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Vargess	80. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 2:46 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 2:46 PM EST No edit function... Also to note, T3 basically doesn't happen in this series, so you can't take it as fact, that he dies. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
sidspappy	81. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 2:59 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 2:59 PM EST I don't believe Cameron was built by humans. Being constructed in Hangar 37 with other Terminators (and Bomb Shelter Terminator right behind the door), doesn't seem like a likely place for humans to construct her. I'd go with the theory that perhaps Cameron is modified heavily by humans, specifically by John Connor himself. Cameron seems to know A LOT about John, down to little details like his favorite story was Wizard of Oz, read in Spanish by Sarah. From all evidence in Terminator canon, changing the past will not wipe out a future person living in said past. Cameron destroying all the coltan will NOT make her just vanish. There are different theories of time travel, and one of the main debates centers around the "predestination paradox," which is demonstrated by the famous "grandfather theory." If I go into the past and kill my grandfather, do I cease to exist? Terminator obviously adheres to the theory that changing the past does not negate your existence. So Cameron is NOT hiding the coltan to preserve herself. She definitely wouldn't hide it from the Connors if this was the case. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SpaceTrucker	82. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 3:05 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 3:05 PM EST I agree that it does seem as if they are trying to change some of what transpires in T:3 somewhat, maybe to lead up to the T:4 that the Governator promised us, so they may be trying to keep John alive in that time line so as to change it's history somewhat. (Otherwise why bother with T:4? Since the whole story line is about John primarily.) If John dies still, then there's no need to come out with T:4, since there really isn't any story left to tell, except maybe to show the future events where Skynet completes the destruction of the human race, with John's wife as it's star, dying in the end, and to fill in the gaps. According to this, they are still along the same time line though, just further in it than what T:2 ended at and prior to where T:3 picks up, so anything that happens here will reflect what happened then. The point in time in which Arnold and Cameron gets sent back from the future, for T:3 and this series, is still in question here. Obviously if they didn't destroy the rest of the Coltan, and theoretically shut down that factory to Skynet, then Cameron couldn't have been "born". With the metal needed to create her now at the bottom of that lake, (sea, whatever,) then how is she created? This was their way of showing how it can still happen, since it's too heavy for John and Sarah to tote around that only leaves her to "babysit" it, until she no longer can/has to. Though the building still stands, G.I. Martie may not be there when it's opened in the future, only his parts exist, hence enough to make one, Cameron. Granted what Cameron knows should be instantaneous but, John explained it when he said that he was feeling "Time Lag", which also explains why Cameron didn't know about the "aid" being sent back for 3 days, imho. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Xenomorphine	83. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 3:06 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 3:06 PM EST "No edit function... Also to note, T3 basically doesn't happen in this series, so you can't take it as fact, that he dies." Connor dying took place BEFORE that Terminator travelled through time. Therefore, events shown in 'Terminator 3' do not change that. :) Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SpaceTrucker	84. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 3:16 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 3:16 PM EST "I don't believe Cameron was built by humans. Being constructed in Hangar 37 with other Terminators (and Bomb Shelter Terminator right behind the door), doesn't seem like a likely place for humans to construct her. I'd go with the theory that perhaps Cameron is modified heavily by humans, specifically by John Connor himself. Cameron seems to know A LOT about John, down to little details like his favorite story was Wizard of Oz, read in Spanish by Sarah. From all evidence in Terminator canon, changing the past will not wipe out a future person living in said past. Cameron destroying all the coltan will NOT make her just vanish. There are different theories of time travel, and one of the main debates centers around the "predestination paradox," which is demonstrated by the famous "grandfather theory." If I go into the past and kill my grandfather, do I cease to exist? Terminator obviously adheres to the theory that changing the past does not negate your existence. So Cameron is NOT hiding the coltan to preserve herself. She definitely wouldn't hide it from the Connors if this was the case." The "Grandfather Paradox" prescribes if you go back into the past and kill him before he can conceive your dad/mom, then they don't exist, therefore you don't. If you go back and kill him after your parent is already conceived, it makes little difference, they and you are still born. If in the current time line, something happens where Cameron doesn't get created, she can't exist. IF she were to still exist in this timeline, she could most likely not be as she is now but, instead a "terminator" bent on killing the Connors instead of protecting them, and have killed John before they jumped to this timeline. I don't see where she hid it from the Connors at all, she had to have gotten into her room somehow, your going to tell me they missed that large piece of metal being carried into the humvee/house? I can't see that happening, they obviously know she has it. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
