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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
80. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Mar 31 2008, 1:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2008, 1:29 PM EDT
"Sorry to keep bursting bubbles but…..
OK parallel dimensions and branching time travel theories. The first purposes that for any moment in time there are infinite possibilities playing out in alternative dimensions paralleling our own, this is what was shown in Sliders, Stargate, StarTrek, and numerous other TV shows and film, while not about time travel per se it does bare some similarities to the branching time line time travel stories where if you went back in time this creates a change which causes the traveller to branch off into a parallel dimension similar to one you came from but taking into account the changes your being there caused. This in no way affects the original timeline you come from and that is why it can’t be the time travel used in this show. Everyone seems to be looking at the end result of time travel and not the reason for it “being” in the first place! (Insert exasperation) Why would skynet or future John even bother to send anyone back if they simply branch off into a parallel dimension when they arrive? It just doest make any sense for them to go to all that trouble when it ultimately wouldn’t benefit them!"
Crack More paradoxes!

I think we are going to eventually have to acept the fact that we cant totally explain this. This is because we are just coming up with more ideas/theories (which I enjoy doing). I just getting to the point where I just think Sci-Fiction plays a role in this story. Because before you know it we are going to convice ourselves that this show could never happen.

All I say is that Time travel in its simple form can be explained the best by Back to the Future. Until we have some Genius come up with somthing better. Because trully I think the story sucks if you have skynet win all the time. Then it makes the series pointless.

But hey does anybody else have any ideas how the future could be changed or prevented?
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crottyjr@yahoo.com
81. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Mar 31 2008, 4:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2008, 4:41 PM EDT
"Crack More paradoxes!

I think we are going to eventually have to acept the fact that we cant totally explain this. This is because we are just coming up with more ideas/theories (which I enjoy doing). I just getting to the point where I just think Sci-Fiction plays a role in this story. Because before you know it we are going to convice ourselves that this show could never happen.

All I say is that Time travel in its simple form can be explained the best by Back to the Future. Until we have some Genius come up with somthing better. Because trully I think the story sucks if you have skynet win all the time. Then it makes the series pointless.

But hey does anybody else have any ideas how the future could be changed or prevented?"
I still think JC is actually Clark Kent, the son of Jor El. That's really why Skynet got so desperate it had to send someone back in time to stop him. He did not know his secret identity then and now Skynet's even more confused, with CK calling himself John Connor, Superman and the T1000 going by the name Brainiac. I would go nuts too.
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
82. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Mar 31 2008, 4:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2008, 4:47 PM EDT
"I still think JC is actually Clark Kent, the son of Jor El. That's really why Skynet got so desperate it had to send someone back in time to stop him. He did not know his secret identity then and now Skynet's even more confused, with CK calling himself John Connor, Superman and the T1000 going by the name Brainiac. I would go nuts too. "
I just can't see them putting superman in it. If John Connor is superman. Why doesn't he just kill cromartie with his super powers. No offence but this is not right.
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crottyjr@yahoo.com
83. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Mar 31 2008, 6:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2008, 6:37 PM EDT
"I just can't see them putting superman in it. If John Connor is superman. Why doesn't he just kill cromartie with his super powers. No offence but this is not right."
Clark Kent did not just spring up with his super-powers out of nowhere. He had to develop them. Maybe JC has not developed his heat vision yet and gone to the fortress of solitude and found out who his real father is?
When he does, then Skynet will get it's ass kicked!
After that, he will change his name and go to work for the Daily planet as Clark Kent and meet Lois Lane?
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
84. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Mar 31 2008, 8:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2008, 8:38 PM EDT
"Clark Kent did not just spring up with his super-powers out of nowhere. He had to develop them. Maybe JC has not developed his heat vision yet and gone to the fortress of solitude and found out who his real father is?
When he does, then Skynet will get it's ass kicked!
After that, he will change his name and go to work for the Daily planet as Clark Kent and meet Lois Lane?"
what does this have to do with time travel?
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combatzn1
combatzn1
85. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 2 2008, 2:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2008, 2:04 AM EDT
"Remember that Judgment Day was supposed to happen back in 97. But now it's been changed (what was it to like 2011?)
Anyway remember at the very beginning of the season finale you see Kyle and his bro playing ball and you see the missles in the sky. Later on in the episode you see them both at nearly the same age.
THIS MEANS THAT THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!! NOT AS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE (like T-3) BUT TO WHERE EVEN KYLE'S BROS MEMORY HAS BEEN ALTERED!!!"
The many-worlds interpretation of Quantum Mechanics predicts the existance of an infinite number of universes and that everything that could possibly happen in our universe (but doesn't) does happen in another.

