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SilentHer0
SilentHer0
IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 1 2008, 1:13 AM EDT
I've been on Terminator "high" for several months now, its been awesome too, but I really think I should get this thought and idea out. I was reading about Cameron and her character profile on Wikipedia. What amazed and triggered my INSANE idea was this line, "...Friedman wrote for the audition, which involved a crying Cameron discussing with John the future in which she meets him, how he saves her life and "how [she] feels about [him], even though [she] doesn't 'feel." PLEASE GO TO THIS LINK--->http://www.canmag.com/nw/8903-summer-glau-sarah-connor-chronicles. APPARENTLY!!! CAMERON LOVES JOHN. Anyways! John in the future saves Cameron according to Friedman. I ask myself, why would John save Cameron? She's a Terminator but my observation is that John 'saved' a Terminator in this case it was Cameron, which influenced her judgement of him somehow. I dunno, I think their relationship could be more important than people realize. If Terminators believe that humans are a threat to their existence...the question is what would a Terminator think (and yes they do think & learn) if a human defied that logic by saving them?? The Terminator would be conflicted and puzzled by the action...I believe that John's future action of saving Cameron would inevitably lead to the resolution of the war. I dunno maybe because Terminators finally realized humans are not a threat anymore??? I don't know, its a possibility but its a thought. To rewind my trend of thought, the link I refered to is Summer Glau's audition scene where she mentions that Friedman wrote a scene for her audition for the role about John saving Cameron. This may eventually crop up during the Terminator Chronicles eventually...but apparently John saved Cameron and she loves him for that in her own way... 14  out of 14 found this valuable. Do you?    
eelman007
eelman007
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 1 2008, 1:27 AM EDT
So mabey Cameron is Johns 2IC and not Kate Brewster/ or in TSCC time line Brewster gets killed post Judgement Day and along comes Cameron!!!!!!!!!!! 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
T-1976
T-1976
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 1 2008, 4:44 PM EDT
It may not be a love, per se......but a kind of loyalty to him.

You saved me, now im in your debt....type of situation.

We really dont know at this point whether Cameron can feel love or any emotion....she is still in an early stage of learning. So I would have to say her being able to love........while not impossible and may indeed happen.....is not clear just yet.
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KrelleK

KrelleK
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 1 2008, 5:23 PM EDT
"It may not be a love, per se......but a kind of loyalty to him.

You saved me, now im in your debt....type of situation.

We really dont know at this point whether Cameron can feel love or any emotion....she is still in an early stage of learning. So I would have to say her being able to love........while not impossible and may indeed happen.....is not clear just yet."
maybe it is my own feelings for Cameron/SummerGlau speaking, but I want her to become more human, slightly/slowly of cause, but I think she/it deserves to be able to love, and I think It could either end the war before it actually begins or atleast, end in a lasting peace and harmony between man and machine, if they just continue disrupt the coming of skynet, either cutting of storing of Coltan, and perhaps if they began to slowly but surely made sure the nuclear capabillities of skynet also was cut short, somehow.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 1 2008, 5:25 PM EDT
"It may not be a love, per se......but a kind of loyalty to him.

You saved me, now im in your debt....type of situation.

We really dont know at this point whether Cameron can feel love or any emotion....she is still in an early stage of learning. So I would have to say her being able to love........while not impossible and may indeed happen.....is not clear just yet."
I would think that if they are allowed to continue on past Season 2... which is now up in the air because of a possible strike... then Cameron will probably continue to evolve.

The question then becomes will John and Cameron be allowed to actually "hook up" in the series because she has become advanced enough to show real enough emotions, and John is actually smitten with her?

They seem to be hinting that Cameron will, in a sense, be rattled because of the explosion and that, to me, indicates that she's traumatized in some fashion like a real human would. This would indicate emotional awareness to me. Maybe John has to help her deal with it so she's back to "normal" sooner or later.

I sort of get this vibe from the snippets of what Josh and the cast have stated recently.
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KrelleK

KrelleK
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 1 2008, 6:06 PM EDT
"I would think that if they are allowed to continue on past Season 2... which is now up in the air because of a possible strike... then Cameron will probably continue to evolve.

The question then becomes will John and Cameron be allowed to actually "hook up" in the series because she has become advanced enough to show real enough emotions, and John is actually smitten with her?

They seem to be hinting that Cameron will, in a sense, be rattled because of the explosion and that, to me, indicates that she's traumatized in some fashion like a real human would. This would indicate emotional awareness to me. Maybe John has to help her deal with it so she's back to "normal" sooner or later.

