"People always have a choice. It just depends on who influences you and your morals weather you do one thing or the other. I think Sarah Chosed to go with the plan because she feels maybe that's what Future John Connor wants. Or she could have chosen to not go. And stay.

But we do know for a fact that the future has changed. Skynet hasn't been gone active yet. Because this series totally parrallels the third movie (rise of machines) in a different time demension (parrallel demension). Wheather it's a paradox like you say is still to be determined by the writers. Depending on how THEY want to end it. I personnaly think that if sky net is allow/created. That it may become good. We still can't know for sure.

May I ask if you have seen Deja Vu or Back to the future Trilogy?
You will realize that with time travel anything is possible. I hate to say it but it's almost like your playing God with your life. And I belive the reason why in real life we can't time travel is because of God. But that is just me. Because with regard to John Connor being the Son to Kyle Reese. Kyle Reese didn't have to technically be Johns dad. Because I think if John wasn't born. Sarah Connor would have been the leader to the resistance. Then later on if she had kids. They would have obviouslly been the successors to being the new boss or captain.

Just throwing out more ideas for you guys to kill youselves over.

with respect,
KrazyKaleb"

"see thats where it gets stupid, if future can be changed, then that means there should be ripples of changes throughout time. by blowing up cyberdyne, there should be no more judgement day or at least it should happen differently. like i said earlier, writters included both time as a dynamic thing, AND static. on one hand judgement day is inevidable, on the other, u could change things..... it gets confusing.

most popular theory is that time is the 4th dimension, if we were to ingore the other 3 (the 3 dimensions that we occupy) then time is like a line a piece of paper. ok u know what the best illustration would be back to the future 2, when doc brown explained it. basically if u have a tangent at any point, u've effectively changed the future. there should be no question that the future can be altered, if so there is no reason as to why judgement day is inevitable.
lets take TSCC storeline for example, if we know that skynet nuked the world because it couldn't get reassurance from andy goode, why can't we go back in time & reassure it? or smash it? no skynet, no judgement day (i dont like calling it jd, i think jack daniel's when i see jd, no jd is not a good thing :P)
or in T3, if u send some one back, tell general brewster (or some thing like that) not to connect skynet to the nuke control switch and that it was the reason why everything electronic is breaking down, u've just prevented judgement day
and u would think there should be differences in the outcome and order of events when u delay judgement day"

"Right on with the statement of the Ideas from Back to the Future. It's about time sombody understands the Alternate relitity theory. The tangent theory. As you say. Yes Finnaly another person who knows what I'm talking about! With the tangent theory their is no such thing as predestination."

"Exactly!!! That's what I have been trying to tell these simpletons here! When an event has already occurred, you cannot unmake it, but you can make a 'spinoff' of the original temporal line, which exists by and of it's own self, because if Judgment day never happened and they had succeeded in stopping it at any point in time, then there never would have been a reason for Reese to go back and then, John would never have been born and then, Skynet would have never been and no one would be wiser. But the fact that they are aware shows that it did happen and although some details may be changeable, major events may be static. After all, the simplest way for Skynet to get rid of Connor would have been to never travel back. then, Kyle would never have gone and he never would have been born. WHAAM! Skynet wins! But it did not, so that is proof that it did happen. If time travel worked another way, you would find people fading in and out of existence everytime you turned around. that would get creepy after a while, specially after you came and went with new memories a few times!"

"Exactly!!! That's what I have been trying to tell these simpletons here! When an event has already occurred, you cannot unmake it, but you can make a 'spinoff' of the original temporal line, which exists by and of it's own self, because if Judgment day never happened and they had succeeded in stopping it at any point in time, then there never would have been a reason for Reese to go back and then, John would never have been born and then, Skynet would have never been and no one would be wiser. But the fact that they are aware shows that it did happen and although some details may be changeable, major events may be static. After all, the simplest way for Skynet to get rid of Connor would have been to never travel back. then, Kyle would never have gone and he never would have been born. WHAAM! Skynet wins! But it did not, so that is proof that it did happen. If time travel worked another way, you would find people fading in and out of existence everytime you turned around. that would get creepy after a while, specially after you came and went with new memories a few times!"

"i think only krazykaleb knows what im talkin about -.-

THINK when mcfly & doc brown realized their 1985 was gone, they went back to 1955 & prevented the events that led to changes. when doc brown drew the diagram he was suggesting there's parallel timelines too, but to a person, u can only exist in one time line at a time, so it wouldnt mater if there's infinite parallel universes out there. to u, ur actions in the past will change the future u will eventually arrive at. skynet is also a temporal paradox since IF the 1984 terminator didnt get crushed, leaving a damaged CPU behind, no revolutionary break through would be made & therefore skynet wouldnt exist any way. that, in fact should be human's short cut to victory.
if time travel is possible, then NOTHING will be static. to prevent an event such as andy's turk, it would be as easy as give him alot of coffee at the night that he's suppose to have weird dreams about the turk's codes (he mentioned some codes came to him in dreams) that even might exist still, but it will NOT make a difference to the time traveller because the future would not be the same one that u left from.

the only way for things to stay static would be what happened in the army of the 12 monkeys (or some thing like that). otherwise, FUTURE CAN BE CHANGED!!!!! (relatively speaking)"

"No problem.

The best explaination for people in simple terms is that changeing the future requires action and changes. Thus my example of a boat heading on a strait course to judement day. But they are like trying to rain on the ocean to make the boat change course. But it doesn't take one drop of water it takes a lot. Then this results in a gradual change in time. The idea of still seeing people still being sent back in time means that the boat hasn't been altered of its course enough.

Hope that lightens things up for the average person. Because I can get a little to technical with people somtimes.

with respect,
KrazyKaleb"

"i think we killed this thread kaleb...... i think we went too technical, this last page is basically dominated by us :P"