"This thread keeps coming back, everyone is mesmerized by what happened down there.

OK, it's fun to speculate, but could the "Cameron down there" theorists clarify one point? By "Cameron" do they mean the same individual that's with Sarah and John now, or are they suggesting that "Basement Cameron" is just one of the many Cameron models (whatever that # is) - that is, NOT the time-jumping Cameron."

"To those who think that those are John's terminators I ask: Then what's with the plane that flies over every now and then? And the last time you see the plane passing over it's hauling an old aircraft engine away. The same looking engine that all those nice metal terminators were dragging through the junk yard. Does John have a multitude of all kinds of terminators at his command now? If not, then those were skynet's ship and terms and they would have "seen" the humans inside the building and blown them to pieces. Just my assessment of the situation."

"They were making skin for terminators. "

"Or were they?"

"Yes because sometimes I wondered if Derek was a terminator. Because he just did things that were wierd somtimes. Like accusing Cameron might be part of his mission to stop John Connor. Derek might not even know this because the information might be subliminaly delivered to his brain in this microchip. They may have put it in his arm by extracting some of his blood and the chip will have got caught in his brain area. They most likely made the chip so that it won't constrict blood flow by making it like a hollow tube. Once near his brain it might logged itself their to deliver to the brain mission objectives and goals subliminally. That why Cameron may have shown John the Chip of Vick because he is a advanced infiltrator. But, Derek might be a new bread of infiltrator. A human one, with human emotions and actual life. Thus being more convinceing than even Vick could. Scarry Huh?

Because when Cameron brought this up I though she was going to say that Derek is a new bread of terminator a Human one controled by Skynet with a microchip.

Just an Idea = )"

"As someone already pointed out, Terminators terminate humans in the future except those running the furnaces. Skynet Terminators don't torture. Torture requires understanding human nature which Skynet's machines seem to disregard. Skynet is trying to make humans extinct, not torture them for info."

"turbo fan engines is what were the terminator were hauling some where. Big,big need of thrust--- Why. No john plays a clean game ."