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LiquidMetal |
20. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 8:24 AM EDT
"There are a lot of wacky theories. I'm not trying to insult anyone. But I'd think it's a good idea to make clear that it is just a fan made up theory, and not state it as a fact.If you think about it, nothing that is posted here is 'fact". This is a TV show based on fiction. Nothing is real. The T1-000 and T-X are not real. The only fact here is there are no "facts". What if I responded to your plasible theory post with the following posts: 1. What makes you think that? Because they didn't make any more? 2. Come on. You just made that up. What would your reaction be? Would you be offended? Angry? Insulted? These are rhetorical questions. Point being some fans here take pot shots at observations or opinions offered by other fans. I would much prefer to engage in a theoretical discussion, then challenge or belittle an observation made by another member. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
IntrepidVillain |
21. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 8:38 AM EDT
"There are a lot of wacky theories. I'm not trying to insult anyone. But I'd think it's a good idea to make clear that it is just a fan made up theory, and not state it as a fact.It's all fiction. This one seems common enough. GoingFaster's web site offers an explanation whose message overall, would be the following: Yes, they were very complicated to produce, but Skynet probably didn't need that many of them. It predicted that they would inflict tremendous damage in the Resistance forces and turn the tide of the war in a month. Unfortunately, Skynet never had time to make another one. Connor destroyed the defense grid soon after it made the first one. They would have been cost-effective if more of them were made. Do you find this valuable? |
Mat-101 |
22. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 10:31 AM EDT
"There are a lot of wacky theories. I'm not trying to insult anyone. But I'd think it's a good idea to make clear that it is just a fan made up theory, and not state it as a fact.The theory about Skynet's fear of the T-1000 actually stems from Randall Frakes' novelisation of the film. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LiquidMetal |
23. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 10:40 AM EDT
"The theory about Skynet's fear of the T-1000 actually stems from Randall Frakes' novelisation of the film."Thanks for this insight. "The Terminator" by Randall Frakes & Bill Wisher. Mass-market paperback, based on the screenplay by James Cameron with Gale Anne Hurd. Published November, 1985. ISBN 0-553-25317-4 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
HK103 |
24. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 10:52 AM EDT
"These are rhetorical questions. Point being some fans here take pot shots at observations or opinions offered by other fans. I would much prefer to engage in a theoretical discussion, then challenge or belittle an observation made by another member. "I'm not belittling anything. I'm just pointing out that your mode of presentation made it seem like it's something directly from the source material (canon), which I thought is misleading because it's not. I specified that mine was just a fan theory. Do you find this valuable? |
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HK103 |
25. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 10:56 AM EDT
"It's all fiction.Again. That's not relevant to my point. I'm just pointing out that there is a difference between canon and fan theory. And that I think it's well worth distinguishing what is actually in the story from what we, as fans, made up. Some things are self evident enough to accept as canon without being directly told. But this one clearly isn't, mine or yours. Do you find this valuable? |
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HK103 |
26. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 10:59 AM EDT
"The theory about Skynet's fear of the T-1000 actually stems from Randall Frakes' novelisation of the film."Ah, I see. Well, it's certainly not a fan theory then. As long as the novels count as canon. Do you find this valuable? |
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IntrepidVillain |
27. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 11:34 AM EDT
Whether Frakes' novels count as Canon is debatable, but they are given more favour than other works, apart from the movies themselves, because they were produced in close collaboration with James Cameron.From the web site I mentioned. It includes a reference from the novel. http://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/t1000techdata.html "To the liquid brain, the world was a simple puzzle box of broken reality, the hard pieces easily fitting back into the river of cosmic order. Cause and effect was the closest thing to humor in a mind so alien that even SKYNET had difficulty understanding it fully. The T1000 had deduced several possible avenues of continuing the mission in the most efficient manner possible. it was methodically following one while constantly processing the others for branching opportunities. it was fully autonomous, and barely under the allegiance of its creator, SKYNET. SKYNET had hesitated before creating this latest weapon system. There were unpredictability factors related to the liquid poly-mimetic alloy's longevity and the ability to process commands without interpolating its own priorities over those of its creator. it was so volatile a construct that only in the last throes of defeat, only when it appeared that the Resistance would finally be able to mount an offensive against the inner command components of SKYNET, even threatening the Cheyenne Mountain complex itself, did SKYNET go ahead and create the T1000. Einstein once said that God didn't play dice with the universe. SKYNET had no choice..." -Frakes, "Terminator 2" According to this passage, Skynet did consider the T-1000 dangerous. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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IntrepidVillain |
28. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 11:37 AM EDT
"Ah, I see. Well, it's certainly not a fan theory then. As long as the novels count as canon."I didn't want to jump to conclusions as to whether it was actually mentioned in the novels (though again, whether they're Canon there is no universal agreement). The passage I quoted seems to suggest that it's in the novel. It's just a matter now of actually checking the novel itself. Do you find this valuable? |
VodkaPowered |
29. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 12:12 PM EDT
"Arnold played a T-800 in Terminator 1 and 2, and an upgraded T-850 in Terminator 3. The T-888s in the new series are a new model."not necessarily ahnold is T-800 model 101, T850 might stand for T800 Model 50. u cant fit 101 behind 800 & still keep it as a 3 digit model number Do you find this valuable? |
jbgilson |
30. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 12:25 PM EDT
Maybe the reason Skynet did not send back to the Sara Conner Chronicles, the T 1000 or the TX, is that both failed in their missions.
