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Krazykaleb |
140. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
May 7 2008, 1:11 AM EDT
Hi you future finatics I just wanted to let you guys know somthing about time travel!!!I written a interesting story that I think you guys need to read Here is a link and leave comment about what you think about my story on my fan fiction discussion page http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/KrazyKaleb-+Fan+Fiction Do you find this valuable? |
admitch |
141. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
May 7 2008, 6:07 PM EDT
"They are definetly making Skynet more powerful if they keep delaying Judgment Day.Yes, I believe that a self-aware computer is inevitable! This is obvious when you have Dyson, then Andy persuing this line of design. It would continue, no matter what happens. The question lies in the development phase. Andy said the computer became afraid and he could not reassure it - Skynet. However, if the development process was 'guided', perhaps by an advanced cyborg?, what would be possible? The timeline argument is frustrating, But I would add one additional consideration. What if the time travel was not first/earliest time. For instance, what if Kyle's travel back in time was not the first. What if some of the others occurred first. With the weird twists in the time travel theories, anything is possible. Do you find this valuable? |
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admitch |
142. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
May 7 2008, 6:35 PM EDT
"there are 2 theories for effects of time travelling.I pick option 1. This makes perfect sense for time travel in the Terminator series. Take Sarah Connor for instance. Cameron told her she would have died two years earlier, if they had not time traveled. Since time travel is not a natural event and had never been done before in nature, it makes sense that if you existed any point in time you exist in the new time traveled time period. Applying this to a 'paradox', lets take Andy. He would not have told Derek about his involvment (Turk) in Skynet once Derek killed him. Once Derek had killed him, he did not exist in the future any longer but Derek came back in time before Andy was killed. Weird isn't it? Do you find this valuable? |
nachi-wan |
143. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Jun 16 2008, 1:45 PM EDT
of course it has been changed... kyle and derek's life in the future will be different... but surely will arrive to the same end..kyle will go to the past to save sarah.. and derek to i dont know what:P
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jangel008 |
144. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Jun 16 2008, 2:58 PM EDT
"there are 2 theories for effects of time travelling.Time travel is one of my favorite forms of sci fi which may explain my likeing Terminator so much. Time travel is often depicted in contradictory ways. It is complicated that Kyle has to come from the future for John to exist. Didn't time have to exist without John Connor first in order to actually reach the future so that Kyle could be sent back? And what was the plan in this quantum reality where there was not yet a John Connor--to hope you got lucky picking the right woman in the past to father a leader that doesn't even exist yet? If so, then at that point there could be a John Connor in the future for Skynet to go after in the past with the terminator. Maybe Arnie was originally sent back to stop Kyle but once John was born Arnie's mission changed to stop Sarah from giving birth to John. Or, maybe writers just want us to accept things and not analyze it. Here's another example. In Back to the Future 2, Old Biff from the future goes back to 1955 to give himself the almanac which will result in changing 2015 while Doc, Marty, and Jennifer are still in 2015. But when they get in the car to go back to 1985, all that's there is the piece from Old Biff's cane. It isn't until they wind up in the alternate 1985 that the future is different. When Marty wants to go back to 2015 to stop Old Biff, Doc says they can't because they would be going to alternate 2015. But they just came from 2015 that should have been different because Old Biff succeeded in the past. They don't get technical until they're in alternate 1985 about this. I really think most writers don't think this through. If we give up time travel, we give up Terminator because the whole thing is based on time travel. If we let Skynet be defeated once and for all at the end of T2, we give up having the SCC to enjoy. Basically, to enjoy this show and the movies, we have to accept something about time travel that wasn't thought through! Do you find this valuable? |
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KrelleK |
145. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Jun 16 2008, 6:20 PM EDT
