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seanfarley
seanfarley
40. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 25 2008, 12:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2008, 12:51 PM EDT
"To me, when Derek was walking out, he looked like he was in a state of shock. Could be the following:

Cameron used to be a female fighter (possibly John's daughter), and Derek was in love with her. In order to save her "life" John used Skynet's technology to rebuild Cameron. John brought Derek to the basement to reveal that Cameron was still "alive".

Derek is having some real personal issues with interacting with someone that used to be human, and probably has some resentment for future AND present John.
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Yes, that's something along the lines I was thinking too, just not the John having a daughter thing but that works even better. But wouldn't that make Derek and Cameron kinda "related" Ewwwwwww.
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FrenchFanofTSCC
FrenchFanofTSCC
41. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 25 2008, 1:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2008, 1:02 PM EDT
its very good question,what is the connection with derek and cameron ?
i think in season 2,the things gonne be clear about ream Mission of Cameron,and she said to John that she lie to him sometimes,and what else ? quick saison 2 to come !
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Nihilist
Nihilist
42. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 26 2008, 1:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2008, 1:46 PM EDT
"Metal" yes Derek did shout metal, but that doesn't really mean that he'd seen Cameron before, remember Kyle said that it is possible to spot the infiltrator units if you know what to look for, the ones with human skins are harder, but it can be done.

But to elaberate on a few theories, I don't think it's feasible that she was using Derek to make herself heal faster, look how long it to the hunter to regrow his skin from the exoskeleton out. But I do think that it has to do with genetics, the terminators have John's blood on file, maybe there testing to see if they can find his father and kill him, like they tried to do with Sara in the first one, John Connor is well protected, but nobody knew that Kyle was his father, why would the resistance spend time trying to protect him??

I would also like to point out that if skynet was built by the government then it would have all the info the government had up to that point. genetics research, and more importantly biological warfare data, perhaps instead of fighting the War of the Machines, maybe they have decided to breed a supervirus that will kill the inhabitants of Earth, a biological judgment day instead of a Nuclear one. Maybe skynet was using Derek and the others to mutate the virus in order to insure max exposure, or maybe Skynet decided to use Derek as a carrier for the virus, making him patient zero for a biological holocaust.

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Nihilist
Nihilist
43. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 26 2008, 2:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2008, 2:02 PM EDT
"Can Cameron shape shift like the T-1000. I mean if this is supposed to take place after Terminator 2, then the technology has been developed and just because Cameron hasn't done it yet, doesn't mean she can't. So Cameron has assumed the identity of a woman that Derek was in love with but was killed by an infilitrator. "
# I hadn't thought of this, but I find it unlikely since John operated on Cameron in order to bring down the stop lights. (sorry I forget the name of the program) he removed part of her skin, and she did have the steel endoskeleton of a 101 type terminator, so I find it unlikely, she may be like the T-X and be a hybrid model, but that leaves us back to the problem of the operation.

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Nihilist
Nihilist
44. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 26 2008, 2:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2008, 2:06 PM EDT
"Well I always keep an open mind when it comes to plots on television. At first I was like "What, Kyle had a brother, come on now, don't reach" but after a while Derek has grown on me. "
Never did it say that Kyle didn't have a brother... but I have to agree with you, it just struck me as odd that Derek was Kyle's older brother, and I understand why from a storytelling standpoint if Kyle were to have a brother he would have to be older, but Michael Bien, totally looks older than the guy who plays Derek.
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LiquidMetal
45. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 26 2008, 3:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2008, 3:09 PM EDT
""Metal" yes Derek did shout metal, but that doesn't really mean that he'd seen Cameron before, remember Kyle said that it is possible to spot the infiltrator units if you know what to look for, the ones with human skins are harder, but it can be done.

But to elaberate on a few theories, I don't think it's feasible that she was using Derek to make herself heal faster, look how long it to the hunter to regrow his skin from the exoskeleton out. But I do think that it has to do with genetics, the terminators have John's blood on file, maybe there testing to see if they can find his father and kill him, like they tried to do with Sara in the first one, John Connor is well protected, but nobody knew that Kyle was his father, why would the resistance spend time trying to protect him??

I would also like to point out that if skynet was built by the government then it would have all the info the government had up to that point. genetics research, and more importantly biological warfare data, perhaps instead of fighting the War of the Machines, maybe they have decided to breed a supervirus that will kill the inhabitants of Earth, a biological judgment day instead of a Nuclear one. Maybe skynet was using Derek and the others to mutate the virus in order to insure max exposure, or maybe Skynet decided to use Derek as a carrier for the virus, making him patient zero for a biological holocaust.

