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SilentHer0
Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 1:53 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 1:53 AM EDT
John's life changed significantly the day he met Cameron, appealing as a beautiful cool and calm schoolgirl until she rammed a truck up Cromartie's ass saving his life and stating the legendary quote, "Come with Me if You Want to Live!". What did future John have in store for his younger self when he sent back Cameron? Is Cameron just his protector? A Friend? or Something more? Since the first episode their relationship has been evolving and growing. What are your thoughts? Share your opinions. 34  out of 35 found this valuable. Do you?    
Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
1. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 2:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 2:04 AM EDT
"John's life changed significantly the day he met Cameron, appealing as a beautiful cool and calm schoolgirl until she rammed a truck up Cromartie's ass saving his life and stating the legendary quote, "Come with Me if You Want to Live!". What did future John have in store for his younger self when he sent back Cameron? Is Cameron just his protector? A Friend? or Something more? Since the first episode their relationship has been evolving and growing. What are your thoughts? Share your opinions."
I think she is both a protector and friend. They must be very close especially since she knows him so well. I think she may have been around even before he sent kyle or Arnold back in time. Hopefully we will learn more about their past in next season. But I think this thread is going to start to go more in the deeper relationship between them. But, for now I'm just going to say friends but we may see that John and Cameron my develop somthing more. Sort of like BSG. We do know for certain that future John plan was to play on his youngerselves emotions because Cameron is obviously a beautiful Cybernetic Organism. And she is causing some great infulence on Younger John. Especially in the scene when she says, "that's effective"
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SilentHer0
2. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 2:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 2:23 AM EDT
"I think she is both a protector and friend. They must be very close especially since she knows him so well. I think she may have been around even before he sent kyle or Arnold back in time. Hopefully we will learn more about their past in next season. But I think this thread is going to start to go more in the deeper relationship between them. But, for now I'm just going to say friends but we may see that John and Cameron my develop somthing more. Sort of like BSG. We do know for certain that future John plan was to play on his youngerselves emotions because Cameron is obviously a beautiful Cybernetic Organism. And she is causing some great infulence on Younger John. Especially in the scene when she says, "that's effective""
I think she is his protector and friend. They must be very close in the future you're right. I think John definitely feels something for Cameron because of all the signs and moments throughout the season. Not only is she close to him, in a way she's already contributed to his character development, telling him what he will be and what the future holds for him. In the pilot episode she says, "In the future you have many friends...", which is just one example of how she's influencing him. John at the moment is lost I think, he's sort finding himself amongst all the craziness in his life, Cameron in a way helps him make sense of it. John is also teaching Cameron about humans, grieving, friends etc, they're learning from each other, making their fates more intertwined then I realized. I think it's extremely ironic that John being the leader of mankind against the Terminators in the future, is naturally attracted to Terminators in a personal way because he's grown attached to two of them, the original T-800 model (Arnold) and now, Cameron. In Terminator 3, John at the end of the movie says that the Terminator taught him, "Never Stop Fighting and he never will". In a way, John' s development of character comes from what he learned during his experience with the T-800 and Cameron, which leads him to victory in the future. In a way, Terminators taught him how to fight and ultimately to defeat Terminators. IF that makes any sense.
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intrepid
intrepid
3. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 3:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 3:58 AM EDT