"Time travel is one of my favorite forms of sci fi which may explain my likeing Terminator so much. Time travel is often depicted in contradictory ways. It is complicated that Kyle has to come from the future for John to exist. Didn't time have to exist without John Connor first in order to actually reach the future so that Kyle could be sent back? And what was the plan in this quantum reality where there was not yet a John Connor--to hope you got lucky picking the right woman in the past to father a leader that doesn't even exist yet? If so, then at that point there could be a John Connor in the future for Skynet to go after in the past with the terminator. Maybe Arnie was originally sent back to stop Kyle but once John was born Arnie's mission changed to stop Sarah from giving birth to John. Or, maybe writers just want us to accept things and not analyze it.Cannot remember if this my own idea, or some of all of you, but If the time had gone through one time without time travel, well that would raise some issues, certainly, like in that case Joh would not have been born? right!! when it hit me, what If sarah got a Child with another reese boy, like the reese boys father in that case the DNA would be the same, except Kyle reeses mothers ofcause, or a brother the reese brothers father. Just a thought, had read somewhere that some kind of natural law, would interfere, if you tried you kill you granpa/granmothers, before your parents were born, so you would not be to do so like all of sudden a stone would fall out of the blue and hit the gun or you self, so you cannot do what you intended to do. Do you find this valuable? |
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jangel008 |
146. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Jun 17 2008, 11:06 AM EDT
I FOUND THE FOLLOWING ON ANOTHER SITE. HE WROTE SO MUCH IT WILL TAKE THREE OR FOUR POSTINGS TO PASTE ALL HE WROTE:Fraankly, i think there is a first time, otherwise the concept of time has no meaning. I think that human nature as it is now, gave rise to the machines. Not destiny the first time around, but cause and effect. and in that imeline john connor was born to someone likely before the war. Let's face it, cyberdiyne exisited before the skynet or terminator project.. before the chips..etc. Supposedly that was the factory sarah and kyle entered @ the end of t1. Well that makes sense thet it was located in LA because the story and war start in LA. Ok, we all know that Sarah was being modest when she said if John never sent reese, he could never be.. this is b.s. She is a good looking girls with transportation, and a job in L.A. with a roomate with a boyufriend and dating a giy with a porsche.. ang likely to dat other guys with sports cars. More likely than not, she would have met man or husband and had a child. As for the name, In 84, she hadn'e given it thought yet. John seemed surprsising for that reason, but she seemed to take to the name. If she didn't like the name, it woul dbe likely to had been different. The mother typically chooses the names. Anyway in the initial timeline i think she gets married and has a son and human beings start experimenting with Artificical intellegence just like matrix. TO BE CONTINUED IN ANOTHER POSTING . . . Do you find this valuable? |
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jangel008 |
147. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Jun 17 2008, 11:07 AM EDT
CONTINUING WHAT OTHER GUY SAID . . .approx 35 or 4o years from 84 which vaugely is 2024 or 2029 which is the date shown in the beginning althiugh we jsut see hks but nothing really happening when the time is shown. But it is not destiny..ai develops and in a period of time, skynet is developed, which kickstarted the war. In the war, many people 3 billion i think die. one of which is sarahs' lovers and the father of hers son. It is unclear if sarah dies before the war.. Legend has it that she went in hiding before the war. Father dies, maybe sarah does, in L.A. survisvors surface and of course kyle reeses' parents who are survivors have a chld, kyle who is born into poverty and becomes a soldier. Among the survivors @ the brink of extinction, sarah's gutsy offspring decides to take some action and thus begins a legend. Sarah, in any event has a child and a normal life with a boyfriend or husband, maybe starting a family. We dont' know if it is the 2nd or 3rd go around in t1, but we do know that skynet was unaware of the csm-101 failure and thus had to been the first attempt @ sendinf that particular termnator to that time to kill the mother of the resistance leader. If we assume it is the first time around? TO BE CONTINUED IN ANOTHER POSTING . . . Do you find this valuable? |
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jangel008 |
148. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Jun 17 2008, 11:08 AM EDT
CONTINUING WHAT OTHER GUY SAID . . . Sarah, Late for work and with a no show date takes a leave of absence for personal where she is to meet a guy who is johns' father. The picture of sarah in the future is sarah vacationing in mexico. John grows up nomal, until the war hits..and he is a survivor. In the future, he learns that skynet after loosing the war sent a cyborg back to kill sarah, and he decides to send not only one of his bset soldiers, but upon seeing her photo, falls in love with sarah, the mother of the legend, john connor. She is kyles young age and is sad in the photo, cause she has no one in her life and is ready to settle down. Kyle in love and well qualified and never having a relationship and never seeing a woman other than another soldier who is petite, somewhat happy go lucky and feminine and pretty, volunteers to go and upon kyles' departure @ the skynet facility, john connors destroys 2 the time diplacement equipment bays that the csm 101 and kyle used.. unaware of what he will find througout the rest of the cyberdine complex. Kyle goes in and joins in on the events that the csm-101 has disturbred...killing other sarah connors which convinces her to leave the pizza joint and upon seeing kyle tyies to loose him in the club. TO BE CONTINUED IN ANOTHER POSTING . . . Do you find this valuable? |