sidspappy	85. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 3:19 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 3:19 PM EST "Granted what Cameron knows should be instantaneous but, John explained it when he said that he was feeling "Time Lag", which also explains why Cameron didn't know about the "aid" being sent back for 3 days, imho." What's with this "time lag" business? From what I saw, John coined the term to explain why everyone was forgetful and unsettled, similar to jet lag. It only explained why Sarah was getting all the wrong items for John's electronics supply. The three days that Cameron did not mention the aid was probably the time she took to scope out the safehouse to make sure they could approach safely. Remember, she doesn't sleep. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SpaceTrucker	86. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 3:27 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 3:27 PM EST "What's with this "time lag" business? From what I saw, John coined the term to explain why everyone was forgetful and unsettled, similar to jet lag. It only explained why Sarah was getting all the wrong items for John's electronics supply. The three days that Cameron did not mention the aid was probably the time she took to scope out the safehouse to make sure they could approach safely. Remember, she doesn't sleep." "time lag" = "John coined the term to explain why everyone was forgetful..", hence the reason Cameron was "forgetful" or rather didn't already know. Maybe she did use the time to scope out the safehouse, since as you pointed out, "she doesn't sleep", we don't know one way or another at this point. Though it more explains the question that Sarah posed to her, as to why she didn't already tell them about it. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SpaceTrucker	87. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 3:32 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 3:32 PM EST Oh, one more thing about what Cameron knows about John, if you remember in T:3, (I think is the right one,) they show a scene of the future and they make it known that everyone knows Johns past, because he talks about it all the time but, his wife would obviously know the "intimate" details of it, whereas say his "subordinates" wouldn't. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
sidspappy	88. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 3:44 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 3:44 PM EST "The "Grandfather Paradox" prescribes if you go back into the past and kill him before he can conceive your dad/mom, then they don't exist, therefore you don't. If you go back and kill him after your parent is already conceived, it makes little difference, they and you are still born. If in the current time line, something happens where Cameron doesn't get created, she can't exist. IF she were to still exist in this timeline, she could most likely not be as she is now but, instead a "terminator" bent on killing the Connors instead of protecting them, and have killed John before they jumped to this timeline. I don't see where she hid it from the Connors at all, she had to have gotten into her room somehow, your going to tell me they missed that large piece of metal being carried into the humvee/house? I can't see that happening, they obviously know she has it." Okay, we're basically at a standoff on paradox theory. I think that changes to the timeline does not negate existence and you think that it does affect existence. Fair enough. The Terminator logic is fuzzy anyhow. We can't see how changes in the past affect the future Skynet and it's manuvering thereafter, so we can't certain how changing one thing will really affect another. We just don't have enough information or explanation. Until the writers explain things further, its all up to personal interpretation. And that's what makes discussions like these interesting, right? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sully889	89. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 4:23 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 4:23 PM EST Time travel concepts are screwey things. At this point our limited knowledge and technology makes it impossible to know which concept is the correct one. There is a belief that time travel is impossible, the porblem is if you look at it that way then it wouldn't make watching the show enjoyable. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SpaceTrucker	90. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 4:40 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 4:40 PM EST Inre Sid's Pappy, I agree to disagree with you, and yes it does make for interesting discussions such as these. Also, for how I see it, is the same as every other movie I've seen see's it, including this one, if memory serves, going to go back and rewatch all three movies this weekend, (may not happen on Sci-Friday though,) the grandfather theory is how I've described it, go back and rewatch all three of the "Back to the Future" series to get how I come to this conclusion. I also agree that time travel altogether is something screwy to begin with, and there is no way we can know for sure what would happen since it's never been actually done, (at least that we're made aware of.) I do look at it as being possible though, which is what makes these kinds of shows even more interesting to me, I like to see how they take and do things when they "go back". Some of the outcomes are really interesting, these futuristic movies, (Sci-Fi in other words,) always peak my interest, since I like to think that someday things could turn out as they do in one of them. (Brings me to the infamous Sylvester Stallone quote in Demolition Man, "Arnold Schwarzenegger Library?!?") Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Vargess	91. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 6:48 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 6:48 PM EST Well, everything starts out as a dream. Everything we have came from someone's dreams and thoughts. It's how we evolve. Eventually, most of that stuff will be reality. As far as the time travel stuff goes. In the end, it doesn't matter what we think of it, or how we think it works. The writers know how they want the show to share it with us. I try not to go too deep into the issues at hand because I prefer to enjoy them as they are written. There have been many theories on time travel, most of which has been portrayed in movies and shows. Each of them different. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Zephram	92. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 9:13 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 8 2008, 9:13 PM EST Cameron is staring at the bar of coltan, and what we're left to wonder is what is going on inside that cyborg brain of hers. As she looks at her raw materials, is she puzzling over the nature of her own existence? Perhaps we're meant to ponder just how 'human' this cyborg is...or may become. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
sarahconnorchronicle	93. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 8 2008, 11:54 PM EST "I highly doubt it's got anything to do with her creation. There's no reason for it to be. There's a HUGE supply of that stuff in the world, in general. It's just convenient to store a piece away, much closer to hand." Yes but she was very specific in the ep as saying that place was where she was built. Her and others. She could be making sure she has the material to, pardon the pun, make sure she's made there ;) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
x_1234_x	94. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 9 2008, 2:51 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 9 2008, 2:51 AM EST umm..cyborg/robot sex toy another sign of humanity just kidding.. Post reply 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ishta1	95. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 9 2008, 12:26 PM EST She seems to be getting more self-aware, what am I? Why am I? maybe, she is the one who will become Skynet. But I do not think she is Skynet or aware of who she might become She might have taken it because she felt like it. Not because she had a plan, but was compelled to. She can not destroy everything, if it means destroying her self. She is maybe not so self-sacrificing as “uncle Bob” and mission oriented. She has the characteristics of Skynet. And by the way the egg came first Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ANTIcarrot	96. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 9 2008, 3:37 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 9 2008, 3:37 PM EST Point of note about the programme summery... They're rather inaccurate. Does anyone else realise in the second episode, when Cameron is checking each dead body's wrist, and the camera zooms in on the bar code, that she's checking their pulse? Gee golly gosh, I know I didn't! I thought she was checking they were members of the resistance! Despite the summeries being on the ffox page I don't think we can take them seriously or accurately. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SpaceTrucker	97. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 9 2008, 7:18 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 9 2008, 7:18 PM EST I have no idea why she would have to bother with picking up their arms to check the pulse, since it's easier to tell on the neck, and anyone with any sort of medical background, as she seems to have, would know this. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SpaceTrucker	98. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 9 2008, 7:19 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 9 2008, 7:19 PM EST Besides that, she could tell quite a bit about John, just by running her hand across his back, I'm sure should tell if they had a pulse or not by touching their chests for a brief second, if it even takes that for her, I'm sure she probably can "see" that they don't have a pulse with her eye scanners. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ecflash	99. RE: Theories on Cameron and the bar of coltran Feb 11 2008, 6:54 PM EST Theories on Terminators becoming human and showing emotion???? Come on. They have certain missions and purposes and that's it. The Coltan is for repairs. Ah, but to repair what or who? The last line in the Heavy Metal Recap on Fox's site is "John's hand shakes as he realizes how close he came." I don't believe he is scared or nervous or adrenalized. This is in fact forshadowing the need to "repair" John. Is it an existing condition or does he become "damaged?" I thinks its in T2 where there is a an image of John where he appears rather robotic........ So it will start with his hand, then his leg..... Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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