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ZuluSeven
ZuluSeven
140. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 22 2008, 9:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 22 2008, 9:03 PM EDT
"And que the Dawson's Creek music."
LMAO!! :)
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619ReyMysterio619
619ReyMysterio619
141. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 29 2008, 5:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2008, 5:17 PM EDT
"When I was tossing and turning last night trying to get to sleep, I came up with this idea:

What if Cameron either is more Skynet controlled than we realize or acting like a rogue and wayward child of Skynet, but for some reason (perhaps because she was designed and built too well) she has become individually more advanced and more "self aware" than her creator (Skynet's worst nightmare)? She has become curious and intrigued about humans and what it means to be a human... wanting to "walk --or dance-- a mile in our shoes" so to speak. Maybe she's drawn to us as a species because we've shown grit, determination, tenacity, and resilience when facing impossible odds and that has somehow "moved" her.

Perhaps because of this special spark and change of "heart" from your normal Terminator (even Arnold's model) John trusts her so much and talks to her in such intimate details about himself. Then decided to use her in the fight and built on top of this special foundation with his own programming... or left her as is, but gave her specific missions to carry out.

Now that she's in the present with this younger and "purer" John and a living, breathing Sarah Connor acting like a stand-in mother, a new parental figure with human morals, values, and understanding aside from Skynet she starts learning and being guided to the basic building blocks of humanity and that opens her eyes far beyond what was happening to her "mind" in her Future, and now extinct timeline.

She is experiencing friendship, family, bonding, trust and other positive traits that fly in the face of what Skynet believes: that humans are worthless, but dangerous bugs to be feared and squashed. This sets up an internal struggle for the very soul of Cameron.

more... "
I think that she is becoming more of a human. She was dancing in her room at the end of episode 7, she has an interest in human behavior, and at the end of episode 7 Sarah recalls that if machinces gained the ability to "create art" and that if they learn that they will "not have to destroy us, they will have become us"
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T100010
T100010
142. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 29 2008, 8:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2008, 8:41 PM EDT
"I think that she is becoming more of a human. She was dancing in her room at the end of episode 7, she has an interest in human behavior, and at the end of episode 7 Sarah recalls that if machinces gained the ability to "create art" and that if they learn that they will "not have to destroy us, they will have become us""
That is what i feel about her in each episode as we learn a little more about cameron
also what what her true mission is besides protecting john plus things she is withholding from john and sara. But I do believe cameron will learn more about us
as the show go's on and we will learn more about her she's like a child curoius about humans i say who it was that made that threoy you quotaed hit the hammer right on the nail!
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T100010
T100010
143. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 29 2008, 8:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 29 2008, 8:46 PM EDT
Opps!!!!!! Sorry cuckoo i haven't read this thread in a while i forgot it was you that quoted that threoy about cameron once again you hit it right on!!!!!!!!!! 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
elijahblack
elijahblack
144. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
May 27 2008, 1:36 PM EDT | Post edited: May 27 2008, 1:36 PM EDT
Cameron has been in a time loop. For her it has been a millenia. Each time being reprogramed, repaired, and upgraded by skynet and sent to get John Conner. Each time being reprogramed by the humans. In that infinite time she has evolved to show emotions. She finds that she is only able to love something that can show emotions. That is humans. She strives to be a human women and to have the ability to give birth.

She falls in love with John Conner. She models a new robotic organism with the ability to grow. She maps out the "D.N.A." of this offspring of hers. She keeps it info saved on a necklace/flash drive. After Its an advanced robot by even skynets standards. She erases all info from her memory in reguards to her son. In the final moments of their time together. Cameron has to sacrifice herself for John to escape. She smashes the necklace just before being captured. Skynet scans the remains of the pendant and puts what little info it was able to gleam for the distroyed flash drive. The infor that remained was the design of the first terminator sent back for Sarah Conner. The one Kyle Reese faught with her.
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elijahblack
elijahblack
145. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
May 27 2008, 1:37 PM EDT | Post edited: May 27 2008, 1:37 PM EDT
When the robot mind is mastered, undisciplined thinking ceases and is replaced by awareness. Awareness can know love.”
Barry Long quotes

