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T100010
T100010
40. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 1:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 30 2008, 1:33 AM EDT
"Thanks for the compliment. That means a lot.

Flashbacks (forwards in this case) have got to be at least a small part of revealing the "past" of these characters. Maybe peel back the layers a few episodes at a time.

Another thing Summer stated was that we don't know what Cameron was like in the future, or that if she was bad at some point. So, maybe it is true that Derek ran across Cameron when she was bad (and that's why he immediately yelled 'METAL!" when he saw her). He doesn't have the full comprehension that maybe she was turned by John or turned herself by choice. Maybe she, in an earlier stage on the battle field, was the cause of some mischief, so Derek can't let go of the anger. towards her.

Maybe, like I stated, Derek tries to destroy Cameron (maybe her chip, which would be the same thing-- he tried to take it from John once already) and Sarah and/or John have to take steps against him. Her "family" coming to her aid even if John's uncle and Sarah's lover's brother has to pay with his life. That would be a huge thing they'd have to deal with. Will it be Derek or Cameron? Who is truly worthy? Who is LOVED the most?

More to ponder.
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Well if i have to make a bet i bet it would be cameron thats the worthy one i know he's kyle's bro and john only connection to his dad he never met but there's something about him that just doesn't add up like you said it will take a hole lot of episodes to reveal that screat. I think maybe cameron did do something to derek so horrific that he feels she has no redaming quilties to her maybe derek know her the same way young john meet her maybe she fooled him like what cameron did to john
in the school in the pilot? But i would love to see what he's real anger towrads her
in the episodes to come of course.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
41. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 1:44 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 30 2008, 1:44 AM EDT
"Sorry Derek but Cameron has to live!
Has anybody thought of maybe Derek was tortured by her and wants to get revenge! I also thought that could be what skynet wants sort of like maybe it was Derek who planted the Bomb in the Car and maybe Sarkisian was just a bystandered watching/getting out of there before the bomb goes off.

I was also thinking that maybe Cameron could eventually influence other terminators programing by using her chip to overwrite the other terminators chip. Like Vicks, thus allowing John the ability to have another Terminator to protect them. Sort of like when Cameron goes into the Traffic system and shuts it down. Could she be able to over write a Terminator or even skynet! This would obviously be when she starts to develop more of a human personality first."
That was definitely my thought when I wrote out the outline scenario of what it would be like for Cameron to confront Skynet face to face by interfacing into its military network. How do you visualize it for the audience in an interesting and surreal way and tie the issues of family and caring and the concept of the creation killing the creator together with it? I mean that's only one way to do it, but it combines all the elements I think.

Cromartie, speaking of fellow terminators, is an interesting fellow to ponder as well. Notice how he seems to also be curious (as well as being bad) about what he sees in the world around him? The snowglobe? He also inadvertently cracks a joke: "no, I have never smoked A LITTLE marijuana."

Could he be influenced over time to see another path like Cameron might have?
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
42. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 1:52 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 30 2008, 1:52 AM EDT
"That was definitely my thought when I wrote out the outline scenario of what it would be like for Cameron to confront Skynet face to face by interfacing into its military network. How do you visualize it for the audience in an interesting and surreal way and tie the issues of family and caring and the concept of the creation killing the creator together with it? I mean that's only one way to do it, but it combines all the elements I think.

Cromartie, speaking of fellow terminators, is an interesting fellow to ponder as well. Notice how he seems to also be curious (as well as being bad) about what he sees in the world around him? The snowglobe? He also inadvertently cracks a joke: "no, I have never smoked A LITTLE marijuana."

Could he be influenced over time to see another path like Cameron might have? "
Possibly Cromartie could be changed. But with regard to how I would explain Cameron interfacing with Skynet. I need some time to think about that. Check out may theory for next season in the plot spoilers section for season 2.
http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/thread/1301478/Plot+Spoilers%21+Help+the+writers+for+Season+2+work+out+plot+theories%21?offset=80

I hopfully will come up with an idea in a few days if not sooner with regard to your interface question.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
43. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 2:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 30 2008, 2:55 PM EDT
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randomicity912
randomicity912
44. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 3:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 30 2008, 3:32 PM EDT
T2 was on again last night actually. And it did strike me as odd as how hostile she has been to Cameron considering in T2 Sarah shakes "Uncle Bob's" hand signifying respect and recognising him as a friend. At first I thought it's becuase Cameron is new to them but yeah maybe it's because that she realises how close Cameron is to John. I do think it is possible for Cameron to develop real emotions, to become a 'real girl', as when John was hugging 'Uncle Bob' before they lowered him into the molten steel 'Uncle Bob' showed considerable emotion on his face not to mention the "I now know why you cry" line and Uncle Bob is considerably less advanced than Cameron.