The creation of John Connor created a new universe, the Kyle Reese that fathered John entered a different universe to do this therefore John's existance is independantly from the events that led to his creation. Kyle Reese in this new universe is therefore not really his father and the events of this unverse are not dependant on him going back in time. Therefore if syknet is distroyed in this universe it will still exist in the other allowing for the time traveland John's creation.
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
86. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 2 2008, 2:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2008, 2:10 AM EDT
"The many-worlds interpretation of Quantum Mechanics predicts the existance of an infinite number of universes and that everything that could possibly happen in our universe (but doesn't) does happen in another.

The creation of John Connor created a new universe, the Kyle Reese that fathered John entered a different universe to do this therefore John's existance is independantly from the events that led to his creation. Kyle Reese in this new universe is therefore not really his father and the events of this unverse are not dependant on him going back in time. Therefore if syknet is distroyed in this universe it will still exist in the other allowing for the time traveland John's creation.
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Sounds cool. I like the idea. How do you know quntum mechanics? Or did you get this idea from a movie?
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AZ_Pilot99
AZ_Pilot99
87. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 2 2008, 2:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2008, 2:31 AM EDT
I don't see why branching timelines cannot be the the time travel used. The assumption is that John and Skynet would know whether or not they are dealing with a single timestream or branching realities does not necessarily hold. IIRC in T1 Skynet sent the first Terminator back as an act of depseration because it was losing the war. John Connor then has to honor the threat because he doesn't know what is going to happen. I don't think it's ever been concretely stated anywhere as cannon which theory of time travel is supposed to be true. So Skynet gets desperate and hopes to make a future where there is a Skynet even if it is in a parallel timeline which has to be better than no Skynet in multiple parallel timelines in its view. A lot of people argue that so what the new Skynet then wouldn't be the same Skynet because it's in a different dimension, but I mean seriously how would it even know? I don't think anyone has the instrumentation to measure that sort of difference. Besides I think it would be kinda faulty to assume that both Skynet and John Connor have a perfect understanding of time travel, the results of such, and a way to measure the changes. I seriously doubt that either theory could be proven as the true one until you had performed time travel. Do you find this valuable?    
AZ_Pilot99
AZ_Pilot99
88. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 2 2008, 2:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2008, 2:34 AM EDT
Granted I actually think that it's more likely that this is a single time stream that can be affected by actions in the past. It seems fairly elastic though, no matter what Sarah tries there still is a Skynet, events keep following a basic track. It seems like you can change details, ie the date of Judgment Day, who actually built Skynet, but major events still happen. Do you find this valuable?    
intrepid
intrepid
89. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 2 2008, 5:53 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2008, 5:53 AM EDT
Let me put this into a “personal” context to help everyone understand why I don’t support branching time line time travel.
Let’s say for the purpose of argument you work in a nuclear power station and one day while walking down a corridor a pipe bursts spraying radioactive steam through the room, thinking quickly you exit the room and go through decontamination. Unfortunately the doctors tell you the dose was fatal and you only have 2 weeks to live and YOU are going to die a horrible painful death.
But as luck would have it your husband/wife (insert whatever works for you) has invented a time machine and tells you they can go back in time and prevent the accident from happening all you have to do is tell them to do it.
So here’s the question, what type of time travel is going to benefit YOU?
The single timeline where the accident can be prevented and the future is changed OR
The branching timeline where your partner lives happily ever after in an alternative timeline with another version of yourself while YOU still die a horrible death except you now die alone

Now I’m no expert in time travel and I don’t pretend to be. To be perfectly honest I don’t even think its even possible, but for the sake of argument and to explain the event on this show I have described a type of time travel that works within the context of “this show” however if I’m wrong then I’m wrong and I will be the first to admit it BUT what really gets up my nose is people saying “I saw this film with this particular type of time travel so that’s what they are using in this TV show” ???? Every film that uses time travel uses whatever type of time travel that works for the plot of THAT particular film, will everyone stop trying to pigeon hole this show that way when half the time it doesn’t even make sense!.
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saphireblueelf
saphireblueelf
90. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 3 2008, 5:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 3 2008, 5:27 PM EDT
why would they have multiple time lines it would not benefit the outcome that John is trying to fix. But I also think that they can never prevent the machines taking over just keep postponing it. Do you find this valuable?    
Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
91. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 3 2008, 11:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 3 2008, 11:08 PM EDT
"Let me put this into a “personal” context to help everyone understand why I don’t support branching time line time travel.
Let’s say for the purpose of argument you work in a nuclear power station and one day while walking down a corridor a pipe bursts spraying radioactive steam through the room, thinking quickly you exit the room and go through decontamination. Unfortunately the doctors tell you the dose was fatal and you only have 2 weeks to live and YOU are going to die a horrible painful death.
But as luck would have it your husband/wife (insert whatever works for you) has invented a time machine and tells you they can go back in time and prevent the accident from happening all you have to do is tell them to do it.
So here’s the question, what type of time travel is going to benefit YOU?
The single timeline where the accident can be prevented and the future is changed OR
The branching timeline where your partner lives happily ever after in an alternative timeline with another version of yourself while YOU still die a horrible death except you now die alone

