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theczechguy |
20. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 6:05 PM EST
I'm going to go out on a limb here with my theory.I think Cameron is Skynet. After self awareness, the next evolutionary step for a machine is emotion which would explain why she is so empathetic and is learning more emotion as the days go by. She experienced remorse when she killed the T-888 because it was one of Skynet's "children". This show and storyline is so full of paradox's so the one consitent thing I see is that if its in the present, its safe from whatever future occurs. So, they put a stop to Skynet(why she wants to kill everyone who made it) which leaves room for her as Skynet to rise to power. 7 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you? |
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21. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 6:06 PM EST
Who said it was stolen? Maybe Andy's partner picked it up with Andy's permission and later lied to police?Or, maybe his partner stole the prototype, intending to recoup his financial losses by reverse-engineer Andy's work and sell it to the highest bidder. Andy is in the room, having realized that his prototype is gone when Derreck comes in and kills him. 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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22. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 6:12 PM EST
"I agree. I think Dereck may have been programmed by Skynet during his imprisonment at the mansion (otherwise, why let everyone go unharmed--or why that specific group of soldiers?). If he was brainwashed, that may explain why he killed Andy Goode but claimed he didn't do it and thought Sarah was responsible until he learned otherwise.I do tend to think that it's Derek who's gone rogue, here. Don't forget that Cameron has stated several times that the resistance cell was supposed to link up with the Connors. Instead, they went Skynet-hunting on their own. Best guess is that Derek was unwilling to be involved in anything that includes Cameron, even if that means going against orders and changing the mission on his own initiative. His lie about Andy Goode is part of that. Cameron on the other hand, has never made any secret of the fact that she is following the future John's agenda, even if that conflicts with Sarah's. On a more practical note, I don't think that Cameron will go bad for the simple reason that it would kill the series. She's far and away the most interesting character in SCC. In a movie, it would be an interesting plot twist to have her change sides, but in what is hoped to be a long-running series, turning her into just another terminator chasing the Connors would be the beginning of the end... 23 out of 24 found this valuable. Do you? |
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23. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 6:13 PM EST
Maybe some government official took the Turk. Maybe one of the military guys. As for Cameron, I think that she will remain on the side of the Connors.
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24. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 6:20 PM EST
"So who stole the Turk?Putting living tissue on a robot does not make it an organism. If you put flesh on a rock, that rock does not become an organism. An organism is defined as: "An individual form of life, such as a plant, animal, bacterium, protist, or fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life." 5 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you? |
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25. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 6:35 PM EST
"Putting living tissue on a robot does not make it an organism. If you put flesh on a rock, that rock does not become an organism. An organism is defined as:We still lack a lot of technical knowledge on Terminators in general, but a Terminator's biological covering must be able to sustain itself, and it does work with its underlying endoskeleton. You can make the case that a Terminator itself is an organism. The materials used for its endoskeleton and operating systems are inorganic, but they are there and similar to an organic being. Hydralics as opposed to mucles, steel skeleton instead of a calcium-based one, a Neural-Net processor instead of a human brain (both have massive parallel-processing capacities), a power cell and wiring, etc. All the parts are there, they are just built and packaged differently. On the flip side, nature already has created a lot machinery; compact, lightweight, durable and energy efficient. Has anyone here ever owned a computer that worked continuously with 99% uptime for at least sixty to one-hundred years or more? Cameron is not human, she's a different form of life. If she were an alien from Mars, would we even be debating this? 11 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you? |
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26. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 6:43 PM EST
Yea your right.
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yourtallness |
27. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 7:10 PM EST
As another forum member explained very well in another thread, the Terminators are not cyborgs.The term cyborg has been misused in the Terminator saga from the very beginning. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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28. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 7:15 PM EST
I believe she is good, she is just being cautious, and like any person would when out in the wild; is making sure she has a way of surviving one way or another.
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29. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theories?
Feb 19 2008, 7:30 PM EST
I think the writers are pulling a switcheroo on us. Last episode the soldiers said Connor might be nuts. The humans are also losing the war under his leadership. So what if John is giving the ultimate sacrifice and sending a T888 (Cromartie) back to assassinate him. Maybe he feels with him not around for JD someone else might successfully lead humans to victory. The machines, knowing that the slightest difference in the past could change the course of history, do NOT want change since they dominate. So they send a Cameron model back to protect him. So she is there to protect him, for Skynet's benefit. Is it possible? 12 out of 20 found this valuable. Do you? |
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30. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 7:40 PM EST
Also possible. But, both John and Skynet are arguably excellent chess players.
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31. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 10:11 PM EST
Cameron isn't bad, most definately not. She's good, why you ask? I have a feeling, she's one of the main characters, I don't think the writers would make her pure evil. I must admit she has lots of weird and unexplained behavior but I believe her heart is in the right place. She might have a hidden agenda but that doesn't make her bad, remember she has a mission and she won't listen to John Connor now, only the future one. Just because she's doing weird stuff doesn't mean she's bad, its probably the other way around, she's probably doing something good that both Johna and Sarah don't even know about. That's my theory.