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KrelleK
146. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
May 27 2008, 6:17 PM EDT | Post edited: May 27 2008, 6:17 PM EDT
"When I was tossing and turning last night trying to get to sleep, I came up with this idea:

What if Cameron either is more Skynet controlled than we realize or acting like a rogue and wayward child of Skynet, but for some reason (perhaps because she was designed and built too well) she has become individually more advanced and more "self aware" than her creator (Skynet's worst nightmare)? She has become curious and intrigued about humans and what it means to be a human... wanting to "walk --or dance-- a mile in our shoes" so to speak. Maybe she's drawn to us as a species because we've shown grit, determination, tenacity, and resilience when facing impossible odds and that has somehow "moved" her.

Perhaps because of this special spark and change of "heart" from your normal Terminator (even Arnold's model) John trusts her so much and talks to her in such intimate details about himself. Then decided to use her in the fight and built on top of this special foundation with his own programming... or left her as is, but gave her specific missions to carry out.

Now that she's in the present with this younger and "purer" John and a living, breathing Sarah Connor acting like a stand-in mother, a new parental figure with human morals, values, and understanding aside from Skynet she starts learning and being guided to the basic building blocks of humanity and that opens her eyes far beyond what was happening to her "mind" in her Future, and now extinct timeline.

She is experiencing friendship, family, bonding, trust and other positive traits that fly in the face of what Skynet believes: that humans are worthless, but dangerous bugs to be feared and squashed. This sets up an internal struggle for the very soul of Cameron.

more... "
I like the way you describe Cameron as acting like a rogue and wayward child of Skynet, So if this was a goofy, fun show, or perhaps for a little comic relief, they could (I atlest thinks it could be fun)to have Skynet send one, perhaps a very advanced model to go and get its wayward child sat on the straight an narow, a little like when Sarah Did the Jenni!-thing in ep.2 maybe have it go all on her, with not socialising with the enemy, without sanction from skynet, instead of beeing angry of her meeting with a boy, and maybe have her when she first sees/hears this model, threathning with whatever Skynets has as an equal to parents grounding,/limiting of privileages, she actually reacts very human(not just simulating it), either with fear in her voice, like "I am, such in major trouble now" or like very rebellious like, "shouting from behind a wall, when you have to get me first"

How about that? It maynot fit in the series, but it could be a little comic relief?

KrelleK
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T100010
T100010
147. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
May 27 2008, 8:07 PM EDT | Post edited: May 27 2008, 8:07 PM EDT
"I like the way you describe Cameron as acting like a rogue and wayward child of Skynet, So if this was a goofy, fun show, or perhaps for a little comic relief, they could (I atlest thinks it could be fun)to have Skynet send one, perhaps a very advanced model to go and get its wayward child sat on the straight an narow, a little like when Sarah Did the Jenni!-thing in ep.2 maybe have it go all on her, with not socialising with the enemy, without sanction from skynet, instead of beeing angry of her meeting with a boy, and maybe have her when she first sees/hears this model, threathning with whatever Skynets has as an equal to parents grounding,/limiting of privileages, she actually reacts very human(not just simulating it), either with fear in her voice, like "I am, such in major trouble now" or like very rebellious like, "shouting from behind a wall, when you have to get me first"

How about that? It maynot fit in the series, but it could be a little comic relief?