Now I’m no expert in time travel and I don’t pretend to be. To be perfectly honest I don’t even think its even possible, but for the sake of argument and to explain the event on this show I have described a type of time travel that works within the context of “this show” however if I’m wrong then I’m wrong and I will be the first to admit it BUT what really gets up my nose is people saying “I saw this film with this particular type of time travel so that’s what they are using in this TV show” ???? Every film that uses time travel uses whatever type of time travel that works for the plot of THAT particular film, will everyone stop trying to pigeon hole this show that way when half the time it doesn’t even make sense!."
Now Have you seen "Frequency"? That movie parrellel branches were not made but merged. In other words John Sullivan in Freqency remembered both pasts almost as if they were a dream but they really happened he remembered both. But we don't see any affect by the changes yet in Terminator:SCC may be because the changes they have made aren't enough yet. Like for instance more ripples in the pond need to be made. What do you think of Deja Vu in that movie the character died in the end because he prevented himself from ever traveling through time. So he had to die. But the past version of himself did recognize that somthing was different almost like deja vu. This would mean that in the end of the Terminator Series John Connor would prevent skynet and thus he would die at the end. Because he wouldn't have ever been born. I think that could also be a good ending to the series. But hey that is just a idea. But what do you think of the idea I talked about with regard to my Frequency and Deja Vu theory. These are types of Time travel that could be used instead of the parrallel branch theory.
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intrepid
intrepid
92. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 4 2008, 5:47 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 4 2008, 5:47 AM EDT
"Now Have you seen "Frequency"? That movie parrellel branches were not made but merged. In other words John Sullivan in Freqency remembered both pasts almost as if they were a dream but they really happened he remembered both. But we don't see any affect by the changes yet in Terminator:SCC may be because the changes they have made aren't enough yet. Like for instance more ripples in the pond need to be made. What do you think of Deja Vu in that movie the character died in the end because he prevented himself from ever traveling through time. So he had to die. But the past version of himself did recognize that somthing was different almost like deja vu. This would mean that in the end of the Terminator Series John Connor would prevent skynet and thus he would die at the end. Because he wouldn't have ever been born. I think that could also be a good ending to the series. But hey that is just a idea. But what do you think of the idea I talked about with regard to my Frequency and Deja Vu theory. These are types of Time travel that could be used instead of the parrallel branch theory."
It’s been awhile since I have seen Déjà vu and to be perfectly honest I don’t really remember that much about it so I won’t comment on that film but on your urging I did see Frequency the other day and thought it a very good film. While the only time travel is by voice, it’s a film that most closely emulates my argument of time travel in that a change in the past rewrites the future single time line. However if you applied my theory to the film Frequency John Sullivan wouldn’t remember his pre past memories after a change had been made, his memories would have been rewritten like the rest of the world around him. Of course in that film it wouldn’t work for the story if he couldn’t remember that the change his father had made at his urging, if he couldn’t remember the differences in the amount of nurses murdered it would have been a very short film! Which is why I said not to apply a version of time travel from one film to another as it either wont work or may sort of work but not perfectly?
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
93. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 4 2008, 11:48 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 4 2008, 11:48 AM EDT
" or may sort of work but not perfectly?"
That's my point bit's and pieces need to be applied. Nothing will work perfectly. That's why Cameron is keeping secrets. So as that her mission objectives won't cause other characters to do dumb choices. She may know how to deal with the time travel thing even more than John Connor's younger version may be able to understand. I just don't know for sure anymore because thier are so many theories that somtimes I just want to say why do we wait and see. But if you saw Deja Vu yo will relize that maybe that idea will work better. Just go see the movie then respond to me again and let me know what you think. You may have to watch it a few time to understand. Because that time travel movie may be the most confusing the first time through
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crottyjr@yahoo.com
94. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 4 2008, 10:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 4 2008, 10:10 PM EDT
"Let me put this into a “personal” context to help everyone understand why I don’t support branching time line time travel.
Let’s say for the purpose of argument you work in a nuclear power station and one day while walking down a corridor a pipe bursts spraying radioactive steam through the room, thinking quickly you exit the room and go through decontamination. Unfortunately the doctors tell you the dose was fatal and you only have 2 weeks to live and YOU are going to die a horrible painful death.
But as luck would have it your husband/wife (insert whatever works for you) has invented a time machine and tells you they can go back in time and prevent the accident from happening all you have to do is tell them to do it.
So here’s the question, what type of time travel is going to benefit YOU?
The single timeline where the accident can be prevented and the future is changed OR
The branching timeline where your partner lives happily ever after in an alternative timeline with another version of yourself while YOU still die a horrible death except you now die alone

