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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
80. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 11 2008, 10:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 11 2008, 10:19 PM EDT
"If they decide to kill off Derek, perhaps thats how they will do it...a fight between him and Cameron :P "
Well, we know how much Derek hates machines, and if one was in a possibly serious relationship with a human, let alone John, his head would explode. And as a double whammy for him it's Cameron, who he doesn't trust at all. That would be an interesting turn of events.

Things would certainly get tense in the Connor household, whether Sarah would ultimately surrender to the inevitable like she did with Arnold being a kind of father for John or not. Derek would not make things any easier, that's for sure!
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T-1976
T-1976
81. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 11 2008, 11:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 11 2008, 11:11 PM EDT
"Well, we know how much Derek hates machines, and if one was in a possibly serious relationship with a human, let alone John, his head would explode. And as a double whammy for him it's Cameron, who he doesn't trust at all. That would be an interesting turn of events.

Things would certainly get tense in the Connor household, whether Sarah would ultimately surrender to the inevitable like she did with Arnold being a kind of father for John or not. Derek would not make things any easier, that's for sure!"
It would be for sure...however...I must say that I wouldnt really want to see a "soap opera atmosphere" to enter into the series.

A little drama is good for the series, as we have already seen. But nothing "Jerry Springer type"......lol ^_^

My nephew is having a fling with a robot, and im ticked off....on the next Jerry Springer!!
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
82. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 12 2008, 2:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 12 2008, 2:39 AM EDT
I was just thinking what if this was the case. Please listen everyone and let me know what you think

We know that the T-3 Rise of machine future will not ever happen. Katherine Brewster will not become Johns Wife.
So what if Skynet in the future knew who John Connor wife was and decided to make a terminator version of her. Yep what if there is a real Cameron Philips out there that is human who later gets married to John Connor!!!!!!!!!!!!. Because Arnolds terminator T-800 model 101 was modeled after a real military person. So what if skynet made another infiltrator in the future to kill Johns wife pose as her and kill him in the future. But in this attempt the terminator failed. Was then Captured and then reprogramed by John Connor to help himself prevent skynet. And if terminator Cameron couldn't prevent this she would be assigned to protect his wife. The real one. So I'm just basicly saying that what if Cameron was based off a real person. And the real version of her was John Connor's wife. Because we do know for a fact that Cameron acts differently around John. So she may be programed by Future John as to how his wife would act. Because unfortunately what if the terminator Cameron killed his wife. So as a replacement for her he used the Terminator Cameron.

What do you guys think?
I just thought of this when I was thinking that all terminator must be based on a human host. This would also lead you to belive that maybe Derek in the basement was being examined to be turned into a terminator. Because they extracted his blood. Thus allowing for the creation of skin based on his body. So maybe their are Derek Terminator running around in the future.

I really want to know what Everyone thinks about this idea and will it be used for the show!
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SusanWillow
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83. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 12 2008, 11:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 12 2008, 11:05 AM EDT
"I was just thinking what if this was the case. Please listen everyone and let me know what you think

We know that the T-3 Rise of machine future will not ever happen. Katherine Brewster will not become Johns Wife.
So what if Skynet in the future knew who John Connor wife was and decided to make a terminator version of her. Yep what if there is a real Cameron Philips out there that is human who later gets married to John Connor!!!!!!!!!!!!. Because Arnolds terminator T-800 model 101 was modeled after a real military person. So what if skynet made another infiltrator in the future to kill Johns wife pose as her and kill him in the future. But in this attempt the terminator failed. Was then Captured and then reprogramed by John Connor to help himself prevent skynet. And if terminator Cameron couldn't prevent this she would be assigned to protect his wife. The real one. So I'm just basicly saying that what if Cameron was based off a real person. And the real version of her was John Connor's wife. Because we do know for a fact that Cameron acts differently around John. So she may be programed by Future John as to how his wife would act. Because unfortunately what if the terminator Cameron killed his wife. So as a replacement for her he used the Terminator Cameron.

What do you guys think?
I just thought of this when I was thinking that all terminator must be based on a human host. This would also lead you to belive that maybe Derek in the basement was being examined to be turned into a terminator. Because they extracted his blood. Thus allowing for the creation of skin based on his body. So maybe their are Derek Terminator running around in the future.

I really want to know what Everyone thinks about this idea and will it be used for the show!"
Although I do like your theory about them making Terminator versions of the people in the work camps, I don't think the real Cam was Johns wife. YOung John falling for the fake Cam instead of the real one might throw off the real one being his wife in the future.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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84. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 12 2008, 12:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 12 2008, 12:46 PM EDT
"It would be for sure...however...I must say that I wouldnt really want to see a "soap opera atmosphere" to enter into the series.