"I think she is his protector and friend. They must be very close in the future you're right. I think John definitely feels something for Cameron because of all the signs and moments throughout the season. Not only is she close to him, in a way she's already contributed to his character development, telling him what he will be and what the future holds for him. In the pilot episode she says, "In the future you have many friends...", which is just one example of how she's influencing him. John at the moment is lost I think, he's sort finding himself amongst all the craziness in his life, Cameron in a way helps him make sense of it. John is also teaching Cameron about humans, grieving, friends etc, they're learning from each other, making their fates more intertwined then I realized. I think it's extremely ironic that John being the leader of mankind against the Terminators in the future, is naturally attracted to Terminators in a personal way because he's grown attached to two of them, the original T-800 model (Arnold) and now, Cameron. In Terminator 3, John at the end of the movie says that the Terminator taught him, "Never Stop Fighting and he never will". In a way, John' s development of character comes from what he learned during his experience with the T-800 and Cameron, which leads him to victory in the future. In a way, Terminators taught him how to fight and ultimately to defeat Terminators. IF that makes any sense. "
That’s some very good points Silent
I try to think what would be going through future Johns mind, here’s a guy with more pressure on him than I would like to have to carry and I don’t think he would be a very nice guy. I’m not saying he’s evil or anything like that, just he would be a hard as nails, weight of the would kind of guy who makes decisions every day that gets people killed. So he’d be a guy living close to the edge and would bare little resemblance to his past relatively carefree self. And we know war changes people and this is histories worst war with no mercy and no quarter given, John just can’t afford to loose.
So this is the guy who sent Cameron back and I don’t think it was for emotional reasons, I think Cameron was just the best weapon for the job, a Terminator that could get close to John without arousing suspicion and young enough that she wouldn’t look out of place at school.
Cameron is certainly a excellent infiltrator even when compared to a T888 which she describes as an “advance infiltrator“, she can pull of acting human much better than say Vick who had the personality of a dead house fly! However she is just a Terminator even if she’s a much more advanced model than a T888 And she lacks empathy or compassion but, and this is a big BUT, she is certainly growing more complex behaviour wise as the episodes have progressed.
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blazeaga
blazeaga
4. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 5:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 5:33 AM EDT
"I try to think what would be going through future Johns mind, here’s a guy with more pressure on him than I would like to have to carry and I don’t think he would be a very nice guy. I’m not saying he’s evil or anything like that, just he would be a hard as nails, weight of the would kind of guy who makes decisions every day that gets people killed. So he’d be a guy living close to the edge and would bare little resemblance to his past relatively carefree self. And we know war changes people and this is histories worst war with no mercy and no quarter given, John just can’t afford to loose.
So this is the guy who sent Cameron back and I don’t think it was for emotional reasons, I think Cameron was just the best weapon for the job, a Terminator that could get close to John without arousing suspicion and young enough that she wouldn’t look out of place at school.
Cameron is certainly a excellent infiltrator even when compared to a T888 which she describes as an “advance infiltrator“, she can pull of acting human much better than say Vick who had the personality of a dead house fly! However she is just a Terminator even if she’s a much more advanced model than a T888 And she lacks empathy or compassion but, and this is a big BUT, she is certainly growing more complex behaviour wise as the episodes have progressed.
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Dude that was a real point that really got be thinking lol xD. The others also did good. I reckon John sent back Cameron to help him learn robots faster then he would with out and also to protect him.:

