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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
20. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 20 2008, 10:45 AM EDT
I was mentioning in another post that I think Cameron should have a sort of retro-active redemption. In some Future flash forwards (of the original time line before Cameron changed things again) the writers show what she was like BEFORE John Connor captured and re-programmed her. Then this new, current Cameron in the present new time line, in a round about sort of way, is trying to redeem herself from the misdeeds of her former self. Maybe in residual, left-over memories she remembers the bad things she did. That's one set of truths she keeps from this particular present day John. It would be too much for him to know this about her "past." I think it would be very interesting if the previous, un-reprogrammed EVIL Cameron had done something personally bad to Future John Connor. Maybe killed a close friend or loved one. That's why he makes it his mission to find this particular model and destroy her. But being the compassionate soul that he is can't bring himself to do it (she does or says things that spark his curiosity... she's not acting exactly like a normal Terminator), and instead disables her and decides to use her in the fight against Skynet. She's a very valuable commodity. He then starts having feelings for her and makes her his confidant. Going against these feelings (or maybe because of them), he sends her back to protect his past self, save Sarah, and once and for all stop Skynet rather than just have her as a bodyguard. Maybe John thinks back to the days spent as a kid with Arnie, and how his younger purer, and far less jaded/cynical self could truly reach out and relate to Terminators and influence them. Perhaps he thinks he can help Cameron find her true self that way, so they have a real future together in the new time line. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
21. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 20 2008, 11:13 AM EDT
In another twist, using Cameron's "past" against her, John is examining the files on her chip and accidently runs across some of these buried nuggets of deeds she did in the future (gets confusing!), and is shaken by what he sees. This, in turn, calls into question his current feelings for her. He mistakenly believes that perhaps she is not the good and trustworthy Terminator he thinks she is (and, we the audience know, she truly is). Perhaps once her chip is restored, she is touching John (like she did previously) to get a measure of his current state of well being (and because she has growing feelings towards him... in another Season 2 speculation post I had John kissing her briefly after the prom when they are alone at home and he's letting her have the slow dance she didn't get to have at the prom since it's cut short, and she shows she liked it after he embarrassingly dashes off by brushing her lips with her fingers). Instead of welcoming this advance, John flinches away from her touch and Cameron is confused by this turn of events. She doesn't know he found out some of her buried and most guarded secrets, and doesn't realize he has the wrong impression of her now. As what John negatively says and does around her intensifies (and it dawns on her what has happened-- she's very intuitive), she has to find a way to win back his trust in her. Maybe in the end she also opens up and tells John some of these secrets knowing that seeing them in the wrong context would hurt their relationship and she actually and actively tries to restore it. Perhaps it's one of the worst secrets about her previous self. And she simply says she's sorry. Sometimes that's the hardest word you can say to someone you care about., especially from a Terminator. 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
22. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 20 2008, 11:33 AM EDT
I think somewhere in all this, the Johny Cash version of "Hurt" might be a compelling song to use. It sounds to me like it's something a friend or loved one, who has done something terribly wrong in their past to them... something, perhaps, unforgiveable would sing to them to show they are so very, very sorry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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23. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theorie
Mar 20 2008, 11:40 AM EDT
You really have some good ideas -- You should write fanfic or something. You've practically wrote(or pitched) several eppys here including the music. Nice job.
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Krazykaleb |
24. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theorie
Mar 20 2008, 12:03 PM EDT
I agree. Your ideas are a whole are good especially since you can come out with more details than I can with regard to my ideas. I was the one who said that crazy stuff about chip inplantation. But, other than that I've got nothing right now. Everyone beats me to the good Ideas like you Cuckoo. Good Job = )
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VodkaPowered |
25. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theorie
Mar 20 2008, 1:11 PM EDT
hmmmmm i say they should hire u to write :Pi gots some ideas too but i dont feel like give writters ideas right now. if it werent for their stupid strike, we woulda had 4 more episodes? im rather mad @ them, finally after like 3 years i find a tv show (reality tv is the gayest thing ever!) that i like, it got shortened because of the strike......fine, work for that increase of money >:( 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Shrapnel20 |
26. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 20 2008, 6:07 PM EDT
They need to bring in a T-1000 or explain why no more have been sent back since T2. Perhaps the same should go for the T-X. How possible do either of these scenarios sound?