A little drama is good for the series, as we have already seen. But nothing "Jerry Springer type"......lol ^_^

My nephew is having a fling with a robot, and im ticked off....on the next Jerry Springer!! "
Oh, it doesn't have to be a soap opera. It gets to the fundamental fears some people have with technology, that soon you won't be able to tell the difference. That humans might actually start loving their robot companions in the distant future. And what if the robot loves you back?

Derek could represent those fears and prejudices in his reaction to a John/Cameron "thing."

That's what I'm getting at.

Though it would be funny as a spoof to have Derek, Cameron, John, and Sarah on Springer! =)

Cameron finally gets heated at Derek for trying to bust up their relationship and starts screaming at him: "I hate you! You're ruining our lives!!" She picks up one of the metal chairs and chases Derek around the ailes shouting, "oh, you better run, you --BLEEP-- bastard!!" John and Sarah are yelling at Derek and Cameron and start swearing at Jerry Springer, that it's all his fault.

All while Jerry tries to calm the pandemonium that's erupted and the audience shouts: "JERRY!! JERRY!!"

=)
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
85. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 12 2008, 3:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 12 2008, 3:36 PM EDT
"Although I do like your theory about them making Terminator versions of the people in the work camps, I don't think the real Cam was Johns wife. YOung John falling for the fake Cam instead of the real one might throw off the real one being his wife in the future."
I just think that if they prevent skynet and they have to destroy Cameron in the end to get rid of the technology. When we see her get distroyed. Coincidently later on John Bumps into the real Cameron Philips( obviously a younger version) and he falls in love with her. Sort of like how the Movie The ONE ended. His wife died. But he was able to meet her again. But I'm not refering to parrelel dimensions. I just talking about John Maybe meeting the Real Cameron in the future to the series finale.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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86. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 12 2008, 4:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 12 2008, 4:56 PM EDT
"I just think that if they prevent skynet and they have to destroy Cameron in the end to get rid of the technology. When we see her get distroyed. Coincidently later on John Bumps into the real Cameron Philips( obviously a younger version) and he falls in love with her. Sort of like how the Movie The ONE ended. His wife died. But he was able to meet her again. But I'm not refering to parrelel dimensions. I just talking about John Maybe meeting the Real Cameron in the future to the series finale."
Interesting concept, but I still like the idea of Cameron being one of the characters that gets to live this time around. When she finds her heart she gets the opportunity to continue on as a kind of gift (the reward the Wizard of Oz bestows upon Tin Miss or like the Pinocchio fable). An A.I. who's found something special that no other being like her has ever had. It gives hope for the future.

Finding a real human Cameron would negate IMHO the whole point that this Cameron was really no different, in the end, as a human (what Sarah stated). She has value, and a human version wouldn't really be that much better. You could have biological kids, but that isn't always the most important component to loving someone with all your heart.
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Michelle67D
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87. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 12 2008, 5:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 12 2008, 5:11 PM EDT
Honestly I think that one of the reason's John may be so attracted to her in the first place is because she's a machine. I mean he's really into machines/Computers. Would a human Cameron hold as much interest for him? Sometimes it's the mystery of being different that draws two people together. 7  out of 7 found this valuable. Do you?    
Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
88. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 12 2008, 5:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 12 2008, 5:29 PM EDT
"Interesting concept, but I still like the idea of Cameron being one of the characters that gets to live this time around. When she finds her heart she gets the opportunity to continue on as a kind of gift (the reward the Wizard of Oz bestows upon Tin Miss or like the Pinocchio fable). An A.I. who's found something special that no other being like her has ever had. It gives hope for the future.

Finding a real human Cameron would negate IMHO the whole point that this Cameron was really no different, in the end, as a human (what Sarah stated). She has value, and a human version wouldn't really be that much better. You could have biological kids, but that isn't always the most important component to loving someone with all your heart. "
I agree. But, I'm just saying that Cameron has to be based on some kind of human. That's my main point.
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T-1976
T-1976
89. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 12 2008, 5:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 12 2008, 5:32 PM EDT
"Honestly I think that one of the reason's John may be so attracted to her in the first place is because she's a machine. I mean he's really into machines/Computers. Would a human Cameron hold as much interest for him? Sometimes it's the mystery of being different that draws two people together."
That's a good point...in fact, i was thinking about that myself. He may have a certain amount of facination of her as a robot

She's very attractive, and she's a machine..you know for us guys who love technology and beautiful women...that's the perfect package. I'm sure John feels the same way. And perhaps he feels that she "wont do him wrong"...no cheating on him, no lying, etc..

