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M][KE
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40. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 8 2008, 1:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 1:26 PM EDT
"I wonder, if they develop a relationship...John and Cameron that is, how will the directors do it? They can't just suddenly have them having sex or something...lol. What do you think the first step of moving toward John and Cameron having a romantic relationship? Have they already taken the first step? For example, that scene with John reinserting her memory chip, for a moment he was staring at her as she was inactive, foreshadowing possibly he already has feelings for her. Personally I think Cameron might have a curiousity with human relationships, and possibly try to explore it herself or kiss John in the wrong context or something. "
I really hope they don't have a sexual relationship, it goes way to far and I don't think they could write it properly. If they play the tension off between them for as long as possible and it comes to a kiss, I reckon it could be just as effective emotionally.
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john121984
john121984
41. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 8 2008, 1:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 1:38 PM EDT
"I wonder, if they develop a relationship...John and Cameron that is, how will the directors do it? They can't just suddenly have them having sex or something...lol. What do you think the first step of moving toward John and Cameron having a romantic relationship? Have they already taken the first step? For example, that scene with John reinserting her memory chip, for a moment he was staring at her as she was inactive, foreshadowing possibly he already has feelings for her. Personally I think Cameron might have a curiousity with human relationships, and possibly try to explore it herself or kiss John in the wrong context or something. "
Maybe we will find out in season 2 . I hope.
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Michelle67D
Michelle67D
42. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 8 2008, 3:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 3:42 PM EDT
"I wonder, if they develop a relationship...John and Cameron that is, how will the directors do it? They can't just suddenly have them having sex or something...lol. What do you think the first step of moving toward John and Cameron having a romantic relationship? Have they already taken the first step? For example, that scene with John reinserting her memory chip, for a moment he was staring at her as she was inactive, foreshadowing possibly he already has feelings for her. Personally I think Cameron might have a curiousity with human relationships, and possibly try to explore it herself or kiss John in the wrong context or something. "
She could have had relationship with Future John and just hasn't told present John. Before John looked at the chip Cameron admitted she had kept important things from him.

It may even be possible that her little "small talk" about Vick touching his wife may have been her way of testing the waters to see if John was ready to learn about her and Future John and she assessed from it he wasn't ready.

If future John did have a relationship with her he probably would have told Cameron to keep quite about it until his younger self was ready to hear it.

I think it's possible that Cameron may even be holding back on how emotionally developed she already is. She only shows what she believes people are ready to handle. The Connors expect a machine so she gives them one. In the future John may have been able to handle the more human like Cameron.

Just speculation of course, but if they went that direction they could even explore a John/Cameron relationship in flashback/flashforwards rather than having it happen in the present. Maybe through Cameron remembering as John gets involved with someone else.

And later if they wanted to get them together in the present the relationship would feel new and not old hat.
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john121984
john121984
43. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 8 2008, 4:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 4:47 PM EDT
"She could have had relationship with Future John and just hasn't told present John. Before John looked at the chip Cameron admitted she had kept important things from him.

It may even be possible that her little "small talk" about Vick touching his wife may have been her way of testing the waters to see if John was ready to learn about her and Future John and she assessed from it he wasn't ready.

If future John did have a relationship with her he probably would have told Cameron to keep quite about it until his younger self was ready to hear it.

I think it's possible that Cameron may even be holding back on how emotionally developed she already is. She only shows what she believes people are ready to handle. The Connors expect a machine so she gives them one. In the future John may have been able to handle the more human like Cameron.

Just speculation of course, but if they went that direction they could even explore a John/Cameron relationship in flashback/flashforwards rather than having it happen in the present. Maybe through Cameron remembering as John gets involved with someone else.

And later if they wanted to get them together in the present the relationship would feel new and not old hat.
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Sooner or later he will probably ask her what their relationship is like in the future.
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john121984
john121984
44. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 8 2008, 5:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 5:45 PM EDT
"She could have had relationship with Future John and just hasn't told present John. Before John looked at the chip Cameron admitted she had kept important things from him.

It may even be possible that her little "small talk" about Vick touching his wife may have been her way of testing the waters to see if John was ready to learn about her and Future John and she assessed from it he wasn't ready.

If future John did have a relationship with her he probably would have told Cameron to keep quite about it until his younger self was ready to hear it.

I think it's possible that Cameron may even be holding back on how emotionally developed she already is. She only shows what she believes people are ready to handle. The Connors expect a machine so she gives them one. In the future John may have been able to handle the more human like Cameron.

Just speculation of course, but if they went that direction they could even explore a John/Cameron relationship in flashback/flashforwards rather than having it happen in the present. Maybe through Cameron remembering as John gets involved with someone else.