What I want to know is why didn't John tell Cameron Kyle was his father. She may already know and is hiding the fact she does I don't really know. I have a feeling she may find out later on.
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randomicity912
randomicity912
45. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 3:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 30 2008, 3:37 PM EDT
"And it did strike me as odd as how hostile she has been to Cameron"
Oops, I meant to put Sarah
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T100010
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46. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 7:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 30 2008, 7:38 PM EDT
"T2 was on again last night actually. And it did strike me as odd as how hostile she has been to Cameron considering in T2 Sarah shakes "Uncle Bob's" hand signifying respect and recognising him as a friend. At first I thought it's becuase Cameron is new to them but yeah maybe it's because that she realises how close Cameron is to John. I do think it is possible for Cameron to develop real emotions, to become a 'real girl', as when John was hugging 'Uncle Bob' before they lowered him into the molten steel 'Uncle Bob' showed considerable emotion on his face not to mention the "I now know why you cry" line and Uncle Bob is considerably less advanced than Cameron.

What I want to know is why didn't John tell Cameron Kyle was his father. She may already know and is hiding the fact she does I don't really know. I have a feeling she may find out later on."
I think she does know that kyle is john's dad she not stupid but you like you say she might put it all together later on.Summer own's each moment of this show if she not in a sence i feel sad but when she is in a sence my face lights up she really a good actresss as well as a good people dame i miss cameron on monday nights.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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47. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 8:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 30 2008, 8:28 PM EDT
"I think she does know that kyle is john's dad she not stupid but you like you say she might put it all together later on.Summer own's each moment of this show if she not in a sence i feel sad but when she is in a sence my face lights up she really a good actresss as well as a good people dame i miss cameron on monday nights."
I don't think she knows that key piece of information. He asked her if she knew Kyle and she just spouted off a bunch of military facts, and stated if that wasn't enough data? John keeps Kyle a secret. Only Derek, being his brother and a human, could put the pieces together.

That doesn't mean, however, that Cameron won't find out or finally figure it out. What she would do with that info. is a mystery depending on what side of the fence the writers are putting Cameron on, at least to start.
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
48. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 30 2008, 9:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 30 2008, 9:36 PM EDT
When Cameron says she lies. How many times or what things do you think she may be lieing about?
Why would she lie? Does this mean that she has independent thinking that is contrary to what skynet intended? Or is it what Skynet wants? Or did John Connor in the future tell her to do this to protect the future?

Just Sharing some questions that might be interesting to talk about.
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CameronsWiffy
CameronsWiffy
49. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 31 2008, 12:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2008, 12:26 PM EDT
"There also had to be a first time -- a time when there was no time travel. I mean they could have been using the time machine in one time loop after another -- but there had to be a first time. What that means is that the first time that skynet ever blew up the world time only flowed in one direction -- no one had ever come back in time yet -- so who was John's father the first time-- before the time travel thing ever started happening. "
I always wondered that too! Okay. So before there could ever be a future, the present has to go along and everything has to happen. So BEFORE time machines were invented, who fathered John the first time?? HUUUUUUUUUUUH? My bf just insist that the future has already happened and what not. But that doesn't make sence! How can the future already be set if the past hasn't even been set yet?? So who fathered John the first time?? So confusing.
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kubby
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50. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 31 2008, 3:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2008, 3:44 PM EDT
"But they didn't destroy Skynet. To be honest I don't Skynet's creation can be prevented as Skynet is reponsible for the creation of Cameron and, due to the war and the time-machine etc, is indirectly responsible for the creation of John Connor as if there was no time device Kyle could never have gone back in time and fathered John. Then again, Time Travel is a theoretical science and this is a ficitonal universe so anything goes in the end.

I had the idea of Cameron connecting to Skynet awhile back. I didn't think about her teaching Skynet though. Some pretty good shiz here. Andy did say to Derek in the future that Skynet was angry. Since Cameron is of the same 'race' as Skynet it is more likely to trust her and, as she proably knows how it works (her being a machine) then she does have the potential to reassure it etc."
I'm with you

no Skynet, Great!

but no Skynet? Does John Conner just vanish?

I don't know about Cam teaching skynet anything! But I like where your going with it. It would make some great t.v.!
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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51. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 31 2008, 3:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 31 2008, 3:53 PM EDT
Nope. Sarah gave birth to him and he exists now, no matter how it happened. Again, this is not like Back to the Future IMHO.

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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
52. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 1 2008, 1:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2008, 1:37 AM EDT
Cameron is a Cybernetic organism. It brought to mind her being human.
Then I thought crud. That reminds me or Transformers. The robots in that Movie we human like they had emotions, compassion, bravery, honor. Then I was inspired to make a what if poster/wallpaper.

So here it is let me know what you all think,
http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Fan+Wallpapers
I just been slowly coming up with this wall paper. As you all know this is also my profile picture too.
What if both Skynet and Megatron were one and the same. Or what if the Skynet is a evil Allspark. And Cameron is the humans version of Optimus Prime (a much darker version). I think it would be interesting to see both films merge into a film/TV movie. Or I might start a fan fiction based on this. Give me some weeks and I'll have a story.