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IntrepidVillain |
31. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 12:37 PM EDT
"Maybe the reason Skynet did not send back to the Sara Conner Chronicles, the T 1000 or the TX, is that both failed in their missions."The T-1000 had to have been sent back because his foster parents, as he said in Episode 7, were killed. Do you find this valuable? |
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jbgilson |
32. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 12:50 PM EDT
I agree, but I said "to the Sara Conner Chronicles" The original question I asked is why Skynet did not send back to the new series, the more advanced Terminators like the T1000 or the TX.In answering my own question, after great thought, (I've got to get a life lol) maybe Skynet did not send back the more advanced models because, in "T-2" and "T-3", the more advanced models, failed at their missions. Do you find this valuable? |
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Mat-101 |
33. RE: Explain please
Aug 26 2008, 1:21 PM EDT
"not necessarilyArnold is a model 101, not a model 50. Do you find this valuable? |
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devowankenobi |
34. RE: Explain please
Sep 1 2008, 12:47 PM EDT
I read a long while ago that the 800 referred to the chassis model number while the 101 was in reference to it's physical appearance. So all Terminators that look like Arnold would be model800/850, series 101. Therefore it can refer to itself as T- 800 or T-101 because both would be correct. Do you find this valuable? |
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Mat-101 |
35. RE: Explain please
Sep 1 2008, 1:46 PM EDT
"So all Terminators that look like Arnold would be modelTrue, now anyway. Although T-101 was not a correct term prior to T3, because the 'T' prefix was considered series specific. So putting 'T' and the model number together didn't work. But now, it seems a feasible explanation. Plus, while it seems likely that the model 101 is specific to the '800 line (mainly due to the large size), it cannot be ruled out that other series may be able, in a certain context, to utilise the model 101 appearence. Do you find this valuable? |
Metallifux |
36. RE: Explain please
Nov 21 2008, 9:20 AM EST
Arnie was a T-800 model 101 in terminator 1 and 2 in three he was a T-850 model 101
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SamStaurophobia |
37. RE: Explain please
Nov 28 2008, 6:25 PM EST
There's also something that's being forgotten here:The T-850 was never produced in the TSCC timeline, it was instead replaced by the series 888. The T-850 is exclusive to the T3 timeline. Do you find this valuable? |
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Mat-101 |
38. RE: Explain please
Nov 30 2008, 9:22 AM EST
"There's also something that's being forgotten here:Do we know this for certain (keep in mind spoilers for a UK resident who has only seen the first few episodes so far)? The fact we have such a specific number does seem to indicate there was another sub-series between 800 and 888, otherwise why notn have something similar to T-850s in SCC, T-860 for eg? Do you find this valuable? |
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LiquidMetal |
39. RE: Explain please
Nov 30 2008, 11:05 AM EST
One more thing, Skynet was concerned that the T-1000/T-X models had the capability of becoming self-aware. Making too many of these things raised the odds of this happening. Of all the Terminators Skynet was churning out, these prototype models were a threat not only to John and Sarah Connor, but Skynet as well. They were given the ability to make judgments, were creative, and had the desire and need to "live". Supposedly a T1000000 protects Skynet's core. Here is an image http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Image:T-1000000.png The T1000000 only mission is to protect Skynet. It is a Terminator in only that sense. The T1000000 appears in "T2 3-D: Battle Across Time", a James Cameron creation for Universal Studios in Orlando, FL, Hollywood, and Japan. Since JC created T23DBAT, the T1000000 could be considered canon. Do you find this valuable? |