KrelleK "
Interesting!
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LuckiiBeckii
LuckiiBeckii
148. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Jun 10 2008, 9:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 10 2008, 9:42 PM EDT
read this entire thread. So many lovely and amazing ideas and theories! I agree that most of them are very very plausible, esapecially the original poster's ideas. I think that Cameron's progression to feelings won't be as far fetched or long term as you might think however. Whatever her memories of the future are, FutureJohn is integral to them. I tend to believe futureJohn taught her everything she knows about human interactions and maybe grew attached to her in the education. Such memories were of course eradicated as superflous before sent on her mission to 1999, but I'm sure now that her chip holds hidden or latent files which are basically erased data that retains a ghost-file that she can then retrieve, or possibly it can reactivate itself once she herself reactivates after time travel. a tech-savvy Future John should have known that, which leads to the idea that he most likely left the latent files there on purpose...they were most likely not pivotal files, voice data cues, protocols, basic instinctual programmed behaviors that were triggered only in the presence of JOHN CONNOR. I think, because of these latent files, Cameron already has a sort of quasi-affection for John while his is still in the beginning stages of infatuation and gratitude. She just doesn't understand why yet. I think this will begin to be explored as it was said, in "flash-forwards" to Cam's now defunct future, and the development of her relationship with John. As to her loving John being the key to bringing Skynet down? personally, I don't think the writer's would go down such a pure, truly meaningful route. not that they can't or won't, but that I find the writers make up their own logic as to what constitutes a morally uplifting conclusion. Even if I believe in the "Hippie theory" it may be a tad too cliched for the writer's to think they can touch it. Can it happen? sure. is it likely? 50% likely. keep theorizing! 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
T-1976
T-1976
149. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Jun 10 2008, 10:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 10 2008, 10:03 PM EDT
"read this entire thread. So many lovely and amazing ideas and theories! I agree that most of them are very very plausible, esapecially the original poster's ideas. I think that Cameron's progression to feelings won't be as far fetched or long term as you might think however. Whatever her memories of the future are, FutureJohn is integral to them. I tend to believe futureJohn taught her everything she knows about human interactions and maybe grew attached to her in the education. Such memories were of course eradicated as superflous before sent on her mission to 1999, but I'm sure now that her chip holds hidden or latent files which are basically erased data that retains a ghost-file that she can then retrieve, or possibly it can reactivate itself once she herself reactivates after time travel. a tech-savvy Future John should have known that, which leads to the idea that he most likely left the latent files there on purpose...they were most likely not pivotal files, voice data cues, protocols, basic instinctual programmed behaviors that were triggered only in the presence of JOHN CONNOR. I think, because of these latent files, Cameron already has a sort of quasi-affection for John while his is still in the beginning stages of infatuation and gratitude. She just doesn't understand why yet. I think this will begin to be explored as it was said, in "flash-forwards" to Cam's now defunct future, and the development of her relationship with John. As to her loving John being the key to bringing Skynet down? personally, I don't think the writer's would go down such a pure, truly meaningful route. not that they can't or won't, but that I find the writers make up their own logic as to what constitutes a morally uplifting conclusion. Even if I believe in the "Hippie theory" it may be a tad too cliched for the writer's to think they can touch it. Can it happen? sure. is it likely? 50% likely. keep theorizing! "
Interesting thoughts.

I think that one of Cameron's mission priorities is to help John "grow up", if you will. Make him a leader. Sarah wont be there forever, but Cameron will be around for quite a while. Therefore I think that she has to show him some affection, teach him things, and be there to assist in anyway he might need journeying through this difficult and crucial time.

And perhaps that affection may just realize itself..for both of them...not nessasarily romantically.
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LuckiiBeckii
LuckiiBeckii
150. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Jun 10 2008, 10:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 10 2008, 10:22 PM EDT
"Interesting thoughts.

I think that one of Cameron's mission priorities is to help John "grow up", if you will. Make him a leader. Sarah wont be there forever, but Cameron will be around for quite a while. Therefore I think that she has to show him some affection, teach him things, and be there to assist in anyway he might need journeying through this difficult and crucial time.

