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Krazykaleb |
20. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 4:03 PM EDT
"When I was tossing and turning last night trying to get to sleep, I came up with this idea:I would say the fact that he has curiousity and want to understand humans. Their is great potiential for her to teach or reprogram other Terminators with good traits later on. Such as skynet and others. The many ideas that we have speculated over the weeks shows that we feel that she can actually learn to be human she is basicly like a young child who wants to understand things. Their are so many ways her story could go. Redemption, Faith, Love, friendship or even enimies. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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21. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 4:10 PM EDT
Haha, I'd like to see how Cameron would handle any possible enemies at Highschool.
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22. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 5:17 PM EDT
This comes back to the old saying " Love Will Conquer All ", hope is another factor. We all know about the real story of Pandoras Box, mabey Cameron could become the hope that was left inside. Camerons desire to become closer to humansat times can be a bit scary and other times very interesting. Remember her line in Dungeons & Dragons "Sometimes they go bad, no one knows why they just do, well thats the part thats got me thinking alot.Cuckoo your ideas are a possibility, but I fear that Cameron is getting closer to humans to benefit skynet. If Cameron were to link up with skynet I think it would be an intelligence report rather than trying to make skynet see the value of life, love ect, ect. REMEMBER SOMETIMES THEY GO BAD, NO ONE KNOWS WHY THEY JUST DO. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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23. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 5:46 PM EDT
"Haha, I'd like to see how Cameron would handle any possible enemies at Highschool. "I hope not. I don't want to see this show become a Terminator take on Beverly Hills 90210. I could appreciate a cute scene at the high school prom where Cameron (the "hot" new girl) shows up as geeky Morris's date and kisses him, or threatens someone who picks on John or Morris or something. But teenie-bopper nonsense needs to be kept to a bare minimum on this show, methinks. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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24. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 5:58 PM EDT
Well it could be like in the Grinch Stole Christmas, he finally discovered the meaning of Christmas and his heart grew 2 sizes that day (NO, im not compairing Cameron to the grinch) just using that as an example of someone who "sees the light" so to speak. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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25. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 7:37 PM EDT
Interesting….. I hate to be the party pooper but I can’t see a love angle for Cameron. I see Cameron as a child a “true” innocent, however she is governed by what she is, a Terminator, I don’t think reprogramming changes anything about what she was originally designed to do just who her boss is. For me I would like Cameron’s journey to be one of self discovery and the development of free will not some love story as nice as that sounds because it would be too cliché. Freewill is by far a more powerful concept than love, it is what underpins who we are as a race that we question everything and make our own choices wherever they be good or bad. To question what we are and where we are going is what got us kicked out of the garden of Eden, its why angels fall. To go against our creator and question our existence is our greatest gift, that is what I would like to see for Cameron
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26. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 8:21 PM EDT
"Interesting….. I hate to be the party pooper but I can’t see a love angle for Cameron. I see Cameron as a child a “true” innocent, however she is governed by what she is, a Terminator, I don’t think reprogramming changes anything about what she was originally designed to do just who her boss is. For me I would like Cameron’s journey to be one of self discovery and the development of free will not some love story as nice as that sounds because it would be too cliché. Freewill is by far a more powerful concept than love, it is what underpins who we are as a race that we question everything and make our own choices wherever they be good or bad. To question what we are and where we are going is what got us kicked out of the garden of Eden, its why angels fall. To go against our creator and question our existence is our greatest gift, that is what I would like to see for Cameron"Good points Do you find this valuable? |
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27. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 8:28 PM EDT
It may be that it's the questioning of authority that helps Cameron step away from any programming that Skynet may have had inside her, guiding any of her actions. She can then choose to use her human experiences and become something else or stay a Terminator and help to destroy them. Love or hate, Cameron? What will it be? That's a fundamental choice. The yin and the yang. However, I see her dancing and being curious about humans (and who knows what else) and that seems to indicated to me that she likes this stuff, and may not want to be party to good things like that being destroyed. In interviews, unless they were a way to throw off the viewers, the cast and crew seemed to stress this John/Sarah/Cameron triangle was some sort of family unit, however weird it might be. That seems to me that perhaps if Cameron originally had some nefarious intent behind her secrecy, that being around these two and their fierce loyalty, bond, and love... and learning to be their friends and trusting each other would help change Cameron's mind. Again, if she is partially bad in some way. John also stresses that sometimes the creation outdoes the creator (a machine becomes more than its maker), and breaks out of its shadow. The pupil beomes the master (cribbing Star Wars). Cameron would be Skynet's pupil and Skynet would have been her master in the Future. Now she's far more advanced than this current Skynet. The tables have turned. Though, also check Cameron's word choice: "sometimes THEY go bad. No one knows why." She didn't say "we" go bad. She is not lumping herself with the other Terminators. She is already thinking as an individual. Another thought, away from my original opening post is perhaps she has something to gain from seeing Skynet destroyed. That also could be because she's a Turk design and not a Skynet design, if they're different. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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28. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 8:51 PM EDT