And later if they wanted to get them together in the present the relationship would feel new and not old hat.
"
Yea it did seem like when they were looking at that chip and talking she was trying to tell him something then Sarah walked in.
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Michelle67D
Michelle67D
45. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 8 2008, 6:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 6:22 PM EDT
"Sooner or later he will probably ask her what their relationship is like in the future."
If they go with a future relationship I think it's more,likely that John may find out about it by accident. He may have to work on her chip or something and come across some memories that reveal the truth.

It would be a real longshot but it's possible that Derek may know something about them or maybe he suspects - could be one of the reasons he wanted her out of the house so bad.
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Kirstiegirl
Kirstiegirl
46. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 8 2008, 7:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 7:26 PM EDT
I also think that john is devloping feelings for Cam. Because when vick was beating her up he had this look on his face that showed care for her. Mabye he also has a sense that he has to protect her. Sounds stupid i know but ya never know 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Michelle67D
Michelle67D
47. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 8 2008, 8:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 8:32 PM EDT
"I also think that john is devloping feelings for Cam. Because when vick was beating her up he had this look on his face that showed care for her. Mabye he also has a sense that he has to protect her. Sounds stupid i know but ya never know"
I agree with you on that.John was practically risking his life by possibly being identified by Vick or accidentaly shot when he was going for Derek. He wasn't thinking "Oh she's just my bodyguard - she can take care of herself. He was acting from his heart.
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SilentHer0
48. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 8 2008, 10:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 10:18 PM EDT
I think John has felt something for Cameron all the way through indeed. From the minute her met her in that class when she asked him his name. Even though he found out she was a Terminator, he said to her, "You're Different", and she replied, " I am..(eats a chip)" I think that in itself started something between them. John has always had a curiosity for Terminators, Arnold, and now Cameron. In Queen's Gambit, Cameron was being attacked by Vick and he tried to rescue her. In the second episode, he kind was worried her got knocked out after the electrical shock from the vault and furthermore the memory chip scene on the bed. John definitely has feelings for Cameron or rather he is definitely starting to feel something by this point in the show. I think season 2 will further develop that, as of this moment, i don't think Cameron feels anything for John, simply because he's just her mission....nothing more. She's still learning indeed. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
SusanWillow
SusanWillow
49. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 8 2008, 10:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2008, 10:26 PM EDT
" John definitely has feelings for Cameron or rather he is definitely starting to feel something by this point in the show. I think season 2 will further develop that, as of this moment, i don't think Cameron feels anything for John, simply because he's just her mission....nothing more. She's still learning indeed. "
Agreed. I think at this point she is learning how to fake intimacy but has really developed it. She's making observations, like when she said "that was effective", and then filing them away. I think eventually she'll use what shes learning but I doub it will be with John... or Morris for that matter.
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CyborgBoy101
50. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 9 2008, 12:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2008, 12:58 PM EDT
"I dont think Cameron will die (or the correct term is "terminate") at the end of the series...at least I hope she wont be. It would be a better ending to see her finally get her "humanity"

Kinda like at the end of The Wizard of Oz when the characters got their respective "rewards"...though it was revealed that they had it in themselves all along. :)"
Just like 'Data in Star Trek - Next Generation'. He died, trying s hard to get his 'humanity'. However, his death was noble, which makes you wonder if Picard can ever do that'.
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john121984
john121984
51. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 9 2008, 1:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2008, 1:34 PM EDT
"I think John has felt something for Cameron all the way through indeed. From the minute her met her in that class when she asked him his name. Even though he found out she was a Terminator, he said to her, "You're Different", and she replied, " I am..(eats a chip)" I think that in itself started something between them. John has always had a curiosity for Terminators, Arnold, and now Cameron. In Queen's Gambit, Cameron was being attacked by Vick and he tried to rescue her. In the second episode, he kind was worried her got knocked out after the electrical shock from the vault and furthermore the memory chip scene on the bed. John definitely has feelings for Cameron or rather he is definitely starting to feel something by this point in the show. I think season 2 will further develop that, as of this moment, i don't think Cameron feels anything for John, simply because he's just her mission....nothing more. She's still learning indeed. "
She seems to have more of a history with future John than she is telling right now.
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SusanWillow
SusanWillow
52. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 9 2008, 4:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2008, 4:02 PM EDT
"She seems to have more of a history with future John than she is telling right now."
Perhaps she hasn't told more because no one has asked.
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--sean--
53. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 10 2008, 9:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 10 2008, 9:45 PM EDT
They definately have taken the first step. When he puts her chip back in her head, he strokes her hair while waiting for her to reboot. when she does reboot, she sees that he is leaning over her, but he turns away from her, and in slight embarrasment he asks her what she saw. he definately has some emotional attachment to her, and like others here have said, she acts more human when she is with john, so i think she is also developing some sort of attachment to him as well.

john better not let uncle derek find out. . .but that would be an interesting plot device-to have cameron kiss john or something and derek walk in on them. it would make for a very interesting episode.
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SusanWillow
SusanWillow
54. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 10 2008, 9:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 10 2008, 9:53 PM EDT
"john better not let uncle derek find out. . .but that would be an interesting plot device-to have cameron kiss john or something and derek walk in on them. it would make for a very interesting episode.