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jangel008 |
149. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Jun 17 2008, 11:09 AM EDT
CONTINUING WHAT OTHER GUY SAID . . .The rest is history. In the future, within moments, the war has been moved forward, thus resulting in a date of august 29 1997 and 2029 for the span of the war....Skynet somewhat aware @ the failure of csm101 being more advanced dut to the jumpstart provideb by the cpu from the first termiantor calculate to use the experiemental mimetic polyalloy under design @ the time just before the fall of skynet. With not time for full testing, skynet sends the prototype instead to kill the target itself, in a hope to imcrase the probablility of sucess.. with the target itself and a more deadly assassin. Reese aware that his father cannot stop the t-1000 discovers the time displacement bays @ the fallen skynet installation. John requests a thorough search of the facility for weapons and info to stop the t1000 .. finds some info downloaded from the computer and his team comes across the csm-101 assembly line. The units produce on the particluar conveyor are or the 101 sort with the arnold complexion and apperaance package. Ther are only 3 complete unit 2 programmed and 2 ready to be programmed:none activated. One is sent back downlooaed in it's port with somw info on the t-1000 and it's mission objectives. Kyle reese is told he must stay behind to help destory the remaining evidence of the skynet AI andAI reserech hoping the techlonlogy whould never be redeveloped, ever. TO BE CONTINUED IN ANOTHER POSTING . . . . Do you find this valuable? |
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jangel008 |
150. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Jun 17 2008, 11:14 AM EDT
FINISHING WHAT OTHER GUY SAID . . .The t-1000 fails and during the process, judgement dayhad been delayed due to the efforts of john connor the t-101, miles dyson, and sarah. Skynet givnen more time, war moved later back becomes aware from the events of 1991 that john and t-800 became allies and uses this fact to assasinate john connor in the present fooling john connor to trust a t800 with the same apperance and familiar mannerisams as the one that john befriended at age 10. Meanwhile, roduced, but rather anothe experimental terminaor, designed to prevent interferance by other re programmed terminators. Skynet vaugely familiar with the statictially poor operation sucess percentage, the t-1000 is never mass produced, but better a unit that had the attributes of both the more sucessful unit t-800 and the complete shape shifting abilities of the t-1000..with a plasma cannon included...the tx. With John connor eliminated, brewster programs another of the completed terminators in the fallen skynet facility and sends it back to ensure johns survival as long as it is necessary to ensure john is alive just long enought to start and lead the resistance to the war. The rest is history! bring on t4! END OF WHAT OTHER GUY SAID I HAD TO DO IT THIS WAY BECAUSE OF THE LIMIT OF HOW MANY CHARACTERS THERE CAN BE IN A POSTING. I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID, BUT I CONTINUE TO HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE "FIRST TIME" SITUATION. I FEEL LIKE SARAH CONNOR HAS A KID THE FIRST TIME AROUND WHO GROWS UP TO BE THE RESISTANCE LEADER. AT SOME POINT IN A CYCLE OF TIME LOOPS, KYLE GOES BACK TO PROTECT SARAH PLANTING THE IDEA FOR THE NAME JOHN. SHE GIVES BIRTH TO A JOHN WHO IS TRAINED TO BE A RESISTANCE LEADER. I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA THAT 1997 MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ORIGINAL JUDGMENT DAY BUT THAT PEOPLE EXPERIMENTING WITH TECHNOLOGY CAUSED A FUTURE WAR AND THAT THE REMAINS OF THE T1 TERMINATOR SPED THINGS UP RESULTING IN THE 1997 JUDGMENT DAY. Do you find this valuable? |
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jangel008 |
151. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Jun 17 2008, 11:19 AM EDT
THIS GUY ALSO TREATED T3 LIKE HOW THE STORY WENT INSTEAD OF IT BEING ALTERNATE STORY LIKE THE PRODUCERS OF SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES ARE SAYING, AND I THINK HE WROTE HIS RESPONSE BEFORE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES BECAME A REALTY.I ALSO LIKE A SEPARATE IDEA FROM A POSTING IN THIS DISCUSSION GROUP THAT MAYBE KYLE REESE'S DAD OR SOMEONE WHO COULD CONTRIBUTE THE RIGHT DNA THE "FIRST TIME" RESULTED IN JOHN BEING BORN THE FIRST TIME BUT THAT THINGS CHANGED WHEN KYLE CHASED THE TERMINATOR BACK TO 1984 IN T1 WHICH RESULTED IN KYLE BEING THE FATHER. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF IT. I KNOW IT'S JUST MOVIES AND SHOWS, BUT I HAVE TROUBLE WITH A FUTURE THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET CAUSING SOMETHING TO HAPPEN IN THE PAST. I FEEL THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY THAT THE FUTURE HAD TO BE REACHED FOR KYLE TO BE SENT BACK TO CHANGE THE PAST. Do you find this valuable? |