But I digress

You all have some very good points. :) Interesting discussion
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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90. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 13 2008, 11:48 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 13 2008, 11:48 AM EDT
Here's another scenario I mentioned in a different thread, that might be more appropriate here:

We just don't know how far they will take this John and Cameron relationship, but at the very least I bet they kiss at some point (as a start to something more later on?). Maybe Cameron sees other students doing this, and again her curiosity takes over (like in "Vick's Chip"). Cameron could also be "jealous" in a way of Cheri. She sometimes looks like she's not happy John is paying any attention to her (just quick expressions).

Perhaps at home (not at school, that would blow their cover wide open!) Cameron has been asking about boy/girl relationships with Sarah and/or John. It could be that Cameron "makes the first move" rather than John (that would be a twist and a half!).since he's so timid and shy about expressing his underlying feelings.

A good way to do this is at Christmas time and Cameron has seen people kissing when they get under a sprig of mistletoe at school or at a party, and it intrigues her (why do people have this response with that plant at this time of year?). Have some mistletoe hanging in the doorway at home (maybe Cameron stealthily put some up when they were hangind decorations) and as John walks under it, she walks up next to him, points up at the sprig, John looks up, seems confused for a second, and then realization dawns and he glances back down at Cameron. Cameron grabs his shirt, leans in and kisses him on the lips. Not only that, but you notice that John's feet have been lifted slightly off the floor (she's enthusiastic). She finally stops, sets him back down, gives John a curious look with her hand kind of smoothing his shirt back, and walks off leaving a completely stunned and speachless John in her wake. He turns to her with eyes wide, and she looks back quickly, and gives him another famous wink and a sly smile and keeps walking away.

What about that?
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Omegarium
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91. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 13 2008, 11:59 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 13 2008, 11:59 AM EDT
They won't, because Sarah told her not to kiss anyone. 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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92. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 13 2008, 12:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 13 2008, 12:08 PM EDT
"They won't, because Sarah told her not to kiss anyone."
But Sarah was joking. You know that little motherly advice she gets flip with sometimes.
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SusanWillow
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93. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 13 2008, 2:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 13 2008, 2:17 PM EDT
"But Sarah was joking. You know that little motherly advice she gets flip with sometimes. "
She's only programmed to take orders from future John anyway remember. SHe said so herself. So if she wants to she can just go on with her badself and kiss John.
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CoffeeHeidi
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94. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 13 2008, 2:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 13 2008, 2:38 PM EDT
For the past couple of days I've trying to wrap my brain around folks' desire for a John-Cameron s*xual relationship. Trying to be nice and fair rather than simply run around screaming, "Ewww!" (The neighbors are surely getting curious by now. :-P ) The best answer I could come up with is that as a hetro female, I have no physical desire for Summer Glau/Cameron and therefore no interest in seeing her in a romantic relationship. (Though the idea of Cameron going to the prom with Morris has me ROTLOL!) Goodness only knows I cheered for John Crichton and Aeryn Sun (Farscape) and Mal and Inarra (Firefly.) But again, I don't feel the same towards Cameron. Therefore, no desire to see her hook up with John. John being the person everyone seems to be rooting for with her.

On a different note, I have no problem with sentient robots hooking up with humans such as we saw in the movie "Bicentennial Man." But the plain fact is that Cameron is at the core of her being a Terminator. John has said as much. He's witnessed creepy stuff in "Vic's Chip." It is *this* that repulses me.

Plus, what's so wrong with John having a normal healthy relationship with Cheri? She's a tragic character in her own right and John is obviously drawn to her. Let the poor kid have some normality in his insane life.

All of this is said without malice. I'm just trying to understand it all and keep an open mind. :-)
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SusanWillow
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95. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 13 2008, 3:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 13 2008, 3:06 PM EDT
"For the past couple of days I've trying to wrap my brain around folks' desire for a John-Cameron s*xual relationship. Trying to be nice and fair rather than simply run around screaming, "Ewww!" (The neighbors are surely getting curious by now. :-P ) The best answer I could come up with is that as a hetro female, I have no physical desire for Summer Glau/Cameron and therefore no interest in seeing her in a romantic relationship. (Though the idea of Cameron going to the prom with Morris has me ROTLOL!) Goodness only knows I cheered for John Crichton and Aeryn Sun (Farscape) and Mal and Inarra (Firefly.) But again, I don't feel the same towards Cameron. Therefore, no desire to see her hook up with John. John being the person everyone seems to be rooting for with her.