http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/thread/1224279/Cameron%27s+wierd+behavior--is+she+good+or+bad%3F+What+are+your+theories%3F/post/8890068/Cameron%27s+wierd+behavior--is+she+good+or+bad%3F+What+are+your+theories%3F

Or a half girl half robot to become his sister or wife or something to help him lead humanity and also to more rapidly learn robots and stuff ( I no random i am and a bit creepy arent i)

lol By the way go to the site it is my theory on cameron reply plz
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
5. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 9:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 9:39 AM EDT
"I think she is his protector and friend. They must be very close in the future you're right. I think John definitely feels something for Cameron because of all the signs and moments throughout the season. Not only is she close to him, in a way she's already contributed to his character development, telling him what he will be and what the future holds for him. In the pilot episode she says, "In the future you have many friends...", which is just one example of how she's influencing him. John at the moment is lost I think, he's sort finding himself amongst all the craziness in his life, Cameron in a way helps him make sense of it. John is also teaching Cameron about humans, grieving, friends etc, they're learning from each other, making their fates more intertwined then I realized. I think it's extremely ironic that John being the leader of mankind against the Terminators in the future, is naturally attracted to Terminators in a personal way because he's grown attached to two of them, the original T-800 model (Arnold) and now, Cameron. In Terminator 3, John at the end of the movie says that the Terminator taught him, "Never Stop Fighting and he never will". In a way, John' s development of character comes from what he learned during his experience with the T-800 and Cameron, which leads him to victory in the future. In a way, Terminators taught him how to fight and ultimately to defeat Terminators. IF that makes any sense. "
That's exactly what I mean.
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SilentHer0
6. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 1:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 1:31 PM EDT
"That's exactly what I mean."
I somewhat think, Cameron is going to die eventually in the long run before John becomes the future of mankind. Somewhere between the events of Sarah Connor Chronicles and Judgement Day, Cameron will probably perish. I think it falls under the same situation with Terminator 2, destroying the chip in her head, along with all the technology. Or maybe she saves his life sacrificing herself. I'm not sure, but it would be strange if Cameron managed to survive a second time around. She could be sent back many times over, to protect John.
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john121984
john121984
7. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 2:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 2:34 PM EDT
That might be how they end the show but you never know John might not let her be destroyed like in t2. 5  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    
Michelle67D
Michelle67D
8. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 4:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 4:56 PM EDT
I think that she is his tine-man or tin-miss if you will. He talked about that so often to Cameron because that is the direction he was wanting her to go in her development. It may even be an alternative reason that he had her also rescue Sarah -- Sarah provides a mentor/mother role for Cameron to grow under. Whether the development of Cameron in emotional stability will help overcome skynet remains to be seen and it is possible that John sent her back or chose her to be the one who went back for personal reasons rather than the war against skynet,

If skynet was losing or had essentially lost I'm sure that the machines would have been rounded up and destroyed -- Cameron is a machine. If John "felt" for her he may have wanted to send her into the past to "save" her from destruction.
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john121984
john121984
9. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 5:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 5:43 PM EDT
This show has alot better story than alot of people thought it was going to have.I mean it could go so many directions. there so many different storylines thats what makes this show great. 10  out of 10 found this valuable. Do you?    
T-1976
T-1976
10. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 5 2008, 6:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2008, 6:45 PM EDT
I think John feels a kind of kinship with Cameron...because she is his protector, and because they are the same "age" Everyone has friends in their age group, obviously, so its fairly easy for them to relate to each other.

However, there are times when it seems like Cameron gets on John's nerves somewhat. The "what are you doing" conversation comes to mind, when she was talking about Vick's "video" of him and his wife. And his reply of "in the core of your chip" I think he shows some frustration from time to time.

John is torn, I believe. On the one hand, he is frustrated with her, but on the other, he is really attracted to her. But he feels it probably wouldnt work because shes a machine. Kinda like seeing a delicious cake behind a glass...its just within reach, but you know you cant get it, and if you do manage to reach it, you know the task will be difficult.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
11. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 6 2008, 12:25 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2008, 12:25 AM EDT
Though, why go through all the dancing scenes and other "surprises" with Cameron (and Sarah's monologues about machines understanding humanity) to only go and say at the end she's an expendable tool? Sorry, Cam you have to go bye-bye like Arnold because your skeleton is metal rather than bone, or your brain isn't made out of goop, but a neural net design?

If she is becoming like a human slowly, but surely then why wouldn't John want to deepen and strengthen the relationship, if she wants to, if she feels something for him as well?

If John and Sarah and Cameron really are becoming like a family, why wouldn't Sarah, at the end of the day, finally see Cameron as someone she would cherish and protect as much as her flesh and blood son? I've mentioned this before, but I think it bears repeating. That would be the ultimate way to end the series: to show that Cameron is as valuable alive as any human would be.
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SilentHer0
12. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 6 2008, 12:30 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2008, 12:30 AM EDT
"Though, why go through all the dancing scenes and other "surprises" with Cameron (and Sarah's monologues about machines understanding humanity) to only go and say at the end she's an expendable tool? Sorry, Cam you have to go bye-bye like Arnold because your skeleton is metal rather than bone, or your brain isn't made out of goop, but a neural net design?

If she is becoming like a human slowly, but surely then why wouldn't John want to deepen and strengthen the relationship, if she wants to, if she feels something for him as well?