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At the time Derek shouted "metal" I don't think he had gone to the basement yet. He was reacting to Cameron as a Terminator. In the basement is when he found out the true nature of Cameron.
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seanfarley
seanfarley
46. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Mar 26 2008, 3:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2008, 3:23 PM EDT
"Never did it say that Kyle didn't have a brother... but I have to agree with you, it just struck me as odd that Derek was Kyle's older brother, and I understand why from a storytelling standpoint if Kyle were to have a brother he would have to be older, but Michael Bien, totally looks older than the guy who plays Derek. "
I feel ya on that one. Not to mention Michael Bien is a complete bad ass anyway. It's wierd cause I think of Kyle as the tougher of the two...thus far anyway, but he was a sergaent and Derek is a Lt....come on John, get your better guys the promotions :)
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Iseerobots
47. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 4 2008, 3:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 4 2008, 3:21 PM EDT
"To me, when Derek was walking out, he looked like he was in a state of shock. Could be the following:

Cameron used to be a female fighter (possibly John's daughter), and Derek was in love with her. In order to save her "life" John used Skynet's technology to rebuild Cameron. John brought Derek to the basement to reveal that Cameron was still "alive".

Derek is having some real personal issues with interacting with someone that used to be human, and probably has some resentment for future AND present John)))



Honestly I believe that cameron was in that basement but I dont think it had anything to do with john. if you remember what was dereks cheif concern when he got to johns main camp. "where is my brother" he didnt give a crap about john or what happened in that basement. i think maybe he was just tortured for information about his hideout....which got destroyed....then they let them go so they can follow them to the next hideout. which again got hit by a terminator while derek was there (it got taken out by cameron.)
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Michelle67D
Michelle67D
48. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 4 2008, 3:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 4 2008, 3:37 PM EDT
I think it may highly be likely that Cameron may look like someone that Derek once knew considering that Cromartie has shown us that they can take on the appearance of human beings.

Whether she is a copy of a previous human that Derek knew that died or actually infiltrated the resistance in some way and fooled Derek I think that he may have found out for the first time that she was a machine in the basement.

And as for being concerned about his brother that's just Derek -- whatever happened in the basement has evidently scarred him -- proof being that he has told no one -- and I mean -no one- what happened.

He even told Sarah that John didn't know everything -- proving that he probably didn't even tell John what happened in the basement. If it was such a life altering moment that could have shed some light on the machines and what they are up to why didn't he say anything. Because evidently it's too horrifying for him to face (or shameful whatever might be the case).
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c96
49. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 4 2008, 5:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 4 2008, 5:08 PM EDT
I think Cameron gave them a lap dance then sent them back. 2  out of 8 found this valuable. Do you?    

Iseerobots
50. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 4 2008, 5:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 4 2008, 5:38 PM EDT
You do have a point there I forgot about that line to sarah about john not knowing everything. Makes you wonder what could have been terrible enough to make him not tell anyone. Im going with shame on this one because if it was just a horrific event he would have warned someone. I think he doesnt want anyone to know what happend in that basement either to protect them from it or to protect himself from whatever he may or may not have done. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Michelle67D
Michelle67D
51. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 4 2008, 6:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 4 2008, 6:35 PM EDT
"I think Cameron gave them a lap dance then sent them back."
lol.

Of course it may have something to do with sex (don't know if they'd go that far but they might) -- Derek did call them twisted when Sarah asked Cameron why Vick would protect his wife "like that"(talking about being in that kind of relationship). And I wonder if that was the real reason that Cameron wanted John to see that chip -- that it was about the relationship between Vick and his wife rather than what his mission was. She may have not been sure of what was on it -- but she may have suspected.

With the music they could have been doing a future production of Dancing with the Stars...I mean machines.
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LiquidMetal
52. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 4 2008, 7:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 4 2008, 7:21 PM EDT
""To me, when Derek was walking out, he looked like he was in a state of shock. Could be the following:

Cameron used to be a female fighter (possibly John's daughter), and Derek was in love with her. In order to save her "life" John used Skynet's technology to rebuild Cameron. John brought Derek to the basement to reveal that Cameron was still "alive".