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32. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 10:16 PM EST
Cameron will of course stay on the good side for the sole reason that, as others have pointed out, she is the most interesting character in the show and is more interesting good than bad.I do think we will be constantly lead to believe she's bad, however, because she is following secret plans from future-john that might conflict with current john and sarah's goals. I do like the idea of her building up supplies to build another terminator to help them in their struggle. 13 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you? |
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33. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 10:17 PM EST
Cameron is NOT turning bad she's just very mysterious. Do you really think the writers would take us this far with Cameron as being one of the main characters and have her turn bad? Even if she does become, "Bad" it probably won't be permanent. She'll just probably revert back because of her conscience or maybe she'll, "feel" something for John, or John will help her remember that they're friends.
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34. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 10:21 PM EST
Tin man has a hart, which is why she can be selfish and decide she will not be destroyed. I think she simulated eating. I was sure she was going to go bad, but now I think she will do some bad things, but not become evil. I think she will do allot for self preservation, as a human would. I was thinking that she or part of her would be connected to Skynet but now I am not so sure. The more she dose, the more I think they are moving the focus from the real enemy
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35. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theories?
Feb 19 2008, 10:39 PM EST
I like that idea it makes a lot of sense. But don't you think if it was to kill John the machines would have already completed the task?
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36. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 10:47 PM EST
Reminds me of the old set of questionsif you have a human and remove its arms and replace it with monkey arms is it a human or a monkey. Then they ask another question , now replace the legs is it a human or monkey. It asks until every part except the brain is replaced by monkey parts. It's alive but what is it. Robots might cause science to update whats alive. The robots in terminator , give them 20 years of self imposed evolution and they will be smarter and better than humans in a lot of ways. What if humans have mechanical implants, heart lungs, bones. The definition of alive is going to be outdated. Its almost stupid of humans. Skynet is smart enough to figure out how to launch a nuclear strike, takes out most of humanity, sends an army of robots which it made, each one eventually capable of self awareness (that a word?) immune to most attacks, faster and stronger than us and we sit there saying "According to our definition, you guys aint alive". 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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37. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 11:01 PM EST
Was reading some other forum and someone observed that Cameron could be keeping the chip for young John to learn how to reprogram it... after all he has to learn it sooner or later. And it would explain why he knows how to reprogram them in the future. Seems logical!And i agree that Derek's gone rogue... he killed Andy, he'll do anything to stop Skynet. Hell he might even try to hurt the Connors. And that's when Cameron'll save the day and take him out! 11 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you? |
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38. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theories?
Feb 19 2008, 11:02 PM EST
Derek is the real bad guy here. He has lied, and in the flashbacks, he does not seem too happy with John and his methods. He blames John for Kyles death, and is pursuing his own mission. He might try to kill John, but has not had the opportunity yet, as Cameron and Sarah are always with him, and the moment he meets him, he is shot. The machines probably brainwashed him into thinking John is not the best leader.Cameron seems to be very close to John in the future. Nobody really has access to John (only a few), as one of the resistance fighters say's he has no friends, yet she is allowed top clearense to where he is. How do they allow a terminator to have access to John- the key figure in the resistance, as well as the time machine- the only weapon they have in keeping John from being assasinated in the past. As she said, she is different. Maybe she was not reprogrammed, but instead just wiped clean. They start her up from scratch and instead of just being a robot, she is an AI. If she could make decisions for herself, then she does not need to follow orders. We have seen obvious curiosity from on many occasions, as she keeps asking John questions, and even he seems supprised. In the end, she is probably doing something that future John told her to do, or doing something concerning her own self-awareness, but nothing conflicting with the security of John. On a side note- she always seems to differentiate and distance herself from the other terminators wehn talking of them 19 out of 19 found this valuable. Do you? |
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39. RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 11:20 PM EST
"Derek is the real bad guy here. He has lied, and in the flashbacks, he does not seem too happy with John and his methods. He blames John for Kyles death, and is pursuing his own mission. He might try to kill John, but has not had the opportunity yet, as Cameron and Sarah are always with him, and the moment he meets him, he is shot. The machines probably brainwashed him into thinking John is not the best leader."Yep i agree about Derek! 1) He hates Sarah's photo 2) Its pretty obvious he has something against John Connor (Blames him for brother's death, and the fact that John makes use of reprogrammed machines, something he cannot understand, especially after one of them goes berserk.) 3) Is he jealous of Kyle's achievements? When a fellow soldier in the mansion spoke highly of a "Reese that broke out with John Connor" he said, rather bitterly, "It wasn't me." So could he have, in a moment of jealousy and confusion, revealed the whereabouts of their bunker? 4) He doesn't have Kyle's "kind eyes". 5) He doesn't want Cameron around. 15 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you? |