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edweirdness
Maybe Fox should reconsider
Apr 14 2008, 11:00 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 14 2008, 11:00 AM EDT
I realize that no "final" verdict on the future of TSCC has been determined, but there are circumstances that FOX might want to consider before cutting TSCC loose. Les Moonvies at CBS is embroiled in several issues, the Couric will she won't she debacle, and substantial losses in profits at CBS, and the decline in the 18 to 49 viewership demographic. Obviously, with recession and increased gas prices, the possibility of more 18 to 49 year olds deciding to stay home in the evening would seem like an opportunity. Those in this demographic who are fleeing CBS (Moonvies is quoted as saying that only "one" of the new programs on CBS last season will be renewed, a sitcom that I found unwatchable) will be looking to other networks to fill the evening hours. Not surprisingly, CBS canceled one of the best sci-fi/action/drama series "Jericho", after fans demanded it be given another season. Anyway, there is a substantial market for the TSCC series, one that may increase given the present economic conditions that would tend toward increased viewership. The action and great production values of the series, the "hot" babes, and the contemporary themes of the series will attract the 18 to 49 demographic that advertisers seem to favor. 8  out of 8 found this valuable. Do you?    
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
1. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Apr 14 2008, 11:06 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 14 2008, 11:06 AM EDT
"I realize that no "final" verdict on the future of TSCC has been determined, but there are circumstances that FOX might want to consider before cutting TSCC loose. Les Moonvies at CBS is embroiled in several issues, the Couric will she won't she debacle, and substantial losses in profits at CBS, and the decline in the 18 to 49 viewership demographic. Obviously, with recession and increased gas prices, the possibility of more 18 to 49 year olds deciding to stay home in the evening would seem like an opportunity. Those in this demographic who are fleeing CBS (Moonvies is quoted as saying that only "one" of the new programs on CBS last season will be renewed, a sitcom that I found unwatchable) will be looking to other networks to fill the evening hours. Not surprisingly, CBS canceled one of the best sci-fi/action/drama series "Jericho", after fans demanded it be given another season. Anyway, there is a substantial market for the TSCC series, one that may increase given the present economic conditions that would tend toward increased viewership. The action and great production values of the series, the "hot" babes, and the contemporary themes of the series will attract the 18 to 49 demographic that advertisers seem to favor."
And besides all the basic stuff that attracts that audience... the show is actually very good too!

Whether that plays into any decision making at Fox... who knows?
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Papi123
Papi123
2. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Apr 14 2008, 11:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 14 2008, 11:29 AM EDT
wow blown away by the numbers that were posted. They show a very neg trend in viewership. It also seems that this show is more expensive to produce, given the effects etc. when compared to a reality show - must have much higher profit margins given the low up front cost . This gives the show a large hill to climb using the typical models for shows. This show will have to start selling terminators, dvd,games t-shirts, etc. They may consider distribution on the internet for a price - not just itunes - like showing outtakes etc. Even though I love the show, I wonder about its viability - does Fox have its fingers in T4? if it does - season 2 is a no brainer - if not - it will be a close call 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Michelle67D
Michelle67D
3. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Apr 14 2008, 11:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 14 2008, 11:55 AM EDT
Geez talk about heart stopping. I read the title to this thread and thought we had gotten bad news or something and this was a plea to Fox to reconsider. Do you find this valuable?    
john121984
john121984
4. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Apr 14 2008, 12:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 14 2008, 12:35 PM EDT
It seems like Fox does a bad job in promoting their shows. Do you find this valuable?    

edweirdness
5. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Apr 14 2008, 1:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 14 2008, 1:36 PM EDT
Seriously, I though that the networks "getting into cable" was to broaden their market reach, and make them less dependent on "demographic models" and advertising revenue (remember when cable networks didn't have advertising?). The Sci-Fi channel has (arguably) suffered under control of the Peacock network, yet occassionally; the Sci-Fi channel manages to produce a good movie, mini-series, and the occassional series. Battlestar Galactica must cost a pretty penny to produce. I doubt TSCC costs as much as BSG, and I'm certain the payroll isn't near as high. Do you find this valuable?    
DarthVil
DarthVil
6. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 25 2008, 9:54 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2008, 9:54 AM EDT
I fear for this show, because it's got a great story and I'd like to see the whole thing play out. Unfortunately, it's on FOX. One would think that Summer Glau would remember what FOX does with Sci-fi considering her experience with Firefly. FOX Broadcast holds a long-standing tradition of ruining science fiction, and I believe it boils down to the directors of the network simply not wanting FOX Broadcast to be viewed as a science fiction network. They buy up science fiction shows that have the potential to do really well so that they can run them one, maybe two seasons, and then give them the ax or set them up at a time slot that is guaranteed to fail so that they get the same result. That is that the show is canceled and it can't be aired anywhere else because they have the rights to it. This is a very smart business move, because these shows have the potential to take ratings away from some of their shows were a rival network to air them at the right time. Consider that the Doctor Who TV movie was a pilot for a new series. Doctor Who has such an insane following (I Myself am a Whovian) that they were GUARANTEED the ratings! This would not have resulted in failure anywhere else. Thankfully, in the case of Doctor Who, which had a previous history going back at the time 3 decades and with the BBC not surrenduring all rights, they eventually were able to save Doctor Who (although not on American broadcasting where it would threaten FOX Broadcast ratings). Admittedly I am happy that Doctor Who failed only because what we have a decade later is better, but it still illustrates My concern. I really REALLY like the Sarah Connor Chronicles, and I don't want to see FOX kill it! Do you find this valuable?    