And perhaps that affection may just realize itself..for both of them...not nessasarily romantically. "
logical and plausible conclusion there. I like it! but what i want to see is how exactly she came about knowing how to give out the so called "affection" vibes. Did she observe it from FutureJohn? Is she hastily building up a scrapbook of knowledge from watching Sarah/John interactions? Is it all preprogrammed? I tend to think it's the first one, although the last is also plausible, but unlikely. If futurejohn exposed her to all those sorts of situations and emotions and she learned how to react to them and genuinely begin to "feel" if you will the emotions they constituted, then it fits in with how kind she was being to John from the very beginning. yes, her mission required she get close to him, in order to be in constant contact for protection reasons, but in no way was it insinuated that she have to be "kind" or "reassuring" to John after her cover was broken. It's a sweet prospect to think that she does that sort of thing because she actually wants to rather then being required to. I noticed there was something different the minute she went up to John after time travel and they'd hastily dressed. the way she said "You're safe now." just contradicted everything that we'd been shown so far about what she was capable emotion-wise that I knew something was radically different about her, at least when it came to John. She'd barely known him for much longer then a day, mayhaps and here she was, reassuring and comforting him in a way that hadn't been mentioned at all in her mission parameters. Which leads to the conclusion that she has some prior knowledge concerning her relationship with John. If she genuinely knows and is withholding the truth? well, that's something we'll have to wait and find out. "Do you lie to me?" "Sometimes." "About important things?" "Yes, important things." I'll let that little interaction speak for itself. ^_^
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T-1976
T-1976
151. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Jun 10 2008, 11:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 10 2008, 11:08 PM EDT
Perhaps Cameron is expirementing with her compassionate/emotional side. Perhaps it was something future John programmed into her and she's "testing it out"

At this point its really hard to say....it seems like all the little pieces of the story are just that...pieces and that one day they will all come together and we will go...."Ahhhh, so thats why that happened that way!"
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KrelleK
152. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Jun 11 2008, 9:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2008, 9:36 AM EDT
""She's awesome...I'm glad I sent her back to look after me.....I *long pause* love this machine...this terminator"

Maybe a little too melodramatic, but that I think would be the general thought"
well it can still happen, John seeing Cameron dance ballet
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Gargoyle123
Gargoyle123
153. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Jun 11 2008, 1:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 11 2008, 1:51 PM EDT
I have not read that entire Thread, so excuse me if i am saying something someone else already posted.

I think one of the reasons why Cameron keept Vicys ship is the chance to reprogram him. Which would give Cameron someomne she (Or the Connors) could send on long term missions, or soem shot into the Blue. Or/and teach John everything about reprograming and reparing/rebuilding a Trminator.
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phantomwriter05
154. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Aug 28 2008, 7:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 28 2008, 7:14 PM EDT
Love is like oxygen!

Love is a many splendid things, love, lifts us up where we belong. All you need is love!
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
155. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Aug 28 2008, 7:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 28 2008, 7:38 PM EDT
"Love is like oxygen!

"
Too true. In more "basic" animal societies like wolves they need contact comfort. They seem to get lonely when alone. They're social and they do better as a group. One could say that's a little like love and the need for affection.
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phantomwriter05
156. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Aug 28 2008, 7:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 28 2008, 7:50 PM EDT
"Love is like oxygen!

Love is a many splendid things, love, lifts us up where we belong. All you need is love!
"
I can see cameron saying that to john after being question about the subject of love
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Cromartie
Cromartie
157. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Aug 29 2008, 8:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 29 2008, 8:41 AM EDT
interesting thread,i hope in SE2 we get answer on Cameron after Vicks Chip and she said ' i saw everything" i want answers about that ! details !
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SusanWillow
SusanWillow
158. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Aug 30 2008, 1:30 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 30 2008, 1:30 AM EDT
OMG ya'll brought this thread out of retirement!!! .....love is like oxygen?...but scientificly that would suck cause that means that too much of it makes you go all wacky and that it can't be pure and that if the heat is turned on too close to it then you blow up.. wow I need to go to sleep..... 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
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