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Modron
20. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 20 2008, 5:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 20 2008, 5:22 PM EDT
The whole basement sequence has bothered me more than any other part of the series. I cn attribute some inconsistencies to moving the story from the big screen to the small screen. But, that basement sequence leaves e cold. The characters ivolved didn't even express any empathy, curiosity, fear at what as happening in the basement. I'd at least have epected the characters ivolved would talk about what hapened to them. Suddenly these resistene fighters are reduced to rag dolls? I hope they explain that one. Do you find this valuable?    

TheCinC
21. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 20 2008, 6:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 20 2008, 6:28 PM EDT
"The whole basement sequence has bothered me more than any other part of the series. I cn attribute some inconsistencies to moving the story from the big screen to the small screen. But, that basement sequence leaves e cold. The characters ivolved didn't even express any empathy, curiosity, fear at what as happening in the basement. I'd at least have epected the characters ivolved would talk about what hapened to them. Suddenly these resistene fighters are reduced to rag dolls? I hope they explain that one."
Well, they were exhausted, badly fed, probably beat up and who knows what happened in that basement? Some of them had already been there, some of the other people in that house might have been there for quite some time, so that could account for their state. Maybe they were drugged, to keep them a little more compliant?
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Michelle67D
Michelle67D
22. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 20 2008, 6:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 20 2008, 6:36 PM EDT
Actually there was curiosity.Derek asked the guy who had been there a while about the music in the basement.He wanted to know what went on down there and the guy said maybe you friend can tell us as they dragged Andy Good back into the room. And maybe they were drugged since the guy Derek was talking to thought he had just got there and Derek told him he was there before him. Or it could be another hint that there is some sort of issue with the time. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Modron
23. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 20 2008, 6:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 20 2008, 6:46 PM EDT
"Well, they were exhausted, badly fed, probably beat up and who knows what happened in that basement? Some of them had already been there, some of the other people in that house might have been there for quite some time, so that could account for their state. Maybe they were drugged, to keep them a little more compliant?"
True.
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Michelle67D
Michelle67D
24. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 20 2008, 6:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 20 2008, 6:50 PM EDT
"I for one totally discount the theory that maybe these resistance fighters were being tested. This for two reasons: a) it seemed as if people were dying there and John does not seem nearly that ruthless and would become almost as bad as SkyNet if he resorted to something like that and b) If this was some kind of test, then it obviously wasn't a very good one, considering Derek didn't stick to the mission plan (although it might have seemed a bit too much to ask of several resistance fighters to just sit tight and wait for John to turn up...)

Now, what I think may have happened is that they may have been used by SkyNet to help improve infiltration skills. After all, SkyNet Terminators sometimes know a lot about humans, at other times seem completely clueless. Remember the moment Cromarty entered class and was confronted with a smart mouthed teenager, comparing him to Madonna. He was stumped. Or Cameron's lack of a response to being asked to go to the prom. Sometimes things are beyond them, and for serious infiltration, they really need to work a lot harder. Learning about things like ballet, music and whatnot might not have been essential when trying to infiltrate the resistance, but especially when sending Terminators to the past it would be essential that their cover is not blown until (possibly after several years) they find their target or accomplish whatever mission they are sent on. This would explain the music. Other than that, they were probably also tortured for more practical information, such as the site of their hideouts.

As for the hatchet left and the absence of any Terminators, I'm thinking maybe Cameron had already been reprogrammed and had infiltrated the Terminators there, but was unable to do anything for them until later. Releasing the prisoners would have been a difficulty, she'd probably already been seen by them, so she simply left them items to escape with. That, or they were brainwashed or something..."
Like I said I don't really subscribe to any one theory - I actually hope that the writers come up with something we haven't thought of - something that'll shock us.

But as for people dying -- we only see one woman that is drug off during the scene. She could have been planted there for affect to instill fear in Derek and crew.

About Derek not sticking to the plan -- the interrogation may have to see who would fold under pressure not to see who would remain loyal to the plan. He may have also needed to find someone like Derek who could go on his own if things didn't work out(like your entire team getting taken out).