If John and Sarah and Cameron really are becoming like a family, why wouldn't Sarah, at the end of the day, finally see Cameron as someone she would cherish and protect as much as her flesh and blood son? I've mentioned this before, but I think it bears repeating. That would be the ultimate way to end the series: to show that Cameron is as valuable alive as any human would be. "
Don't get me wrong, Cameron is my favourite character. I think you're right. You do point out a valid argument that Cameron has gone through a lot of growing in terms of becoming more human but....if she lived...wouldn't she hasten the arrival of Judgement Day? Isn't the whole point to stop Judgement Day? As long as she's a live she could potentially bring Sky Net to existence.
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SilentHer0
13. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 6 2008, 12:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2008, 12:32 AM EDT
"This show has alot better story than alot of people thought it was going to have.I mean it could go so many directions. there so many different storylines thats what makes this show great."
I totally agree. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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SilentHer0
14. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 6 2008, 12:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2008, 12:34 AM EDT
"I think John feels a kind of kinship with Cameron...because she is his protector, and because they are the same "age" Everyone has friends in their age group, obviously, so its fairly easy for them to relate to each other.

However, there are times when it seems like Cameron gets on John's nerves somewhat. The "what are you doing" conversation comes to mind, when she was talking about Vick's "video" of him and his wife. And his reply of "in the core of your chip" I think he shows some frustration from time to time.

John is torn, I believe. On the one hand, he is frustrated with her, but on the other, he is really attracted to her. But he feels it probably wouldnt work because shes a machine. Kinda like seeing a delicious cake behind a glass...its just within reach, but you know you cant get it, and if you do manage to reach it, you know the task will be difficult. "
Wow, i never thought of it that way.
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SilentHer0
15. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 6 2008, 12:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2008, 12:40 AM EDT
John's been ticked at Cameron before, I wonder if she still is....Does John still feel anger at Cameron because she prevented him from saving his classmate? 3  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
16. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 6 2008, 12:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2008, 12:41 AM EDT
"Don't get me wrong, Cameron is my favourite character. I think you're right. You do point out a valid argument that Cameron has gone through a lot of growing in terms of becoming more human but....if she lived...wouldn't she hasten the arrival of Judgement Day? Isn't the whole point to stop Judgement Day? As long as she's a live she could potentially bring Sky Net to existence. "
You have a valid point, but if Skynet has sent back a variety of bad Terminators to the past, then one more "good" one (who actually is armed with a "humanity" weapon against Skynet) floating around won't make any difference. They know how to live off the grid anyway.

John still needs protection... as well as friendship and love.
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
17. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 6 2008, 12:43 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2008, 12:43 AM EDT
"I somewhat think, Cameron is going to die eventually in the long run before John becomes the future of mankind. Somewhere between the events of Sarah Connor Chronicles and Judgement Day, Cameron will probably perish. I think it falls under the same situation with Terminator 2, destroying the chip in her head, along with all the technology. Or maybe she saves his life sacrificing herself. I'm not sure, but it would be strange if Cameron managed to survive a second time around. She could be sent back many times over, to protect John. "
If she does have to die at the end of the series. Cameron/Summer Glau will leave a great leagacy for us to never forget. But, I hope she dies on the series finale not any sooner.
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intrepid
intrepid
18. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 6 2008, 12:44 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2008, 12:44 AM EDT
A noble death isn’t what I see in store for Cameron, I believe we’ll find out that it was Cameron in the basement of episode 6 and she got there as a result of trying to fulfil her orders to prevent JD and failed!
So in the future she is like a third power with skynet on one side and John on the other, but she is still trying to fulfil her orders by manipulating events in order to bring about a change in a way john would want but defiantly wouldn’t approve, so she is independent of future John but still helping him without his knowledge.
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
19. RE: Official John-Cameron Thread
Apr 6 2008, 12:45 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2008, 12:45 AM EDT
"I somewhat think, Cameron is going to die eventually in the long run before John becomes the future of mankind. Somewhere between the events of Sarah Connor Chronicles and Judgement Day, Cameron will probably perish. I think it falls under the same situation with Terminator 2, destroying the chip in her head, along with all the technology. Or maybe she saves his life sacrificing herself. I'm not sure, but it would be strange if Cameron managed to survive a second time around. She could be sent back many times over, to protect John. "
Now if they keep sending her back. And end the series in a sort of repeatative paradox. I think that would be cool. But I definately don't want to see skynet win and destroy mankind like in Terminator 3
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