Again, I must point out what Summer keeps saying that Cameron "loves" John and that maybe she could find true love. Thomas Dekker says the fans will get more in S2. Unless the writers are screwing with the actors too, then that is another indication that love and friendship plays a BIG roll in this show and one reason I focused my opening to love and caring and Skynet's downfall. That Cameron tries to use the love and experiences she's learned to help Skynet through its teething pains as Andy could not. Andy said he didn't know how to comfort it. Cameron's a fellow A.I. and can speak to Skynet in its language, on its level. However, because Cameron is so much more advanced than anything seen before and so much more self-aware than even Future Skynet, that she is the cause of its destruction, whether that was her intent or not. The pupil takes out the master, the creation destroys its creator. I may be repeating myself, but I want to stress this. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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29. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 9:00 PM EDT
"Again, I must point out what Summer keeps saying that Cameron "loves" John and that maybe she could find true love. Thomas Dekker says the fans will get more in S2.I don’t think what the actors were originally told about their characters can be taken as gospel, as with the T888 which was supposed to have triple chips thing can change for plot or artistic reasons 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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30. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 9:01 PM EDT
"It may be that it's the questioning of authority that helps Cameron step away from any programming that Skynet may have had inside her, guiding any of her actions. She can then choose to use her human experiences and become something else or stay a Terminator and help to destroy them.Also interesting points. It goes back to the "real girl" analogy I used before. Cameron, in some way, wants to be a real human. Perhaps thats why she even has a name? I dont think any other terminators had a name, except for their model designation (although Cromartie has a name too, so that may not work) Anyway, interesting to ponder. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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31. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 9:12 PM EDT
Is it possible that Cameron has some type of 'Hidden Files' like on and iPod or other hard drive, something that maybe future john missed? Maybe, as these files come into play, it is her growing free will that causes some type of inner struggle,
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32. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 9:47 PM EDT
"Again, I must point out what Summer keeps saying that Cameron "loves" John and that maybe she could find true love. Thomas Dekker says the fans will get more in S2.In the pilot when Cameron was taking the bullet out of Sarah -- Sarah said something along the lines of "he's gonna leave me" in reference to John. Also with the scene between John and Cameon concerning the eating of the potato chip -- one of the things John said to her was he should have known better than to believe that a hot girl would be interested in a girl like him. I got the distinct feeling that they were setting the stage for the fact that Cameron would be the one that eventually did cause John to leave Sarah in the sense that she is John's perfect match(machine or not). I think this was reinforced by the fact that it showed Sarah standing out of view watching the entire scene unfold. I also think this was a factor in the reason that Sarah reacted so violently towards Cameron later on when she shot Enrique. Cameron had told her that she had shot him because Sarah would not have. Sarah slapped her and told her she didn't know what she would have done that she(Sarah) didn't even know what she would have done. She then said something along the lines that Cameron didn't know her and that she didn't know HER SON. This was in response to Cameron saying earlier that she knew about the tin man -- that she(Sarah) read it to John before he went to sleep at night and that it was one of his favorite things that she used to do for him. Cameron said John used to talk about it a lot revealing a close connection between him and her. I think that Sarah knows down deep inside that Cameron and John are meant to be. She feels it in her heart --that John will eventually step away from her towards Cameron - that he will leave her for Cameron. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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33. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 12:57 AM EDT
"In the pilot when Cameron was taking the bullet out of Sarah -- Sarah said something along the lines of "he's gonna leave me" in reference to John.''SHIT''!!!!!!!! cuckoo you started a really cool thread here the hard part is deciding which reply to responed to? I would love to see in season 2 another flashback sence in the future war in 2027 to see how future john come across cameron and to see there intimate moments they shared together meaning just the dialouge they had it must bin interesting plus i still wait to see who they get to play future john. But i do agree cameron is the hope of stoping skynet the way you are stating cuckoo its going to take a couple of seasons for her to learn all about us humanity then again cameron is a quick learner. I believe ''love does concour all'' at least thats the way last matraix movie ended but i also believe that mad gunoius josh freidman has bigger idea how skynet will be destroyed also how john/cameron will end up hooking up and sara and dereks fate as well. So cuckoo what do you think of that? oh thanks for the invite buddy! 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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34. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 1:02 AM EDT
"In the pilot when Cameron was taking the bullet out of Sarah -- Sarah said something along the lines of "he's gonna leave me" in reference to John.You may be on to something. If they use any of James Cameron's character development in TSCC, remember that Sarah was accepting of Arnold as a father figure. He was the "perfect" choice in a crazy world. Maybe she'll start to see that with Cam. That she is the "perfect" match for John and will ultimately be receptive to a "relationship." Let John leave Sarah's protective shelter and move on to Cameron's. Now Derek, on the other hand... That's why I would find it so very poignant (if they go this route) if Sarah takes the ultimate leap of faith with Cameron and saves her at the very, very end from death itself. That she would be willing to sacrifice herself for Cameron as well as John. What any mother would do for her child... that she loves. That would be f---ing mind blowing to me. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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35. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 1:10 AM EDT
