that she's not *just* a Terminator. Come on people--she ate a chip in the first episode and responded to John's question about "not being like the others" with "you're right." These things don't find their way into the show by accident. I don't think she's a human...but there is OBVIOUSLY something else going on here.

That being said, I think it is VERY likely because she might need to build herself-it really depends on what kind of time travel rules we're working with. Then again, the rules have changed time and time again, and have been messed up since T1.

And is that really enough coltan to create a whole terminator?
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Xenomorphine
27. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 1:13 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 1:13 AM EST
"Not like" the others could have applied to the T-1000 and T-X, too. And the oldest models could have been capable of eating food. We don't know.

Colten is merely a key component in the ALLOY needed to make Terminator frames. It's just one ingredient, that would be all. It might be less of 10% required for each of them. :)
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BigKurz
28. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 2:17 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 2:17 AM EST
""Not like" the others could have applied to the T-1000 and T-X, too. And the oldest models could have been capable of eating food. We don't know.

Colten is merely a key component in the ALLOY needed to make Terminator frames. It's just one ingredient, that would be all. It might be less of 10% required for each of them. :)"
I guess T-1000 and T-X weren't like the others either. But this seems different.

We would OBVIOUSLY know that she's a different model b/c she's a different size with a different "human mask" and thus far seems as strong/stronger than the other Terminator models with which she fights.

I don't wanna venture any more guesses as to what she might be because I think that's going to be a HUGE element to this show and that right now they're only dropping small hints. One could also note that she hasn't made any reference to having been caught and/or reprogrammed (Unless I missed it...). And as we remember, both "good" terminators from T2 and T3 have made a point of discussing how they came to be on the human's side.
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sarahconnorchronicle
sarahconnorchronicle
29. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 9:24 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 9:24 AM EST
My thought was she had to make sure she was created so that she won't pop out of existence. They shut the place down in the ep but she did say she had been built there so... that's my initial thought. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
TeeRacy
TeeRacy
30. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 10:04 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 10:04 AM EST
"My take was (as I mentioned on an earlier thread) that Cameron looking at that single piece of Coltan was a deep moment to me. It seemed like Cameron was curious. Curious of her beginning. Curious of her birth. Examination of one's self... her self... as much as a learning computer can do at that point anyway.
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Doesn't she already have knowledge of those facts... she knows where she was *born* and what her beginning is. I think it's a little early to start reading human emotions into her character, I find it difficult to believe her *moment* was as deep as yours.

As for the bar, I'm thinking that she's protecting herself, as mentioned *can't self terminate*. No matter what happens she has the coltan, ensuring her creation, whether it be by herself, Sarah, or John. She's got the basis of the skeletal material.
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T-0
31. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 10:17 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 10:17 AM EST
I think Cameron feels more than we can tell from watching her--it seems like she's better at feeling emotion than expressing it. Even if that's not so, she seems to have a kind of factual understanding that might as well be emotion--her comment to Sarah about life being meaningless without John is an example.

So I get the impression that Cameron keeping the coltan is basically a sentimental thing. The coltan is part of her past; it's where she came from; it's what she used to be.

Look at it as the computer equivalent of her baby pictures.
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Xenomorphine
32. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 1:45 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 1:45 PM EST
I highly doubt it's got anything to do with her creation. There's no reason for it to be. There's a HUGE supply of that stuff in the world, in general. It's just convenient to store a piece away, much closer to hand. Do you find this valuable?    

Xenomorphine
33. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 1:48 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 1:48 PM EST
"So I get the impression that Cameron keeping the coltan is basically a sentimental thing. The coltan is part of her past; it's where she came from; it's what she used to be.

Look at it as the computer equivalent of her baby pictures."
But why would a machine care about either of those things? She's a computer. The world, to her, is just a huge picture of many microcosmic ones, composed of ones and zeroes. She has no more reason to be sentimental, than she has any reason to be jealous, angry, lustful or anything else.
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Sully889
34. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 3:28 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 3:28 PM EST
I agree with the concept that she took the bar to repair herself incase of any damage she recieves in the future. I don't understand why else she would take the bar. I wonder if she has any information on metalurgy. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
jasonosborne79
jasonosborne79
35. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 3:40 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 3:40 PM EST
"But why would a machine care about either of those things? She's a computer. The world, to her, is just a huge picture of many microcosmic ones, composed of ones and zeroes. She has no more reason to be sentimental, than she has any reason to be jealous, angry, lustful or anything else."
I'm not so sure about that. I could see the T-1000 seeing the world that way, but I'm not so sure about Cameron. We see an HUD, but not the person viewing it.
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sidspappy
sidspappy
36. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 5:15 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 5:15 PM EST
I'm starting to believe the "deep" moment theory here. I rewatched it last night, and Cameron had a definite contemplative, fascinated look on her face while she stared at the coltan. This coincided with Sarah's voiceover about control over what we create (golem story). This seemed to me that the writers are suggesting that Skynet and/or John are "losing control" over a Terminator (like Cameron), who is beginning to develop higher, complex thoughts like "is this what I am? (coltan/machinery) Am I nothing more?" And if she is more, she may be wondering "Why? What makes me different than just a collection of metal and flesh?" 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
ANTIcarrot
ANTIcarrot
37. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 5:36 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 5:36 PM EST
Maybe she just wanted a dildo?

Sorry. Sorry. Mind in the gutter. Yes I know...
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Shrapnel20
38. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 5:58 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 5:58 PM EST
"It is a common literary theme in scifi to humanize robotic/machine characters. I believe the writers are following along in the same steps, hence the subtle touches they have added to Camerson's character. If she was just a Terminator the audience would not relate to her as they do."
Actually it's the relentless, unemotional, single-mindedness that makes the Terminator's so cool. The fact that they are not human, yet so driven they seem unstoppable. I've only watched one episode of this show, so I admit I need to give it more of a chance (and I will), but I'm not impressed with Cameron so far. She looked like she got her butt kicked by the Terminator who stole the coltran. He however was the kind of Terminator I know and love from the movies. That's what I'm hoping to see in this series. I don't want to see some second-rate Lego's Mindstorm robot get in touch with her inner feelings.
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Shrapnel20
39. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran
Feb 6 2008, 6:03 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 6 2008, 6:03 PM EST
Regarding the theory that Cameron must make herself because she can't self terminate by changing the timeline so she is never created. This is a faulty argument because in T2, Arnold does exactly that. He helps Sarah and John in their attempt to prevent Judgement Day and remove Skynet from the timeline without concern that this counts as self terminating himself. Also, he allows John to lower himself into the molten steel. What defines self termination is obviously a philosophical issue left to humans. Termihnators obviously refer to self termination as literally and directly causing oneself to no longer function. Terminators can allow others or events to cause termination. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
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