Derek is having some real personal issues with interacting with someone that used to be human, and probably has some resentment for future AND present John)))



Honestly I believe that cameron was in that basement but I dont think it had anything to do with john. if you remember what was dereks cheif concern when he got to johns main camp. "where is my brother" he didnt give a crap about john or what happened in that basement. i think maybe he was just tortured for information about his hideout....which got destroyed....then they let them go so they can follow them to the next hideout. which again got hit by a terminator while derek was there (it got taken out by cameron.) "
These are my exact words from another thread. ???

You cut and pasted rather than "quoted and replied". No problem, but strange to my words.
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Michelle67D
Michelle67D
53. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 4 2008, 7:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 4 2008, 7:57 PM EDT
"These are my exact words from another thread. ???

You cut and pasted rather than "quoted and replied". No problem, but strange to my words.
"
lol. I never heard of that happening before.
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dukejw
dukejw
54. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 5 2008, 5:06 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 5:06 AM EDT
I have said this some where else . In the basement they are taking blood and training RF's, also Sarah Connor is there she cheated death again. Do you find this valuable?    
Stugsy
Stugsy
55. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 9 2008, 1:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2008, 1:12 PM EDT
I think they were interrogated by Cameron before she was reprogrammed by future John, thus the reason between the hostility between the two later in the series.
This could also explain her liking for classical music and why Derek looks upset while he watches Cameron performing ballet, as similar music played in the basement when Derek was forced into the room by the Terminator. (yes, her memory was scrubbed, but what if she has some sort memories of this and Derek?)
What happened in the Basement MUST be revealed in series 2.
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ScifiFreak206
56. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 9 2008, 1:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2008, 1:20 PM EDT
"Strange music could be heard from the basement where Derek Reese was being held. What do you think happened to the Resistance fighters like Derek who were taken into the room below?

Post your ideas here and check out the Sarah Connor Chronicles: Season 2 Predictions page for more dishing and dissecting on Season 1!

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......maybe the machines ran tests on them to c how the human mind reacts to certain things so this way they can record the reactions and answers and learn to mimic them....just a thought.
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SusanWillow
SusanWillow
57. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 9 2008, 4:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2008, 4:37 PM EDT
"I have said this some where else . In the basement they are taking blood and training RF's, also Sarah Connor is there she cheated death again."
Blood collection-yes
training RFs- um maybe
Sarah Connor cheating death again- keep dreaming

=0P =0)
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postal999
58. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 10 2008, 1:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 10 2008, 1:10 AM EDT
Didn't see it posted here yet but to sum it up...Cameron was in the basement. Cameron of the future that is, what she will become, is what those men met down there. The music was left of her memories of the ballet incident. She liked dancing so she continues to dance. The men were being experimented (interviewed) upon but not by skynet, skynet would have killed them as soon as it finished any interogation. They definitely wouldn't be allow to escape, not all of them. When Derrik saw Cameron she was accross the room and he knew immediately that she was a terminator model, That occured after the basement incident. After she had destroyed the terminator at the base she said that "sometimes they go bad, no one knows why". I think the Cameron in the basement might have broken off from skynet (remember in T2 that Arnold's "learning inhibitor" placed on the chip by skynet was removed so he could learn about people) and is doing her own thing in what she considers the best interest of John. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Thecolours
Thecolours
59. RE: What do you think happened in the basement below?
Apr 10 2008, 1:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 10 2008, 1:33 AM EDT
"Didn't see it posted here yet but to sum it up...Cameron was in the basement. Cameron of the future that is, what she will become, is what those men met down there. The music was left of her memories of the ballet incident. She liked dancing so she continues to dance. The men were being experimented (interviewed) upon but not by skynet, skynet would have killed them as soon as it finished any interogation. They definitely wouldn't be allow to escape, not all of them. When Derrik saw Cameron she was accross the room and he knew immediately that she was a terminator model, That occured after the basement incident. After she had destroyed the terminator at the base she said that "sometimes they go bad, no one knows why". I think the Cameron in the basement might have broken off from skynet (remember in T2 that Arnold's "learning inhibitor" placed on the chip by skynet was removed so he could learn about people) and is doing her own thing in what she considers the best interest of John."
I been thinking lately about Cameron's ability to lie, and I've come to the conclusion that she lied to Sarah in Dungeons and Dragons about doing something to Derek in the future. Cameron lied to Sarah because it's not in her best interest to let Sarah or John know because it might compromise her mission, whatever it may be. We still have no idea.
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