Oh one more thing i would like in season 2 to see john open up to cameron about his feelings tawards Arnold from T2.Oh shit sorry to go off the topic just would like to see how she reponses about him talking to her about him. I think cameron is not bad just wants to learn about us its not like she didn't want to save jordan the girl who killed herself at school or save the russians its just her main mission is not to drew any attention that could bad for sara and john's safety. I personly look farward to see what eles cameron asks about next and want to learn from us how ever weridor funny it may seem so is like a child thursity for knowalge she does love john more then he knows the way she stares at him in the pilot episode when she firsts sees him at class even in the gas station when she's telling john ''in the future you have lots of friends'' once again notoice that look she gives him in that seen man i love how summer glau pulls it off. I hope this show wins alot of people's choice awards? 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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36. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 1:14 AM EDT
"''SHIT''!!!!!!!! cuckoo you started a really cool thread here the hard part is deciding which reply to responed to? I would love to see in season 2 another flashback sence in the future war in 2027 to see how future john come across cameron and to see there intimate moments they shared together meaning just the dialouge they had it must bin interesting plus i still wait to see who they get to play future john. But i do agree cameron is the hope of stoping skynet the way you are stating cuckoo its going to take a couple of seasons for her to learn all about us humanity then again cameron is a quick learner. I believe ''love does concour all'' at least thats the way last matraix movie ended but i also believe that mad gunoius josh freidman has bigger idea how skynet will be destroyed also how john/cameron will end up hooking up and sara and dereks fate as well. So cuckoo what do you think of that?Thanks for the compliment. That means a lot. Flashbacks (forwards in this case) have got to be at least a small part of revealing the "past" of these characters. Maybe peel back the layers a few episodes at a time. Another thing Summer stated was that we don't know what Cameron was like in the future, or that if she was bad at some point. So, maybe it is true that Derek ran across Cameron when she was bad (and that's why he immediately yelled 'METAL!" when he saw her). He doesn't have the full comprehension that maybe she was turned by John or turned herself by choice. Maybe she, in an earlier stage on the battle field, was the cause of some mischief, so Derek can't let go of the anger. towards her. Maybe, like I stated, Derek tries to destroy Cameron (maybe her chip, which would be the same thing-- he tried to take it from John once already) and Sarah and/or John have to take steps against him. Her "family" coming to her aid even if John's uncle and Sarah's lover's brother has to pay with his life. That would be a huge thing they'd have to deal with. Will it be Derek or Cameron? Who is truly worthy? Who is LOVED the most? More to ponder. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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37. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 1:21 AM EDT
"Now Derek, on the other hand...'YEPPERS''!!!!!!!!! it would be a mind fuck! but that just shows how munch she loves john like any mother would do for there child. If you think about that episode when cameron is being beating up on by vick and john doesn't want to leave cameron sara didn't have to shot him she could've just cold cucked john and took him away but she didn't she does in her way care about cameron plus the cameron in a way as well for sara she didn't have to take sara throw time to 2007 to avold for her dying from cancer she could knocked john out take him against his will away from sara but it didn't go down like that thank god. So as for sara giving her life for cameron and john why not? 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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38. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 1:25 AM EDT
"Thanks for the compliment. That means a lot.Sorry Derek but Cameron has to live! Has anybody thought of maybe Derek was tortured by her and wants to get revenge! I also thought that could be what skynet wants sort of like maybe it was Derek who planted the Bomb in the Car and maybe Sarkisian was just a bystandered watching/getting out of there before the bomb goes off. I was also thinking that maybe Cameron could eventually influence other terminators programing by using her chip to overwrite the other terminators chip. Like Vicks, thus allowing John the ability to have another Terminator to protect them. Sort of like when Cameron goes into the Traffic system and shuts it down. Could she be able to over write a Terminator or even skynet! This would obviously be when she starts to develop more of a human personality first. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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39. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 1:33 AM EDT
"Oh one more thing i would like in season 2 to see john open up to cameron about his feelings tawards Arnold from T2.Oh shit sorry to go off the topic just would like to see how she reponses about him talking to her about him. I think cameron is not bad just wants to learn about us its not like she didn't want to save jordan the girl who killed herself at school or save the russians its just her main mission is not to drew any attention that could bad for sara and john's safety. I personly look farward to see what eles cameron asks about next and want to learn from us how ever weridI too would love to see John open up personally to Cameron like he seems to like doing in the future. In doing so, he may let slip that Kyle is is father or enough so that Cameron can put the puzzle pieces together and figure the relationship out. Maybe she then stealthily follows Derek and/or John to the park and sees them watching young Kyle and Derek play...seeing another side to what it means to be a family. If she has no ill will towards the kids (I hope!) then maybe she later on in another episode actually comes by herself and sits down in the bench and watches them play. Maybe Kyle overthrows his football and it lands next to Cameron. He walks over near her... and she looks down and sees the ball near her feet. Picks it up... and hands it right back with a small smile. Kyle smiles back. Perhaps she decides she should keep a protective watch on John's father and uncle from time to time... for John because of their family connection to John. It's an act of love and committment on the part of Cameron.. Again, another scene of Cameron's personal growth. Nothing bad. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |