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udm	20. RE: Cameron John Romance Apr 28 2008, 9:45 AM EDT I do think that the first episode to feature a full fledged romance scene between John and Cameron (in the sense that both stare into each other's eyes, and Cameron starts acting all emo, and the scene gets emo) will definitely be bombed by both critics and the majority of the viewers Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Michelle67D	21. RE: Cameron John Romance Apr 28 2008, 10:34 AM EDT "I do think that the first episode to feature a full fledged romance scene between John and Cameron (in the sense that both stare into each other's eyes, and Cameron starts acting all emo, and the scene gets emo) will definitely be bombed by both critics and the majority of the viewers" Don't know if I agree with that. First off I don't think they would make it emo - I think that Josh would deal with it delicately. I personally kinda like the John pining for the girl he can't have(Cameron) kind of thing(I like to torture the kid) but whatever, if Josh wants to go that direction it's his show so he can do what ever he wants - I'm in it for the long haul. I didn't leave Lost even after they killed off my favorite character(although I don't post anymore) and I won't leave TSCC just because things may not go the way I like. As for the viewer ship - you might be surprised. I'm not saying that the internet represents the entire viewing audience but from what I've seen around it's been pretty pro John/Cameron. The most viewed screen caps I believe are from the Vick's chip eppy of when John put Cameron's chip back in. And a lot of the videos on youtube are John/Cameron as well. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
udm	22. RE: Cameron John Romance Apr 29 2008, 9:32 AM EDT We'll have to see how Josh Friedman does this then. I just think that if they lose the whole idea of Cameron being John's protector while trying to scrap a plot to make both of them lovers, then it'll defeat the whole purpose of the show and ultimately, 'Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" may be nothing more than namesake It's nice to see John care for her, and maybe vice versa. I'm just praying hard that they don't turn this into a sappy high school teen-romance drama with bits of action thrown in Post reply 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Michelle67D	23. RE: Cameron John Romance Apr 29 2008, 10:40 AM EDT "We'll have to see how Josh Friedman does this then. I just think that if they lose the whole idea of Cameron being John's protector while trying to scrap a plot to make both of them lovers, then it'll defeat the whole purpose of the show and ultimately, 'Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" may be nothing more than namesake It's nice to see John care for her, and maybe vice versa. I'm just praying hard that they don't turn this into a sappy high school teen-romance drama with bits of action thrown in" Don't think they'll do sappy - I don't think anyone wants sappy. And as for the purpose of the show - I don't think we really know that purpose yet. In fact there are so many questions about why Cameron is really there - like does she have hidden agendas and what is the future John's real plan - is there more to it than just protecting him or stopping Skynet that they really have kinda left the purpose of the show or the answer to it up in the air. Which may be on purpose - like Lost - you won't know the answer until the end. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
valkyra_mo	24. RE: Cameron John Romance Apr 29 2008, 7:13 PM EDT "Incidentally, because of not being able to draw a fine line in gender when it comes to romance, she may even start turning to lesbianism " Maybe that is what the Chicka is going to be...maybe she isn't a terminator, maybe she is going to be Cameron's lover???????? :P no one should love a terminator! Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
KrelleK	25. RE: Cameron John Romance May 5 2008, 5:23 PM EDT \| Post edited: May 5 2008, 5:23 PM EDT Sarah would KILL Cameron if she thought something Hinky was going on there....She would not care that Cameron is SUPPOSED to protect John...Sarah would pull Cameron apart bolt by bolt if necessary....she would NEVER allow John to become that trusting of a Machine, knowing it could possibly compromise future decisions he would have to make. Not sure, if she would be that drastic, i mean they do need her to protect them, and besides if it is after she has begun to show a litlle human behavior(if it does happens, hopes a little) it could be a bit fun/akward if Sarah sends Cam to her room(grounded, as a parent might would do to a rebelious child/teenager, could be fun if Cam really did go to room, realising that sarah might not be ready to see and accept such a thing just yet, like she relises she is major trouble here, just thought it could be kinda fun, maybe a little childish but fun, a litlle comic relief i think the show could handle a little something like this, if it was just in small portions. KrelleK Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
FrenchFanofTSCC	26. RE: Cameron John Romance May 7 2008, 8:41 AM EDT \| Post edited: May 7 2008, 8:41 AM EDT its So romantic,but when it comes to the reality the things are very different i think,it can happen,we see at the Prom if Cameron get seduce..... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
KrelleK	27. RE: Cameron John Romance May 14 2008, 11:47 AM EDT "Btw this is Cameron (or at least somewhat is): http://pagesperso-orange.fr/mdi/images/bckgrd/bckgrd_big/terminator_004.jpg You guys really want John to kiss this...thing?" Well maybe not without the the pretty outher layer, but in reallity if you would be able to kiss the prettiest girl you could think of, without her getting angry at you, in my case i think it would be either Summer Glau, or Lindsay Lohan, now if you before you kiss her, when imagine you see the girl in front of you, and when imagine there is no skin, hair, blood, or muscles, just the bones, now i would say there is only a few differences between them, like: the color, and few other things too. KrelleK Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	28. RE: Cameron John Romance May 14 2008, 12:30 PM EDT That's the endoskeleton. The human endoskeleton doesn't look very pretty either, yet humans fall in love and kiss, etc. That doesn't seem to stop us. Also, John has to see the spark within Cameron... love that rather than what she might be made out of. And we don't know EXACTLY what that is yet either. As they say in that classic Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young song, and this seems to hold true for John and his lifestyle: "If you can't love the one you want, love the one you're with." Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	29. RE: Cameron John Romance May 14 2008, 1:13 PM EDT As to Sarah's possible reaction... (we all know how Derek would freak), I think if there is any consistancy with Lena's Sarah and Linda's in T2 then if she finally knows she can trust Cameron then she might not be as against it. She seemed pretty taken with Arnold as a father figure for John and she was only around the two for a little while. In her monologue on this show Sarah did talk about machines becoming like us. If she felt that way about Cameron specifically when she was looking back over the events she's semi narrating (limited narrative omniscience it looks like, so far), then perhaps she'd be a willing participant in a relationship between the two. If there really isn't much difference, in her estimation, between a machine and human then... why not? That's what makes the tension: if we know Cameron is special and different, if we know there might be some feelings on the part of John and dormant feelings perhaps percolating inside Cam as she searches for a heart, then what will become of it? I again submit that if it's done in a tactful, tender, and sweet/innocent sort of way and it's done with great care and skill where the audience really feels for both characters (that goes doubly for Cameron since she must not be seen as just the ass-kicking, one-liner cyborg with the Christmas tree light up eyes) and their characters' plights both individually and separately then it will work... and work beautifully: Man and evolved machine as a unit in body, mind, soul, and purpose. Now, if it's rushed or seemingly and completely comes out of left field without that steady build up where the audience is confused as to where these deep feelings came from, then it would collapse. They have NEVER really taken the next step with machines in this Terminator universe that one might be completely capable of real love and affection besides being your typical killer 'bot. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	30. RE: Cameron John Romance May 14 2008, 1:15 PM EDT "That's the endoskeleton. The human endoskeleton doesn't look very pretty either, yet humans fall in love and kiss, etc. That doesn't seem to stop us. Also, John has to see the spark within Cameron... love that rather than what she might be made out of. And we don't know EXACTLY what that is yet either. As they say in that classic Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young song, and this seems to hold true for John and his lifestyle: "If you can't love the one you want, love the one you're with." " Or more accurately: "And if you can't be with the one you love, honey, love the one you're with." Post reply Do you find this valuable?
T-1976	31. RE: Cameron John Romance May 14 2008, 5:46 PM EDT "That's the endoskeleton. The human endoskeleton doesn't look very pretty either, yet humans fall in love and kiss, etc. That doesn't seem to stop us. " Not to mention all the innerds we have....ewww! Or as Cameron said...bones and meat. If you could imagine the prettiest girl in the world....without skin...yeah, that would be pretty gross...no matter what she looked like. It really does matter what the outside looks like (not trying to be shallow of course) Like I said before, if the dynamics of the show are right....and its written right, then yes John and Cameron could become closer. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
sec1971	32. RE: Cameron John Romance May 14 2008, 6:30 PM EDT Interesting. As is evidenced in "The Terminator" (1985), the Terminators (at least the T-800s) are anatomically correct. Cameron is an all-together different model of unknown origin. It's entirely possible she could be capable of love. I would be more interesting in finding out where she came from. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
sec1971	33. RE: Cameron John Romance May 14 2008, 6:31 PM EDT "its spelled again not agine. I'm usually the anti-grammar girl but there's just something about mispelled words that we use in our everyday language that bugs me. Sorry." We're on the same page there. Especially when people confuse 'their, there, and they're'. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	34. RE: Cameron John Romance May 14 2008, 8:18 PM EDT "Interesting. As is evidenced in "The Terminator" (1985), the Terminators (at least the T-800s) are anatomically correct. Cameron is an all-together different model of unknown origin. It's entirely possible she could be capable of love. I would be more interesting in finding out where she came from. " They have not thoroughly talked about the design of Cameron. She can simulate (at least) eating, which looks to be a first. That would mean there's a fundamental change in the makeup of her workings (and possibly the T-888 since it faked being married and had to look like it was eating, etc.), and whatever design Chromartie is as that has yet to be established too. Perhaps, too, that her brain isn't just the CPU that John took out, but inside the skull casing the "wiring" is more like a neural net design, modeled on the human brain. There must be a reason that Cameron, above all other machines (again, I don't think they ever mentioned her has specifically a Terminator model nor has she said she is one), is so advanced. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
T-1976	35. RE: Cameron John Romance May 14 2008, 9:20 PM EDT "They have not thoroughly talked about the design of Cameron. She can simulate (at least) eating, which looks to be a first. That would mean there's a fundamental change in the makeup of her workings (and possibly the T-888 since it faked being married and had to look like it was eating, etc.), and whatever design Chromartie is as that has yet to be established too. Perhaps, too, that her brain isn't just the CPU that John took out, but inside the skull casing the "wiring" is more like a neural net design, modeled on the human brain. There must be a reason that Cameron, above all other machines (again, I don't think they ever mentioned her has specifically a Terminator model nor has she said she is one), is so advanced. " Cameron will certainly give us some surprises in the coming season(s), I believe. Some of our questions and pondering may even be answered too Post reply Do you find this valuable?
sec1971	36. RE: Cameron John Romance May 14 2008, 9:54 PM EDT "They have not thoroughly talked about the design of Cameron. She can simulate (at least) eating, which looks to be a first. That would mean there's a fundamental change in the makeup of her workings (and possibly the T-888 since it faked being married and had to look like it was eating, etc.), and whatever design Chromartie is as that has yet to be established too. Perhaps, too, that her brain isn't just the CPU that John took out, but inside the skull casing the "wiring" is more like a neural net design, modeled on the human brain. There must be a reason that Cameron, above all other machines (again, I don't think they ever mentioned her has specifically a Terminator model nor has she said she is one), is so advanced. " I completely forgot about Vick. He was obviously more advanced than Arnie was. His programming would have included a "love" program that, apparently, was convincing enough for a human woman to marry him. If Cameron had the same programming, though, it would still just be program, and not real love. Maybe this would be good enough for John. After all, he has not really had any romantic enounters so far, and probably wouldn't have had the chance for "true" love during the resistance. Interesting concept. I can't wait to find out. Season 2, c'mon!!!!! Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Ghost63368	37. RE: Cameron John Romance May 27 2008, 12:00 PM EDT What if Cameron turns out to be a "daughter" of either John or Derek and a possible future Cameron? The "daughter" could be a reconstruction of the real child and sent back. This would account for her apparent age and affection for John. Check out Plot Lines if you want some interesting theories. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
sec1971	38. RE: Cameron John Romance May 27 2008, 1:54 PM EDT "What if Cameron turns out to be a "daughter" of either John or Derek and a possible future Cameron? The "daughter" could be a reconstruction of the real child and sent back. This would account for her apparent age and affection for John. Check out Plot Lines if you want some interesting theories." Whoah! That's the most interesting theory yet. Or, maybe, she is a duplicate of John's future wife. Because of the leap forward in time, John never meets Kate Brewster. I'm also curious about the other, mysterious girl at John's school. What's her REAL story? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Ghost63368	39. RE: Cameron John Romance May 27 2008, 3:39 PM EDT "Whoah! That's the most interesting theory yet. Or, maybe, she is a duplicate of John's future wife. Because of the leap forward in time, John never meets Kate Brewster. I'm also curious about the other, mysterious girl at John's school. What's her REAL story? " Different times and theories. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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