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Krazykaleb |
27. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 20 2008, 8:40 PM EDT
Actually I've considered their being a T-1000 next season in another discussion. I definatly would like to see maybe a updated version of the T-1000. Him and Cromartie would be the ultimate mences of the show. Cameron would have some serious confrontational problems if a T-1001 or T-888 joined forces. Vick would be nothing compared to them as a evil duo. But you never know. Cameron might be programed to know how to deal with a T-1000. Since we all know the weakness of a T1000 is extreame heat or cold. She might be able to make a thermite bomb or somthing and nearly destroy the T-1000.
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28. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 20 2008, 8:56 PM EDT
"They need to bring in a T-1000 or explain why no more have been sent back since T2. Perhaps the same should go for the T-X. How possible do either of these scenarios sound?"T-1000 was an advanced prototype, maybe it was found unsuitable or have some flaw that the resistance can exploit. not only temperature, also EM field. just look @ how T-X's PM alloy becomes uncontrollable in the partical accelerator. maybe its even more sensitive to electrical currents. T-X is extremely advanced, presumeably towards the end of war. or maybe that model no longer exists since the time travel would have changed the future. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Krazykaleb |
29. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 20 2008, 9:05 PM EDT
"T-1000 was an advanced prototype, maybe it was found unsuitable or have some flaw that the resistance can exploit. not only temperature, also EM field. just look @ how T-X's PM alloy becomes uncontrollable in the partical accelerator. maybe its even more sensitive to electrical currents. T-X is extremely advanced, presumeably towards the end of war. or maybe that model no longer exists since the time travel would have changed the future."I agree with the time travel changeing the future. Maybe the writers have somthing even more dangerous than the T-X in store for us. Because I've considered that since they change so much by delaying skynet. Maybe it will start to create Human Terminators using liquid nano bots. Which may explain why Derek was yelling, "That's My Blood what are you doing to my Blood!" So Cameron might be the more intelligent replacement for the T-X. I wonder what Skynet has in store for them next season. Maybe even a terminator combined with human parts to make a semi-organic entitiy. Kind of like General Greivous from Star Wars Episode III. Just my speculation for a addition to the plot 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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30. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 21 2008, 9:27 AM EDT
Long term it’s hard to say where Josh is going to take the story and that’s a good thing as I don’t want this show to be too predictable but I think it’s safe to say John won’t be changing schools, they have spent too much time setting up various storylines there to abandon it so soon.The house on the other hand will have to be abandoned, Sarah might not know from the end of the last episode why their jeep was blown up with Cameron in it, but the fact it’s happened is like a big neon sign pointing right at them. The “what happens next” part is the big “what if” of the start of season two, trying to figure out just what the consequences of having a car blow up on a suburban street will be the controlling factor here. My supposition would be the neighbour’s rushing out of their homes to see what’s happened some filming with their cameras or camera phones, some trying to help put out the fire, all the sort of things the Connors will want to avoid. John being john will want to rush out to help Cameron, Sarah being wiser will no doubt stop him saying that there’s nothing they can do and order him to get his stuff together so they can get out of there before the authorities arrive. Derek will probably turn up at that moment so they can all leave together. Having Cameron too badly damaged from the explosion would be problematic story wise, so she’ll either be blown clear or get out of the jeep shortly after the blast to minimise the damage to her skin, and this is where it gets tricky, I think Cameron is going to hit the pavement unmoving ether because of some damaged she’s sustained or because she’s playing possum, having her walk away from the explosion is going to draw too much attention. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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31. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theorie
Mar 21 2008, 9:55 AM EDT
"Now I really like this. Cameron not being able to help destroy skynet because it conflicts with protecting John. That would be a huge for Cameron."We all know that John's father was sent back from future. In other words, if there's no war John would not exist. So far not even Cameron knows that. But I think when she figure out she'll stop helping John destroy skynet. Both because of her mission to protect John and her "personal affection" towards him." I think this is a great dilemma to introduce to Cameron's character. But, does time travel theory work this way in the Terminator universe? I think John of the present continues to be John of the present even if the SCC team manages to destroy Skynet to come. Destroying Skynet now will change John's future, not his existence - not like in the Back to the Future movies. At least, that's my understanding. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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32. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theorie
Mar 21 2008, 10:09 AM EDT