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you know theres a fanfic on here about that! Youshould read it. She's only posted the first chapter though.
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
55. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 10 2008, 9:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 10 2008, 9:54 PM EDT
"john better not let uncle derek find out. . .but that would be an interesting plot device-to have cameron kiss john or something and derek walk in on them. it would make for a very interesting episode."
I agree Derek would go crazy. The First thing I think he would say is, "Metal Bit#*#! what the hell are youe doin
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
56. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 10 2008, 10:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 10 2008, 10:28 PM EDT
From what I gather from the snippets of interviews it's as if Cameron is actually LEARNING to be human in the present moreso than in the Future, just like Arnold did. So, how can Future John and Cameron be in a real relationship, if Cameron is just developing these feelings in the present? That wouldn't make any sense from a character development standpoint.

As Summer stated, she would personally like Cameron to perhaps find real love and be the first Terminator to do so, not just programmed mission statements like "protect John."
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
57. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 10 2008, 10:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 10 2008, 10:32 PM EDT
"From what I gather from the snippets of interviews it's as if Cameron is actually LEARNING to be human in the present moreso than in the Future, just like Arnold did. So, how can Future John and Cameron be in a real relationship, if Cameron is just developing these feelings in the present? That wouldn't make any sense from a character development standpoint.

As Summer stated, she would personally like Cameron to perhaps find real love and be the first Terminator to do so, not just programmed mission statements like "protect John." "
I agree with you on that. I think she may be learning more in the present because she is around people in normal settings. I other words she in not in a war destroyed and desolated planet. She is in the present where she can interacte with real humans in real settings. So with that in mind she may be able to become a normal person. Instead of a preprogramed murderer.
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Michelle67D
Michelle67D
58. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 11 2008, 10:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 11 2008, 10:04 AM EDT
"From what I gather from the snippets of interviews it's as if Cameron is actually LEARNING to be human in the present moreso than in the Future, just like Arnold did. So, how can Future John and Cameron be in a real relationship, if Cameron is just developing these feelings in the present? That wouldn't make any sense from a character development standpoint.

As Summer stated, she would personally like Cameron to perhaps find real love and be the first Terminator to do so, not just programmed mission statements like "protect John." "
As her emotions develop in the present she will be drawn to John because she did love him in the future and didn't realize it was love.

The tin man discovers it had a heart all along.

As for a relationship with future John - we already know that she was his confidant. She said that John talked about the tin-man a lot. I think the reason he may have being doing that was that he loved her and wanted her to be able to return that love.

John may have touched her face in the future much like present John did when he put her chip back in but she had no understanding of what that meant. Most of her experience may have been the war.

But in the present she has different experiences -- real living if you will -- she can come to the understanding of what John touching her is all about.

Which makes me think that John sending her back(personally at least on his part) was more about the tin man gaining a heart than stopping skynet. All his life to be denied a real life with someone he loves -- gotta weigh heavy on a person.



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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
59. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 11 2008, 12:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 11 2008, 12:21 PM EDT
"As her emotions develop in the present she will be drawn to John because she did love him in the future and didn't realize it was love.

The tin man discovers it had a heart all along.

As for a relationship with future John - we already know that she was his confidant. She said that John talked about the tin-man a lot. I think the reason he may have being doing that was that he loved her and wanted her to be able to return that love.

John may have touched her face in the future much like present John did when he put her chip back in but she had no understanding of what that meant. Most of her experience may have been the war.

But in the present she has different experiences -- real living if you will -- she can come to the understanding of what John touching her is all about.

Which makes me think that John sending her back(personally at least on his part) was more about the tin man gaining a heart than stopping skynet. All his life to be denied a real life with someone he loves -- gotta weigh heavy on a person.



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Yes, that would follow. He loves her, and wants her to be able reciprocate those feelings, which is hard in the future when all you think about is war and surviving.

Could it be one reason that John had Cameron save Sarah? That maybe one thing Cameron (besides John, obviously) lacked was a mother figure to help instill certain things (values, life lessons, etc.) into her character. A strong mother can sure "slap" some sense into you when you've strayed!! And Sarah sure did that with Cameron. =)

They sure put an emphasis on the Tin-Man's story throughout. Why would they do that if not to have Cameron follow the same path. And, of course, to show that Sarah is starting to accept Cameron in some small way: she starts out calling her Tin-Man, then switches to Tin-Miss, in deference to accepting her as female and not just an "it."
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