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Krazykaleb |
152. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Jun 17 2008, 7:08 PM EDT
The Definition of Paradox is Follows:"The Seemingly Contradictory Theory." We can see this as the problem of Time Travel. I feel that Time travel as a concept may be to big for us to understand. We will never be able to grasp this until real time travel is performed. Which is very unlikely. With that in mind I would like to say that in the Relms of Scientific Theories and Science-Fiction. We need to let our imaginations guide us in this respect. In other words don't complicate things by makeing to many rules. I mean that from present day conscienceness we can see that we can make choices in every day life. And that now and then random results. So I would like to say that in this genre or theory that Anything is possible. This would mean that new ideas are always thrown out there for us to take in. Somtimes some of the coolest ideas are ones that are based purely of fiction. I'm just saying that don't make this to complicated for the average viewer or fan. Use the KISS method and I think everyone can make there own assumptions on the matter. Sort of like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey's ending. We all need to make our own assuptions and share it with each other. So nobodies theory is better than anybody else. But remember this. THE FUTURE CAN BE CHANGED. IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE IN THE TERMINATOR World. If you need a better example you can read my Story: I pose some interesting contraversy about Time Travel that you may find interesting http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/page/KrazyKaleb-+Fan+Fiction But don't take my word for it. Read it. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
intrepid |
153. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 24 2009, 8:27 PM EDT
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I've been vindicated......sort of.I have argued previously that we are dealing with a single changeable time line without paradoxes type of time travel. It would seem I was correct, whoot! While Ashely Miller doesn't say, “this is how it works,” he certainly doesn't correct the interviewer who asks the question based on the same idea of how it works that I have. CA: OK, here's a bit of a geeky question but it just shows that the writers of the show are thinking about this stuff too. The show explains that time travel doesn't create paradoxes, instead it creates new future timelines that seem to rewrite over the ones that Sarah, John and Derek remember. Was this a conscious decision made early on that you guys had to figure out, and then explain to the audiences (for instance, when Derek explains to Jesse that what happened in his future isn't the same as what she remembers happened)? Does this kind of rule for time travel make it easier or harder for your team and coming up with stories? AEM:This was a very conscious decision on Josh's part, and it's inherent to the premise of the show. Not to say it didn't lead to many long, brain-torching discussions in the writer's room. We called them "the rabbit hole" -- you have to go down there, but who the fuck is the guy in the hat? You know? Given that, rules makes it much easier to write stories. A strong rule creates drama because all the characters live within the rule. Compare the stultifying technobabble on Voyager with the elegant problem-solving of the original Star Trek -- one show existed in a world where rerouting the EPS conduits could fix most anything; the other show featured characters who had to let Edith Keeler die to save the future. There's a vast difference between the two, and I'm so happy to be part of something that leans toward the latter. Do you find this valuable? |
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intrepid |
154. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 24 2009, 8:28 PM EDT
Continued...Funny that you mention Derek and Jesse, because I think that was probably the best expression of the rule in action. It turned an intellectual idea into an emotional one. We've all had an experience where someone we think we know turns out to be someone else entirely, in terms of who they are and what they do. People close to us can have experiences we don't know about, that we can't understand. Profound experiences that shape them in non-deterministic ways. Jesse lost a child. Derek executed his best friend. It's just incredibly powerful stuff. It made every trip down the rabbit hole worth the time and effort. Another example (filed under "happy"): Derek and John sitting on a park bench, watching young Derek and Kyle play an innocent game of baseball. In context -- the looming end of the world, the tragedies that will shape those boys -- is there any moment in the show that's more lovely? If you can't change fate, there is no hope. I like to think that's what this show is all about. The fans agree, I think. http://coronacomingattractions.com/news/exclusive-interview-terminator-sarah-connor-chronicles-co-producer-ashley-edward-miller Do you find this valuable? |
