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Cy-Fox
Cy-Fox
20. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators
Sep 3 2008, 7:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 3 2008, 7:11 PM EDT
One thing I really don't get is that how John'll be able to knock out SKYNET satellites. Do you find this valuable?    
intrepid
intrepid
21. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators
Sep 3 2008, 8:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 3 2008, 8:59 PM EDT
"One thing I really don't get is that how John'll be able to knock out SKYNET satellites."
You don’t need to knock out the satellite to make it ineffective, just the uplink station on the ground.
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jafo1701
22. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators
Nov 12 2008, 8:51 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 8:51 PM EST
One thing I nothiced from the movies & the TV show is the use of tactics. Terminators just come at you with no regard for saftey. With the weapons of the future, I'm sure a few hits with a plasma rifles is all it takes to take out one of the T-800 models. Even the biggest of tanks can be taken down without proper infantry support. With people you have the regard for saftey & survivial, use of cover & movement. This gives humans a bit of an advantage on the battlefield. Wars aren't simply won with Brute force. One thing I'm looking forward to see in the new Terminator movies is how the humans battle skynet. Do you find this valuable?    

gamer_1001
23. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators
Nov 12 2008, 9:32 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 9:32 PM EST
Well, with regarding to tactics on battlefield, there really is no such thing as the correct tactic or correct counter tactic. It all boil down to which side's battle plan survived after the contact with the enemy.

I'm no general, but I do read a lot about military history, and tried some battle simulations. And the only way you can guarantee to win a battle to have some advantage over you enemy in firepower, logistic, organzation, and mobility. A good general knows how to boosting his own ability over his enemy in those four areas. Tactics are just general rule of thumbs that help you to judge a certain situation.

A great general are creative genius that can come up with unexpected new solutions to solve the above problem. And how Skynet/Resistance wins is determined by which side has that creative genius.
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Mike70056
Mike70056
24. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators
Nov 12 2008, 9:46 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 9:46 PM EST
"Ever hear of Battlefield Deception? Without getting into a whole lot of detail, the tactics of deception are to:

* Mask an increase in or redeployment of forces/weapons systems which the enemy has spotted.

* Block the enemy's perception and/or identification of new weapons/forces being introduced into combat.

* Reinforce the enemy's preconceived beliefs.

* Distract the enemy's attention from other activities.

* Overload enemy intelligence collection and analytical capabilities.

* Create the illusion of strength where weakness exists.

* Create the illusion of weakness where strength exists.

* Accustom the enemy to particular patterns of our behavior that are exploitable at the time of our choosing.

* Confuse enemy expectations about our size, activity, location, unit, time, equipment, intent, and/or style of mission execution -- TO EFFECT SURPRISE IN THESE AREAS.

* Reduce the enemy's ability clearly to perceive and manage the battle.

Whether the enemy is human or machines, these tactics will work. Most likely, future John is using all of these plus others to even the battlefield."

These.

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Mike70056
Mike70056
25. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators
Nov 12 2008, 9:48 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 9:48 PM EST
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Hmm - I bet those tactics are codified... In fact a AI as smart as Skynet could and would obivously absorb them and most likely go through all recorded military history, strategy and tactics and I mean all in under 5 minutes. If it grew from chess playing it would know all about alpha / beta tree pruning to maximise gain and apply it to complex war fare. SkyNet was designed to run wars remember and originally do it at teraflop speed - and that was when it first switched on and before it probably linked all computers - distributed itself and up its computer resources therefore a billion fold.

Your sword cuts both ways - and Skynet is distributed, holds all the resources, all the intel, all the high speed communications, has constant survelliance, never sleeps. And In Jyle's own words - we were at the brink - almost gone. The USA and Russia and probably China threw all their nuclear weaponary into the fray. So there's 95% of the worlds population dead and the rest disorganised, no command structure, little food or shelter, and no real assets to fight a far, far, far superior foe - that has analysed all your tactics for response.

It sounds incredibly one sided to me. If you knew much about military history you know adverse correlation of forces and firepower and intelligence spell total disaster. It would be way less than a billion to one shot you'd recover and win back from a dooms day holocaust - the mother of all holocausts - which is only Skynets first move - and you bet it planned more - poision in water supplies, air vectors, disease, dis-information on public broadcast channels. Every remaining broadcast channel saying this is John Connor - go hear and help me - as a total set up.

Humanity's chances are big fat zero unless a major silver bullet is found that Skynet simply can't respond to. Give me even one plausible scenario - PC virus, EMPs disrupting power grids - name one - but it would have to be awesome!"

Your premise isn't in line with James Cameron's telling of event. In short, you're making that up as you go along, to fictionally make it unwinnable.

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valkyra_mo
valkyra_mo
26. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators?
Nov 12 2008, 9:49 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 9:49 PM EST
".... the odds against are way too huge - disease, discord, famine, lack of arms, lack of intelligence - no way."
There is one thing that Skynet doesn't have....The human spirit and sheer determination. Mankind has been through war, pestilence, disease, terror...you name it, and we still keep on coming back for more. Never give up....Never Surrender!
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valkyra_mo
valkyra_mo
27. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators
Nov 12 2008, 9:51 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 9:51 PM EST
"Ever hear of Battlefield Deception? Without getting into a whole lot of detail, the tactics of deception are to:

* Mask an increase in or redeployment of forces/weapons systems which the enemy has spotted.

* Block the enemy's perception and/or identification of new weapons/forces being introduced into combat.

* Reinforce the enemy's preconceived beliefs.

* Distract the enemy's attention from other activities.

* Overload enemy intelligence collection and analytical capabilities.

* Create the illusion of strength where weakness exists.

* Create the illusion of weakness where strength exists.

* Accustom the enemy to particular patterns of our behavior that are exploitable at the time of our choosing.

* Confuse enemy expectations about our size, activity, location, unit, time, equipment, intent, and/or style of mission execution -- TO EFFECT SURPRISE IN THESE AREAS.

* Reduce the enemy's ability clearly to perceive and manage the battle.

Whether the enemy is human or machines, these tactics will work. Most likely, future John is using all of these plus others to even the battlefield."
Dang...sounds like a poker table
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Mike70056
Mike70056
28. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators?
Nov 12 2008, 9:57 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 9:57 PM EST
"There is one thing that Skynet doesn't have....The human spirit and sheer determination. Mankind has been through war, pestilence, disease, terror...you name it, and we still keep on coming back for more. Never give up....Never Surrender!"


Humanity also has one very large advanage over Skynet. Skynet is paranoid and insane. Skynet doesn't knowlingly create equals to help it win the war, it creates drones and then like a poor gambler keeps trying to improve its losing tactics, by making newer models, rather than refining tactics.

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gamer_1001
29. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators?
Nov 12 2008, 10:06 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 10:06 PM EST
Those that follows written tactics are brainless drones.

Real generals are artists, with his army as his brush, and battlefields as his canvas, with a final work that is made out of his enemies' losses.
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TerminTatorTot
TerminTatorTot
30. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators?
Nov 12 2008, 10:12 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2008, 10:12 PM EST
Tactics: John already knows that the best way to fight Terminators is with good Terminators. Therefore, I predict that Catherine Weaver and John will join forces and develop improved good Terminators (from the Turk genesis) to staff an army against Skynet's bad Terminators. Watch those writers rev up on this theme. Do you find this valuable?    

jer35mx
31. RE: What tactics does the future John Connor use to defeat terminators
Mar 24 2009, 3:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 24 2009, 3:28 PM EDT
"Exactly to your first point. Humanity would have been wiped out in less than a year, if Skynet was all-powerful with no weaknesses. Yet John and his Resistance fighters continue to wage war. If not winning, then at least winning enough battles to maintain their existence.

Now I'm done with this thread. :-)

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computer ships-microwave weapons, matrix electromagnetic pulses.
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