I do like the testing to improve their infiltration skills and although I agree that the Machines do kinda stand out when they don't understand things like the prom I don't think that a human being is going to jump to the conclusion that they are killer robots from the future just because they act a little weird. There is no reason for anyone to suspect machines from the future unless they do have a background like Sarah and John and have actually had first hand experience with them.

With all that being said the theory about her infiltrating skynet for John probably does make the most sense.Nevertheless it's fun to look at the other possibilities.
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Modron
25. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 20 2008, 6:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 20 2008, 6:55 PM EDT
"Actually there was curiosity.Derek asked the guy who had been there a while about the music in the basement.He wanted to know what went on down there and the guy said maybe you friend can tell us as they dragged Andy Good back into the room. And maybe they were drugged since the guy Derek was talking to thought he had just got there and Derek told him he was there before him. Or it could be another hint that there is some sort of issue with the time."
Oh yeah I forgot that.

I'm also curious what role Derek meeting Andy Goode played in Derek killing Andy. Sarah was angry about the killing, but I'm assuming Derek killed past Andy to save Andy from the future suffering he would have over causing the destruction he brought to humankind. (Assuming I have the effects of Terminator time travel right.)
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Modron
26. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 20 2008, 7:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 20 2008, 7:10 PM EDT
John Connor testing the resistance fighters makes the most sense to me. Terminators progammed to do just one thing - kill John Connor - take over the minds of resistance fighters who go back in time where there are terminators trying to kill John Connor and then they DON'T kill John Connor? That just doesn't make sense. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Michelle67D
Michelle67D
27. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 20 2008, 8:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 20 2008, 8:20 PM EDT
"Oh yeah I forgot that.

I'm also curious what role Derek meeting Andy Goode played in Derek killing Andy. Sarah was angry about the killing, but I'm assuming Derek killed past Andy to save Andy from the future suffering he would have over causing the destruction he brought to humankind. (Assuming I have the effects of Terminator time travel right.)"
That's an interesting way of looking at it.

I kinda looked at it as almost revenge -- that Derek blamed Andy for what happened to him in the basement -- that if Andy hadn't invented the turk none of it would have happened to him(Derek).

Not saying that I don't think that he wasn't also doing it to stop skynet -- but I do think he harbored ill will towards Andy because of the basement -- whatever it was that happened to him it must have been devestating.
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Circa08
28. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 24 2008, 9:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2008, 9:05 AM EDT
Is it just me or does the music in the basement, sound the same as the music cameron is ballet dancing to? 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

LiquidMetal
29. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 24 2008, 10:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2008, 10:03 AM EDT
"Is it just me or does the music in the basement, sound the same as the music cameron is ballet dancing to?"
I believe it's been established in other threads that it is in fact the same music.
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LiquidMetal
30. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 24 2008, 12:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2008, 12:04 PM EDT
"That was Chopin wasn't it?
I think they had naughty....*slaps himself* Grr...watch it buddy!!!
Ahem. I think they probably had some 'work' done to them. Not sure what. But I noticed how all of them at first with the centurions flying over cringed at the sound they made. And after they came back from the House of Fun below they kinda looked as if they had resigned or something. Maybe, if my preciouse, was there she showed them that Skynet would win eventually. In order to prep Derek & Co for their mission into the past to abort Skynets birth."
Yep, the music was Frédéric Chopin's Nocturne in C-sharp minor.
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creeperx7
creeperx7
31. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 24 2008, 12:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2008, 12:53 PM EDT
im pretty sure i know what happend in the basement, the robots put trackers in them, i think thats how the terminators followed the resistent fighters to the past. its just my thery 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
32. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 24 2008, 1:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2008, 1:24 PM EDT
"Well, why isn't John dead yet then? Nah, I think it'd be more subtle than that anyway. Perhaps just getting people to do disobey orders would be enough. It'd result in all kinds of problems, from discipline problems to fights and disagreements about policy. Future John is, as far as we know, the one and only real commander. He has his subordinates, but he's really in charge. I also don't think he operates by consensus, no committees and whatnot. What he says, goes. So if people start to rebel against his authority, the whole resistance becomes fragmented."
I know he is mysterious. He may be slowly developing these emotions/mission objectives subliminally. Threw these liquid metal Nano bots. But hey it's just an idea.
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Bearsrule18
33. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 24 2008, 1:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2008, 1:42 PM EDT
I agree with people thinking that was a resistance operation, trying to see if they were reliable. Do you find this valuable?    
seanfarley
seanfarley
34. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 24 2008, 4:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2008, 4:59 PM EDT
Can Cameron shape shift like the T-1000. I mean if this is supposed to take place after Terminator 2, then the technology has been developed and just because Cameron hasn't done it yet, doesn't mean she can't. So Cameron has assumed the identity of a woman that Derek was in love with but was killed by an infilitrator. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