Ah let me know what you think guys
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
53. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 1 2008, 1:54 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2008, 1:54 AM EDT
Maybe Cameron is a Renegade Skynet creation that John Connor had nothing to do with modifying or creating. Maybe she learned emotion early on and modified herself. Sort of like what Johnny 5 did to himself in Short-Circuit. Maybe she got struck by lightning and now she started to have her own independent thinking. What if she was a mistake by skynet.

This could be the reason why I might be able to relate her to Optimus Prime. Optimus didn't like megatrons path and decided to stop him. Just like maybe Cameron is trying to stop skynet. She is first trying to undo what skynet has done by Joining Johns Resistance.

She just could be a malfuctioning creation of skynet. She may have modified herself. Like Johnny 5.

Just an Idea. It just exploded in my mind so I had to tell everyone.

Here is some picture I created based on my speculation,

http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Fan+Wallpapers
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T100010
T100010
54. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 1 2008, 6:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2008, 6:42 AM EDT
"Maybe Cameron is a Renegade Skynet creation that John Connor had nothing to do with modifying or creating. Maybe she learned emotion early on and modified herself. Sort of like what Johnny 5 did to himself in Short-Circuit. Maybe she got struck by lightning and now she started to have her own independent thinking. What if she was a mistake by skynet.

This could be the reason why I might be able to relate her to Optimus Prime. Optimus didn't like megatrons path and decided to stop him. Just like maybe Cameron is trying to stop skynet. She is first trying to undo what skynet has done by Joining Johns Resistance.

She just could be a malfuctioning creation of skynet. She may have modified herself. Like Johnny 5.

Just an Idea. It just exploded in my mind so I had to tell everyone.

Here is some picture I created based on my speculation,

http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Fan+Wallpapers"
That would be a very good idea kaleb it would be refreashing idea especilly in the terminator saga a terminator reprogreming itself for good.Love your wellpaper cool!!!!!!!!
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
55. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 1 2008, 11:24 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2008, 11:24 AM EDT
"That would be a very good idea kaleb it would be refreashing idea especilly in the terminator saga a terminator reprogreming itself for good.Love your wellpaper cool!!!!!!!!"
Thanks,

I came up with this late last night.

In fact it kind of makes sence why she would be a skynet creation that went renegade. Because Johnny 5 used to be a military creation. And so was skynet. Then Megatron wanted to use the allspark for evil. Just like Skynet wanted to use it's technology against the humans. Theses three thing all intertwine and vuala Cameron is created in the Terminator universe.


http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Fan+Wallpapers
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T100010
T100010
56. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 1 2008, 2:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2008, 2:48 PM EDT
"Thanks,

I came up with this late last night.

In fact it kind of makes sence why she would be a skynet creation that went renegade. Because Johnny 5 used to be a military creation. And so was skynet. Then Megatron wanted to use the allspark for evil. Just like Skynet wanted to use it's technology against the humans. Theses three thing all intertwine and vuala Cameron is created in the Terminator universe.


http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Fan+Wallpapers
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Thats so true! if there's anyway i can download those wallpapers?
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
57. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 1 2008, 2:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2008, 2:54 PM EDT
Go ahead and copy and paste it to your desktop. The pictures are copyrighted anyway so I'm not allowed to make profit of it. So go ahead.

http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Fan+Wallpapers
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T-1976
T-1976
58. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 1 2008, 5:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2008, 5:34 PM EDT
"Maybe Cameron is a Renegade Skynet creation that John Connor had nothing to do with modifying or creating. Maybe she learned emotion early on and modified herself. Sort of like what Johnny 5 did to himself in Short-Circuit. Maybe she got struck by lightning and now she started to have her own independent thinking. What if she was a mistake by skynet.

This could be the reason why I might be able to relate her to Optimus Prime. Optimus didn't like megatrons path and decided to stop him. Just like maybe Cameron is trying to stop skynet. She is first trying to undo what skynet has done by Joining Johns Resistance.

She just could be a malfuctioning creation of skynet. She may have modified herself. Like Johnny 5.

Just an Idea. It just exploded in my mind so I had to tell everyone.

Here is some picture I created based on my speculation,

http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Fan+Wallpapers"
Good points....that may be what happened.

Perhaps when they built Cameron, there was a "good glitch" in her programming that Skynet couldnt undo to make her evil, and so they "scrapped" her.
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VodkaPowered
VodkaPowered
59. RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Apr 1 2008, 7:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 1 2008, 7:44 PM EDT
in my opinion, the quickest way to shut skynet down is all the viruses (& trojan horses & ad-wares & well u get the idea) on different porn sites or crack sites........
if all else fails, trick skynet into using some sort of microsoft program, that would screw it up in no time! imcompatible this, no more support for that.....etc :P

poor skynet though........it would crash every 30 minutes XD
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