LiquidMetal
7. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 25 2008, 10:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2008, 10:19 AM EDT
TSCC will carry its own weight for Season 2, and I believe it will get its full compliment of 22 episodes.

Fox will then be looking at other factors that will dictate the future of TSCC, i.e., Season 3 and beyond.

TSCC's future will be tied to the new Terminator Salvation movie. If this movie does "Dark Knight" kind of numbers, TSCC will get a tremendous bump in viewership, since T-fans will need something to fill the void until T5 comes out.

If T4 is a bomb, than the only viewers watching TSCC will be those 8-10 million die-hard viewers that tune in each week. Because its Fox, those kind of numbers will put a series on the fence every time. Should this happen, and Fox moves TSCC to another night, we can kiss TSCC goodbye.

McG has a lot of pressure to come up with a knockout T4 movie in the mold of T2 and the "Dark Knight". T4 needs to be a dark and brooding vision of the future, with moments of humanity overshadowed by the machines relentless pursuit and extermination of mankind.

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Proclus
Proclus
8. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 25 2008, 11:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2008, 11:09 AM EDT
great comments from edweirdness and LiquidMetal. Major companies like the ones filling prime time commercial spots have serious number crunching departments that analyze the cause and effect strategies, like the edweirdness' take on gas prices.

In these times of the interactive internet, what we programmers call web 2.0, the level of communication between individuals, companies, entrepreneurs tremendously increased. As we so often see here in this wiki and the Terminator Writers blog.

So for example, the fans of this show could take aggressive action to see the continuation of the series. Aggressive in terms of communication and imagination. Buying products shown during the commercial. Putting pressure WORLDWIDE on companies to support the Fox network for the show.

I said worldwide because TSCC season 1 starts here in Turkey (original, subtitles) in September. And many other countries around the world.

In this web 2.0 era as fans we can achieve MUCH MORE THAN EVER BEFORE!
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AugustusM
AugustusM
9. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 25 2008, 11:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2008, 11:14 AM EDT
Well I have a radical idea on how to make the show fresh and edgy enough that it will keep it on the air for at least another 5 seasons (at least!).
Please read on for a moment if you will.
Have you ever seen a video of a videogame and gotten a little nausea from watching somebody else control the main character and you being unable to do anything about how the character gets controlled to complete the mission? It is kind of frsutrating but it helps sell the game so you want to play it and get it right as you do.
If you apply the same thinking to a sci-fi show, you can see that many of us have ideas on how the show's characters should be developed, what the story is REALLY like and how frustrating for everyone is when executive decisions take place that affect the show so much so that it becomes in danger of getting cancelled.
So what I propose is a more INTERACTIVE show. A show where depending on the number of votes received will show a particular storyline. Then you can sell a video game where you might get other unused storylines and explore them on your own (possibly getting different storyline outcomes).
Yes, I know it sounds far-fetched and bold (and even too expensive) but if they really want to boost viewer audience numbers, then maybe getting people to vote will capture more people's attention because here their vote counts.
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theToucher
theToucher
10. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 25 2008, 4:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2008, 4:15 PM EDT
It does annoy me that when I read Fox is considering axing a series because it has found somebody to say its only getting 8 to 10 million viewers when the figure being quoted only represents first broadcast on a North American network. I'm sure if they took a more long term view and added in the revenue from sales to other TV networks, DVDs and if they could get past their fear of the internet and learn from the multi-billion dollar internet porn industry that actually their series have a much greater value than the figure for 8 to 10 million viewers seems to imply. Do you find this valuable?    
FrenchFanofTSCC
FrenchFanofTSCC
11. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 25 2008, 4:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2008, 4:20 PM EDT
think the same and TSCC now is become worl wild,and et mutch more viewers Do you find this valuable?    
Koudijs
Koudijs
12. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 25 2008, 5:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2008, 5:13 PM EDT
It's airing season 1 in Belgium next week. Hopefully Holland get's smart too. Do you find this valuable?    