Character development, character development, character development.There have been tooooo many bad guys. I think part of that is due to the writer's strike effecting the story arc. Like, I'd guess either Ellison's character was due for development or the school storyline was due for development, or both, but it didn't happen because of the writers strike. But, working through the characters can't be avoided because 1) tv shows don't have budgets to focus just on FX every week 2) unrelenting evil gets boring. I mean, so far in the series how many of the "good" guys have actually been bad guys - in addition to the guys who really are bad guys. It can get to be too much 3) relationships bring meaning - that's what involves the viewer. Without fulfilling human relationships, who cares if Skynet takes over or not? Why bother staving off the machines if the humans are going to treat one another the way the machines treat them, anyway? 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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33. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 21 2008, 12:56 PM EDT
I think it would be awesome if Cameron sees someone kiss at prom. And she asks John why people kiss. And he says he "they just do." Then later she is outside with Morris and he tries to kiss her but she gets out of it without hurting him though. Just freaking him out. Then later at home John asks Cameron, "Why did you have to flip Morris out, you should have just kissed him like a regular person." And Cameron's reply is, 'It just didn't feel right." John replies, "What?" Cameron repeats her statement. John then asks, "How could you feel that?" Cameron replies, "I don't know. It just didn't feel right." John comes further into Cameron's room. He says, "You can feel." Cameron says, "I'm starting to." Cameron says, "Aren't you supposed to dance at prom?" John says, "Yes." Cameron replies, "I didn't get to dance." John asks Cameron if she would like to dance. She says, "Yes." John turns on music (which just so happens to be slow). He takes her left hand and puts her right arm on on his shoulder and his arm around her waist. They dance for a little. John brings Cameron closer. They stare into each other's eyes. Cameron says, "This feels right." John leans in and kisses her. Standing in the doorway is Derek. He stands there stunned. Cameron quickly notices Derek and slightly but quickly pushes John away. Derek says, "What the hell were you doing?" Cameron says, "It felt right." Cameron leaves her own room as Derek stands there amazed at John. Derek says, "She's a MACHINE." John says, "She's a LEARNING machine" Derek says, "She's tricking you. This is over, she's done." John says, "You listen to me. You will not touch her. And that's an order." Derek says, "You're crazy Connor. You have no idea..." 11 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you? |
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34. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 21 2008, 3:40 PM EDT
Pretty interesting Idea Wiffy
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35. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 21 2008, 5:27 PM EDT
ALL I ASK FROM FOX, AND T:SCC IS TO BRING CAMERON (SUMMER)BACK CAUSE THE SHOW CAN'T GO ON WITH OUT HER.
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36. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theorie
Mar 23 2008, 5:33 AM EDT
Heres my suggestion with the backstory on Cameron: Referring to Episode2: John gave Cameron a diamond. "Aw, how sweet." ;} He also told her "diamonds are a girls best friend." She was also referring to the Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz. Maybe future John told her that story, and maybe she wants a heart too, or wants hers returned? Future John did confide in the robot-Cameron a lot. Im thinking shes his girlfriend/confidant in the future who got taken by Skynet and made into a hybrid. When she was released back to kill Future John, she couldnt and John was able to overrride her Skynet directives. (or when Skynet attacks future human Cameron, John wants to save her life so he tries an experimental procedure by melding her mind with a machine, thus creating a new model robot. It kept her memories intact, but messed with her emotional abilities and understanding of the memories.) So he sends her to the past. This causes young John to love her, but she also dies in the past protecting John. So when he grows up, he recognizes and meets the complete Cameron and the whole cycle starts over again. Essentially, as a teenager, he meets half of Cameron, as an adult he meets the whole Cameron. And he wouldnt have opened up to her if he didnt have that previous connection which was initiated by the robot Cameron. 1 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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37. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theorie
Mar 23 2008, 5:39 AM EDT
Oh wait, she protects him and teaches him right until hes ready to stand on his own. Then she gets killed, but fast forward in the future (maybe 1 year into the war), he experiences deJaVu when he meets her again, but as a fiesty independent soldier.
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38. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 23 2008, 8:54 AM EDT
I believe that the Turk is a red herring. 1. Andy made his confession after he was taken out of the basement 2. The machines let the prisoners go instead of just killing them after interrogation. I believe that whoever was in the basement (and its been heavily hinted that it was Cameron, or a model just like her) discovered Andy's background and knew that the resistance had access to time travel, or soon might. So, in the present day since the Turk is the only concrete lead that the resistance has, and since presumably Skynet agents have the Turk they can use it to find the resistance. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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39. RE: Plot Spoilers! Help the writers for Season 2 work out plot theories!
Mar 23 2008, 9:36 AM EDT
If the writers kill off Cameron then I'll stop watching the show. End of. I like what people are saying about using the coltan to repair her and the regenerative skin thing as that could totally work. I also like the idea of Cameron becoming more human-like, I don't know, but it just seems to fit. I'm unsure of the connection between John, Cameron, Future John and Future Cameron but I have an inkling that it's something big, well at least I sure hope so.
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