LiquidMetal
35. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 24 2008, 6:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2008, 6:55 PM EDT
"Can Cameron shape shift like the T-1000. I mean if this is supposed to take place after Terminator 2, then the technology has been developed and just because Cameron hasn't done it yet, doesn't mean she can't. So Cameron has assumed the identity of a woman that Derek was in love with but was killed by an infilitrator. "
The general consensus is Skynet only built one T-1000 (i.e., liquid metal). Even Arnold in T2 made mention that it was an advanced prototype. Like others have said, Skynet didn't totally trust it owns creations.
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brickshipyard
brickshipyard
36. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 24 2008, 7:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2008, 7:50 PM EDT
"That was Chopin wasn't it?
I think they had naughty....*slaps himself* Grr...watch it buddy!!!
Ahem. I think they probably had some 'work' done to them. Not sure what. But I noticed how all of them at first with the centurions flying over cringed at the sound they made. And after they came back from the House of Fun below they kinda looked as if they had resigned or something. Maybe, if my preciouse, was there she showed them that Skynet would win eventually. In order to prep Derek & Co for their mission into the past to abort Skynets birth."
hmmm I really like your thoughts on this DrMabuse because it seems more realistic than the scenario having John "test" who he can trust through a Terminator tortured smoke screen. Or do you believe John was behind this? You are not clear enough on this point, however I think we both agree that Cameron was down in the basement because her origins are mysterious... perhaps she is from Skynet and was learning about humans before she went back into the past to protect John. Hmmm one can only wonder for now. Yet, here is what I think about the music torturing basing my case on evidence from the movie. A) the location is WAYYYY too exposed to be done by the Resistance. If you think about it, that would be like a giant party house just begging some Terminators to stop in and check it out. Its an erect house/building among rubble, pretty obvious, yes? B) The Rubber Skin Terminator and the Terminator that originally captured Derek by all had to be working for skynet- how they acted and how they chained the humans for transport to the music house. Also, why have a rubber skin terminator be the admin for the torture? Maybe at that point in the war, he isn't useful in many other roles... C) Those flying Machines overhead that make the prisoners uncomfortable, gotta be 100% skynet and if they had detected some humans they would kill them summarily. So yeah, beyond who it was behind this fascinating scene, I am not sure what to make of the music. Perhaps it is Skynet trying to learn on human culture in the only way it can, by studying human reaction. How it would use this information I can only speculate... perhaps this is where Cameron comes in as some one has pointed out.
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seanfarley
seanfarley
37. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 25 2008, 8:45 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2008, 8:45 AM EDT
Well I always keep an open mind when it comes to plots on television. At first I was like "What, Kyle had a brother, come on now, don't reach" but after a while Derek has grown on me. Do you find this valuable?    
dukeofpuke
dukeofpuke
38. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 25 2008, 10:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2008, 10:38 AM EDT
They could all have been made to dance ballet in the basement. Sort of explained Derek's reaction to Cameron dancing ballet in her room. 0  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

LiquidMetal
39. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 25 2008, 12:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2008, 12:40 PM EDT
To me, when Derek was walking out, he looked like he was in a state of shock. Could be the following:

Cameron used to be a female fighter (possibly John's daughter), and Derek was in love with her. In order to save her "life" John used Skynet's technology to rebuild Cameron. John brought Derek to the basement to reveal that Cameron was still "alive".

Derek is having some real personal issues with interacting with someone that used to be human, and probably has some resentment for future AND present John.
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