CrystalMethPunk
13. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 27 2008, 12:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2008, 12:55 AM EDT
"McG has a lot of pressure to come up with a knockout T4 movie in the mold of T2 and the "Dark Knight". T4 needs to be a dark and brooding vision of the future, with moments of humanity overshadowed by the machines relentless pursuit and extermination of mankind.

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Not gonna happen. Someone working on the film already mentioned in an interview that one of the things they're focused on is selling toys. The last time a major film had a director that was concerned about making a fucking toy commercial instead of just making a decent film? Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin.

I truly hope I'm wrong though about McG and T4. Hopefully McG will realize that this could be HIS chance to become one of the most sought-after directors in the business. But I'm not counting on it.
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IvyMike
IvyMike
14. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 27 2008, 1:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2008, 1:05 AM EDT
"Not gonna happen. Someone working on the film already mentioned in an interview that one of the things they're focused on is selling toys. The last time a major film had a director that was concerned about making a fucking toy commercial instead of just making a decent film? Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin.

I truly hope I'm wrong though about McG and T4. Hopefully McG will realize that this could be HIS chance to become one of the most sought-after directors in the business. But I'm not counting on it."
Nooooooooooooooooo.....!!!!!!

Would you have a link to that interview?
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Gusar
15. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 27 2008, 4:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2008, 4:22 AM EDT
"Nooooooooooooooooo.....!!!!!!

Would you have a link to that interview?"
Read this thread: http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/1801070/Terminator+Salvation+(T4)+Books+on+Pre-Order

...and cringe.
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IvyMike
IvyMike
16. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 27 2008, 5:00 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2008, 5:00 AM EDT
"Read this thread: http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/1801070/Terminator+Salvation+(T4)+Books+on+Pre-Order

...and cringe."
Yerrrcchhh....well I'm cringing....
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LiquidMetal
17. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 27 2008, 8:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2008, 8:11 AM EDT
Early on the executive producers, Halcyon, and McG all were talking about a PG--13 movie so they could bring in the teens and then have a mass merchandising event with T-toys, T-shirts, T-mugs, T-lunch boxes. etc. (you get the idea).

Lately, McG has hinted that he is shooting a movie and if it comes out "R" he would be OK with that. The WB folks now seem to be echoing McG's comments. I think McG and company are getting a lot of heat for stating the T-4 movie would be rated PG-13. They are now backpedaling much like politicians.

There are millions of dollars at stake in terms of mass merchandising. I don't believe that Halcyon would or could ignore this source of revenue.

I would rather have an "R" rated film then a T-mug with my McD fries. :-)
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edweirdness
18. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 27 2008, 9:20 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2008, 9:20 AM EDT
TSCC is one of the few, the very few, television programs that I "schedule". The shows story arc is intriguing (I compare it to ABC's lost in terms of engaging its audience) and the production values are excellent. Two of the hotest babes on broadcast (or any other) tv make it a no brainer for advertisers. FOX/CBS has its own problems, but TSCC isn't one of them. Increasingly, viewers are finding value in staying home (and off the roads), and most are desperately tired of "reality shows". Particularly since these shows usually have little if anything to do with reality. Seriously, any network that cannot find a way to bring quality programming, rather than reality programming to its viewers, probably doesn't have much future as a network anyway. Indeed, I purchased Directv for the SCI-FI channel primarily, and I don't even subscribe to any of the premium channels. CBS/FOX are not visionaries (old folks love the reruns though) when it comes to programming choices. With mandatory digital (the end of analog) coming up fast, it would be a shame for the network to blow off one of its most appealing shows, just when viewers will be forced to make an informed choice of what and how they watch tv. Do you find this valuable?    
Proclus
Proclus
19. RE: Maybe Fox should reconsider
Aug 27 2008, 9:26 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2008, 9:26 AM EDT
Exactly. Yet I still remember myself saving every single dollar (well, lira actually :) ) given to me and spending every dime on Star Wars toys.
Me and all of my friends. It sure helped us to socialize in a higher level. Exchange characters, exchange ideas, even pretend the stupid concrete masses as our ships, with our guns and sabers of course.

I don't remember if Star Wars movies are rated R. But it sure doesn't matter here in Turkey :)
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