"Aerogel is not an alloy.

Plus, it looks extremely fragile since it looks like a syntherized matarial made of oxides of alluminium AND tin..."

""Bottom line, you can't fight the laws of physics, even for this show." It's a show about freakin' TIME TRAVEL!!!"

"<snip>It is theoretically possible to travel back through time. It would require one of two things: traveling faster than the speed of light (impossible), or a significant bend in the space time continuum (such as is found near black holes)."

"Yes, another theoretical "possibility" is a Tipler cylinder, an infinitely long massive rotating cylinder that creates a frame-dragging effect. Not exactly achievable with today's technology.

I don't understand why some people (not you Greg) are happy to accept that a super-intelligent entity that can invent time travel and liquid metal that can think, but not that it could invent a material that weight-for-weight is very much stronger than anything in existence today. "

"TheTurk is good enough to pop in to various forums every now and then to contribute little insights or to correct minor misinterpretations, but he has better things to do than get involved in stupid nit-picking arguments."

"lol when did the Turk say that?

I don't think we're trying to poke holes in the show! I think we just like these types of conversations (I know I like addressing these issues).

To me, it's the exact opposite of attacking the show. I like taking ideas from the show, dissecting them, the science fiction, and apply real life rules of the universe to try and make sense of it. It makes for really good thought experiments (that's how I see it). I hope the Turk doesn't view these analysis's as criticism.

One thing I've found out, the fans on this board, on average, are clearly more educated than what's found elsewhere. Partially attributed to that is the reason why this board exists, TSCC provokes thought. If anything, these types of things should be viewed by the writers as a compliment (we're pretty actively engaged). And their solution to any argument we have is exceedingly simple - it IS fiction, lol. 200 years ago, the whole notion of a machine like a computer was science fiction, unfathomable, but here we are, on a forum. Questioning everything, including what may be seen as impossible (fictional) is all part of the human element, and is a big reason why we, as a species, are where we are. "

"Sigh, as Cuthburt said. Super intelligent entities can't change the laws of Physics. Ask Stephen Hawkings.

So there. Also, Time TRAVEL Doesn't need the speed of light to be destroyed. Thank you.
Why can't you accept the fact that Terminators can't swim? I mean, really now, you're killing me here. That's what most of this argument is over. You apparently want to argue an already set in cannon point? Or do you wish to argue about their density? :) The fact that you and Cuthburt actually agreed on something on the last page should tell you that we're all on the same pge. also, keep in mind, somethings go over my head. Subtle nuances and all that.
Also, my imagination trumps yours. :) Trust me, if we were to compare what our imaginations could come up with, you'd lose.
Asperger's Syndrome can be a gift sometimes.

Also, again, time travel is much more likely then creating a super alloy that would make Spider silk look weak. :) Which pound for pound is the strongest material on the Earth. Well, picking up and holding heavy objects at least.

Now, please tell me, what your problem now is? Or do you like to argue for arguments sake? :)"

"Well sorry, my bad. I got a little confused here. You know, it's easy if you don't tell me exactly what point you're trying to make?
Seriously, just tell me what your point is, and then I'll remember it. I just want to know what you're wanting to talk/argue/debate about? That's it. Keep in mind, somethings go over my head. You literally can't treat me like any other person online. That won't end well.

And I apologize for getting you all confused but I assure you, I'm not putting words in your mouth. "

"Ok... Two points:

1) TheTurk has said the Terminators don't weigh 600lbs, but that they are around 10-20% heavier than a human of the same size. Since humans have near neutral buoyancy, a Terminator of the same size (therefore volume) has a higher average density and will not float. Certainly there are things in the show (and the movies) that suggest the Terminators are much heavier, so the canon is not strictly consistent - but we'll just have to put that down to artistic license.

2) The endoskeleton is made of "hyperalloy", a fictional material that is very strong and heat resistant, and although possibly slightly heavier (denser) than us meatbags is still considerably lighter than solid metal. The manufacture of hyperalloy requires coltan in some quantity, that doesn't mean the endoskeleton is solid metal or a conventional alloy.
"Coltan" is really a macguffin, used to propel the storyline (Heavy Metal, Good Wound).

I dunno, perhaps the endoskeletons are hollow, or porous (or hollow and porous), whatever - it doesn't matter. Hyperalloy appears to have properties that are impossible given today's knowledge of materials science, but so does the mimetic poly-alloy of the 1000 series. It's just fiction, not an MIT thesis, nobody is "right" or "wrong"."

"Ok... Two points:

1) TheTurk has said the Terminators don't weigh 600lbs, but that they are around 10-20% heavier than a human of the same size. Since humans have near neutral buoyancy, a Terminator of the same size (therefore volume) has a higher average density and will not float. Certainly there are things in the show (and the movies) that suggest the Terminators are much heavier, so the canon is not strictly consistent - but we'll just have to put that down to artistic license.

2) The endoskeleton is made of "hyperalloy", a fictional material that is very strong and heat resistant, and although possibly slightly heavier (denser) than us meatbags is still considerably lighter than solid metal. The manufacture of hyperalloy requires coltan in some quantity, that doesn't mean the endoskeleton is solid metal or a conventional alloy.
"Coltan" is really a macguffin, used to propel the storyline (Heavy Metal, Good Wound).

I dunno, perhaps the endoskeletons are hollow, or porous (or hollow and porous), whatever - it doesn't matter. Hyperalloy appears to have properties that are impossible given today's knowledge of materials science, but so does the mimetic poly-alloy of the 1000 series. It's just fiction, not an MIT thesis, nobody is "right" or "wrong"."