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Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Mar 28 2008, 12:33 PM EDT
Debate the answer in this thread. http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Terminator+Sarah+Connor+Quiz 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?
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Utena42 |
1. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Mar 28 2008, 3:00 PM EDT
I think the question is 1) poorly worded -- if it's a question about the past, then it should say: "Is it possible for Skynet to completely eliminate humanity in the past?" Of course, 2) that's a dumb question to ask, because Skynet can't eliminate humanity before it's been created, or it won't be "born."I also disagree with the final answer: B.) Yes, the past can be changed, which can then change future events. We see this in Terminator 2, in which Sarah, John, the T-800 and Dyson's destruction of Cyberdyne causes Kyle Reese's original date for Judgment Day to come and go with no apocalypse. 3) This answer has nothing to do with whether Skynet can eliminate humanity, in the future OR the past. It simply points out that the date of Judgment Day can be changed, and iIrc, JD is only the BEGINNING of the war on humanity, not the elimination of it. 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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chillin2damnhard |
2. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Mar 29 2008, 1:07 AM EDT
i dont think its possible to change the final outcome, that john and mankind will win, because although tampering with the past did postpone judgement day, it still came. Tampering with the past may make things harder on john but he will still eventually win....it is inevitable.
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grogerious |
3. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Mar 30 2008, 3:24 AM EDT
It's called the grandfather paradox.Go back in time and kill your grand dadbefore he meets grandma.Now you don't exist,but if you don't exist how could you kill your grand dad?It can kill John only if it's reason for existing isn't linked to John's continued survival. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
nygenxer |
4. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Apr 7 2008, 9:24 AM EDT
I got the answer right and I disagree with it. Not just the poor wording, but I think that timelines run as described by Doc Brown in "Back to the Future 2" in which any change in the past sets up a completely new timeline separate from the original. There's a physicist who has postulated that one can only travel back in time to the moment that the first time machine is activated and no further. I haven't fully thought that one through enough yet to comment intelligently, 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Apr 17 2008, 11:28 AM EDT
In Terminator 3, the T-100 says "you didn't stop Judgment Day, you only postponed it. Judgment day is inevitable." This tells me that details can be changed, i.e., the destruction of CyberDyne upsets the time line, but doesn't change it. So the answer should be C.
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LiquidMetal |
6. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Apr 17 2008, 11:35 AM EDT
There are seven known Terminator time lines based on the T1, T2, and T3 movies, plus the TV show "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Of the seven (7), five (5) end in Skynet's destruction, one (1) ends in mankind's destruction, and one (1) ends with an indeterminate conclusion. I will post the remaining time lines over the next week. I have completed the first three, which you can view at http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/TimeIine+for+the+Terminator+1%2C+2+and+The+TSCC. Regarding Time Travel and those ever-present paradoxes, explanations and theories can can be found at http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Terminator+Glossary. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LiquidMetal |
7. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Apr 17 2008, 11:38 AM EDT
In those 7 time lines, Judgment Day does move around, but, in the end, happens.
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lya81 |
8. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
May 27 2008, 9:55 PM EDT
"Debate the answer in this thread.certain items in the 'space time thingy' are constant. like connor, skynet and j-day. you can change the details and readjust the time line only so far. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
RustyRazor |
9. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Jul 26 2008, 9:55 AM EDT
The Grandfather Paradox also means that Skynet has to be created. Johns Father has to be sent back (Kyle) to father him. This would imply that Judgment Day itself has to happen but that the details can vary i.e the date and who designed it. Also John Connor cannot be killed before sending his Father and the T101 back.The question about if Skynet can win does not tie up in my opinon with the answers. Theoretically Skynet could win if in the future he creates a super weapon or humanity screws up somehow but T1 states that the defence grid was smashed and humanities victory assured so by canon skynet has lost. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
aceplace57 |
10. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Jul 26 2008, 10:40 AM EDT
I had issues with the Cyborg question. The traditional definition is a human turned into a machine. That goes all the way back to Edgar Allan Poe's The Man That Was Used Up. Dr Who had Daleks and Cybermen in the 1960's. Cybermen were humans that were captured and turned into Cyborgs, Star Trek ripped off the same idea withe the Borg. Dalek's were alive too. The metal casing was a tank like machine they lived in.I don't consider Terminators Cyborgs. They were never living organisms. The skin they have was made in a chemical bath. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybermen 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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grogerious |
11. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Jul 27 2008, 12:13 AM EDT
The skin on the terminators is alive,but I agree with you.Terminators are not true cyborgs.A cyborg is madeof artificial and organic components that need each other to function.I could say that I,m a cyborg while I type out this message on the computer to you.That would be incorrect however because although my computer has no true purpose without me,I can survive independent of it. Just like a Terminator can survive and function without it's skin. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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grogerious |
12. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Jul 27 2008, 12:58 AM EDT
Yeah,time is a fire hose. The end connected to the hydrant is the present moment.The other end is the future.And like a fire hose,when it is on,the end closest to the hydrant (present) does not move much.However,the other end of the hose (future) is flopping all over the place,as different events have added to it over the length of time.One tiny movement near the connecting end effects the other end greatly. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Aug 19 2008, 7:33 AM EDT
How can it be said that Judgement day, as mentioned by Reese, came and went with no incident? T3 and this series are both based on the opposite! That Judgemtn day will happen eventually.
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Calculusnut |
14. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Sep 12 2008, 8:26 AM EDT
Novikov's self consistency principle (which is in fact partially derived form Einstein's field equations) clearly states that:"The only solutions to the laws of physics that can occur locally in the real Universe are those which are globally self-consistent." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle This means that, if a person travels back in time and attempts to kill his earlier self, this is a singularity whose probability of existence is zero. One cannot change the past in a way that it affects the future. This is referred to as the "Principle of self consistency". A 1990 paper by Friedmann, Novikov, Thorne, Yurtsever titled "Cauchy problem in spacetimes with closed timelike curves" can be referred to for further information. The paper can be reached from the following link: http://authors.library.caltech.edu/3737/ Do you find this valuable? |
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moriluk |
15. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
May 9 2009, 3:42 PM EDT
I got this right but I disagree with the wording. It does not mean that JD did not happen. It just happened at a different point. In fact I think Sarah and John can fight their entire life and simply push off the inevitable. Not fate or destiny either. Think of trying to stop the invention of the wheel. You can't.
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T-1377 |
16. RE: Is the quiz question about Skynet bunk?
Oct 19 2009, 9:20 PM EDT
No...As was said in the prologue of T2: infiltrator, Skynet was debating with itself and thinking about the past. The time-line kept stretching as to accommodate the changes that Skynet kept trying to make. The book stated that the time line will want to go back to its original. Skynet can try to change the past, but even if they killed john Connor, there would still be a resistance. In the season finale of T:tSCC season 2, John went fowards in time, past judgment day with Catherine Weaver. He wasn't the leader of the human resistance in that time line. Skynet will never be able to completely eradicate the human population, just like it is not possible for the humans to fully stop judgment day from ever happening.
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