On a different note, I have no problem with sentient robots hooking up with humans such as we saw in the movie "Bicentennial Man." But the plain fact is that Cameron is at the core of her being a Terminator. John has said as much. He's witnessed creepy stuff in "Vic's Chip." It is *this* that repulses me.

Plus, what's so wrong with John having a normal healthy relationship with Cheri? She's a tragic character in her own right and John is obviously drawn to her. Let the poor kid have some normality in his insane life.

All of this is said without malice. I'm just trying to understand it all and keep an open mind. :-) "
I can completely understand the no attraction to Summer Glau.... I personally think she's the hottest thing since sliced bread but I understand where yo're coming from.
Maybe its that you think of here as lil river tam still? I'm not drawn to Cheri's personality.... and she pretty much screams "hey me and my fam are totally off our rocker right now". Especially with the whole "Walk away JOhn" incident. LIke Morris said, "damaged". A relationship with her would be so much stress and drama. I thnk he has enough of that already in his life. Cameron is alrady a part of the whole sit so why not take advantage of the conveniency.
Wow I just objectified Cameron.... and I'm supposed to be a feminist... DOH!
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HK103
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96. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 13 2008, 3:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 13 2008, 3:54 PM EDT
"Plus, what's so wrong with John having a normal healthy relationship with Cheri? She's a tragic character in her own right and John is obviously drawn to her. Let the poor kid have some normality in his insane life.

"
I'm the other way around I guess. Normal love stories hold no interest to me. Cheri is just a girl with daddy issues, it's all been done many times before. I do agree though that John needs to experience a normal girlfriend (before/if something happens with Cameron), and probably will. On the other hand, maybe because it's such a straightforward logic is exactly why it wont happen.

By contrast, the idea that John may have a crush on his protector killing machine, and that it does creep him out, yet he can't help himself but like her. How would rationalize that? How will Cameron develop, how would she react if she noticed? Would she just use that to her advantage? Or does tin miss have a heart? It's something that has me intrigued.

John & Cameron is controversial, it's haunting, it's something to think about. It's possibly the ultimate forbidden love -- for real. And it's exactly why it's interesting.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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97. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 13 2008, 4:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 13 2008, 4:07 PM EDT
"I can completely understand the no attraction to Summer Glau.... I personally think she's the hottest thing since sliced bread but I understand where yo're coming from.
Maybe its that you think of here as lil river tam still? I'm not drawn to Cheri's personality.... and she pretty much screams "hey me and my fam are totally off our rocker right now". Especially with the whole "Walk away JOhn" incident. LIke Morris said, "damaged". A relationship with her would be so much stress and drama. I thnk he has enough of that already in his life. Cameron is alrady a part of the whole sit so why not take advantage of the conveniency.
Wow I just objectified Cameron.... and I'm supposed to be a feminist... DOH!"
I don't necessarily think an "adult" relationship is where they ought to go right now anyway... and I'm a red blooded male! LOL!! That's too much, too soon.

If the relationship is tender, warm, with deep friendship and need underlying it, and works with the development of Cameron into a more human "being" then I say... why not? It doesn't have to be a soap opera or Ross-n-Rachel on again/off again silliness. Just something that bonds the two main characters more closely together over time.

John is attracted to her because she's beautiful, mysterious, and a machine unlike any other. She's intriguing, and he is very interested in all those things. She's right for him in more ways than one. A regular human female may not be able to cope with all the nuttiness that surrounds life with John and Sarah. Plus the fact that a good looking body guard would be around him all the time!
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Omegarium
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98. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 13 2008, 4:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 13 2008, 4:10 PM EDT
The fact that she's a machine makes her human side and features much more obvious, or noticeable, that's why a romance would work, IMO. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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99. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 13 2008, 4:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 13 2008, 4:22 PM EDT
"The fact that she's a machine makes her human side and features much more obvious, or noticeable, that's why a romance would work, IMO."
I agree!

Within the Terminator universe John and Cameron are like... soul mates. If Cameron as a machine finds friendship, happiness and love in her way, the audience would feel, care, and root for her even more than it does now. Far more than Arnold who still remained a walking punch-line for most of T2.

With that all said and if comes true, then would Sarah... and even John (??) lay down their lives for her protection and survival even when everything is at stake? This John just might without a second thought, but what about Sarah? That's the definition of real love right there.
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