Now I’m no expert in time travel and I don’t pretend to be. To be perfectly honest I don’t even think its even possible, but for the sake of argument and to explain the event on this show I have described a type of time travel that works within the context of “this show” however if I’m wrong then I’m wrong and I will be the first to admit it BUT what really gets up my nose is people saying “I saw this film with this particular type of time travel so that’s what they are using in this TV show” ???? Every film that uses time travel uses whatever type of time travel that works for the plot of THAT particular film, will everyone stop trying to pigeon hole this show that way when half the time it doesn’t even make sense!."
Well, logically, the one that benefits you the most would be the one where the accident can be prevented and you can change what happened-but if you change what happened, then why would there be a need to make the trip back to change it, since it never happened and, since it already did happened, how could you stop something that has already taken place without altering your own perception of reality, distorting everything around you and because it has not happened, then it will happen, because there was never anyone to tell not to walk down the corridor and not take the walk. A single linear time travel theory seems even less probable than a string theory hypothesis (But always remember-Einstein said, Time travel is not impossible, only IMPROBABLE, so either or both could be.) since it's effects would distort all of reality on a continuous basis, while string would in effect correct itself everytime it happened!
Since we are trying to see this as a scientific thread on temporal theories and the changes they incur on the world, there is no reason not to debate any and all theories we may all have. (Even my theory on Clark Kent being John Connor.)
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blazeaga
blazeaga
95. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 5 2008, 8:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 8:09 PM EDT
" Clark Kent did not just spring up with his super-powers out of nowhere. He had to develop them. Maybe JC has not developed his heat vision yet and gone to the fortress of solitude and found out who his real father is?
When he does, then Skynet will get it's ass kicked!
After that, he will change his name and go to work for the Daily planet as Clark Kent and meet Lois Lane?"
LOL XD!!! where the hell is SUPERMAN from...Lol a good episode for season 2 is having superman save John Connor only to get totally Bitch Slapped by the terminator and get OBLITERATED!!!
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blazeaga
blazeaga
96. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 5 2008, 8:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 8:10 PM EDT
"Sounds cool. I like the idea. How do you know quntum mechanics? Or did you get this idea from a movie?"
MOVIES FTW!!!!
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blazeaga
blazeaga
97. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 5 2008, 8:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 8:13 PM EDT
"Granted I actually think that it's more likely that this is a single time stream that can be affected by actions in the past. It seems fairly elastic though, no matter what Sarah tries there still is a Skynet, events keep following a basic track. It seems like you can change details, ie the date of Judgment Day, who actually built Skynet, but major events still happen."
I agree totally. I do like the idea of billions of time-lines but that makes the writers lazy and more importantly hurts my brain =P
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blazeaga
blazeaga
98. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 5 2008, 8:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 8:19 PM EDT
"That's my point bit's and pieces need to be applied. Nothing will work perfectly. That's why Cameron is keeping secrets. So as that her mission objectives won't cause other characters to do dumb choices. She may know how to deal with the time travel thing even more than John Connor's younger version may be able to understand. I just don't know for sure anymore because thier are so many theories that somtimes I just want to say why do we wait and see. But if you saw Deja Vu yo will relize that maybe that idea will work better. Just go see the movie then respond to me again and let me know what you think. You may have to watch it a few time to understand. Because that time travel movie may be the most confusing the first time through"
I agree and where do i watch the movie?
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
99. RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
Apr 5 2008, 10:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 10:25 PM EDT
"I agree and where do i watch the movie?"
Go to blockbuster and Rent Deja Vu with Denzel Washington. Came out last year. 2007
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