I sort of get this vibe from the snippets of what Josh and the cast have stated recently. "
when there is the queestion how will Sarah and/or Derek take it, or Charlie or Ellison, if they also become a part of the little familly especially if they what Charlie and Ellison knows John/cameron should look like brother and sister. wonders if he(Charlie) is the one that say it is ok.
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KrelleK

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RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 1 2008, 6:08 PM EDT
"when there is the queestion how will Sarah and/or Derek take it, or Charlie or Ellison, if they also become a part of the little familly especially if they what Charlie and Ellison knows John/cameron should look like brother and sister. wonders if he(Charlie) is the one that say it is ok. "
or if it should become a little like a Romeo/Juliet love affair, unknown to Sarah and Derek, could probably make a few comical scenes out of that, dramatic too, then they find out what is going on
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T-1976
T-1976
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 1 2008, 6:39 PM EDT
"I would think that if they are allowed to continue on past Season 2... which is now up in the air because of a possible strike... then Cameron will probably continue to evolve.

The question then becomes will John and Cameron be allowed to actually "hook up" in the series because she has become advanced enough to show real enough emotions, and John is actually smitten with her?

They seem to be hinting that Cameron will, in a sense, be rattled because of the explosion and that, to me, indicates that she's traumatized in some fashion like a real human would. This would indicate emotional awareness to me. Maybe John has to help her deal with it so she's back to "normal" sooner or later.

I sort of get this vibe from the snippets of what Josh and the cast have stated recently. "
Good points Cuckoo.

In one of the articles in the photos section that was posted, I read about how they might have some kind of relationship, but that they will probably go slow with it. Evolve over the series...like you said.

It would be interesting to see them defeat Skynet through Cameron's love self discovery. Like SilentHer0 said, it was mentioned at the end of T2.....if a terminator can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too. So its certainly possible.....and I would welcome it :)

Interesting that you should mention the explosion and Cameron being rattled........if you look a little closer at those pictures of her, Summer has a facial expression of not only anger, but also a hint of being hurt....as in emotional. So that will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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markingswall
markingswall
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for i
Jul 1 2008, 7:43 PM EDT
"I've been on Terminator "high" for several months now"
That sentence perfectly describes the mood I've been in for the last couple of months. Couldn't bring it into words as you did but that hits the spot. Amazing how 9 episodes can have such an impact.
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SilentHer0
SilentHer0
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for i
Jul 1 2008, 8:39 PM EDT
"That sentence perfectly describes the mood I've been in for the last couple of months. Couldn't bring it into words as you did but that hits the spot. Amazing how 9 episodes can have such an impact. "
Dude, I've been watching the movies and the show for the past several months. :P not just the show
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AugustusM
AugustusM
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for i
Jul 1 2008, 10:18 PM EDT
I think that in the future, John reprograms the terminators to help them not out of love but out of a sense of protecting human soldiers and also as a way to upset skynet by using its creations against it. However, when Cameron came along, John understood that it wasn't just a newer model but rather a revolutionary model and not only reprogrammed her but actually was with her 24 hours a day. Even though he had great memories of Uncle Bob, he could not reprogram a terminator so he would act like his friend, his father or anyone he could interact in any other way than a general and a soldier who must follow his orders (up to the point where they go bad...) But with Cameron it was different, she (not it) was different. He started to let his guard down with her, and she started to gain his trust. This was obviously NOT well seen, much less accepted by many of his soldiers (Derek comes to mind...) so (to steal a phrase) people fear what they don't understand, and decided to "decomission" Cameron. John stopped them. He gets killed saving Cameron. Cameron feels bad. She comes back in time to help John out of love for him. But since present John is not the same as future John maybe now that love can evolve, change, or simply be transformed into respect. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
T-1976
T-1976
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for i
Jul 1 2008, 11:07 PM EDT
"I think that in the future, John reprograms the terminators to help them not out of love but out of a sense of protecting human soldiers and also as a way to upset skynet by using its creations against it. However, when Cameron came along, John understood that it wasn't just a newer model but rather a revolutionary model and not only reprogrammed her but actually was with her 24 hours a day. Even though he had great memories of Uncle Bob, he could not reprogram a terminator so he would act like his friend, his father or anyone he could interact in any other way than a general and a soldier who must follow his orders (up to the point where they go bad...) But with Cameron it was different, she (not it) was different. He started to let his guard down with her, and she started to gain his trust. This was obviously NOT well seen, much less accepted by many of his soldiers (Derek comes to mind...) so (to steal a phrase) people fear what they don't understand, and decided to "decomission" Cameron. John stopped them. He gets killed saving Cameron. Cameron feels bad. She comes back in time to help John out of love for him. But since present John is not the same as future John maybe now that love can evolve, change, or simply be transformed into respect."
Are you saying that Cameron is getting a second chance at being around John? At caring about him?

Good thoughts, regardless.

John saw in Cameron a terminator that really has a potential to be a force for good for mankind.......perhaps thats why he put his heart and soul into her reprogramming. He wanted her to be special.
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AugustusM
AugustusM
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for i
Jul 2 2008, 12:15 AM EDT
Are you saying that after John saw in Cameron a terminator that really had the potential to be a force for good for mankind.......perhaps even that's why he put his heart and soul into her reprogramming and he wanted her to be special; she wouldn't make the most of a second chance at being around him? At caring about him?
Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted, One moment; Would you capture it or just let it slip?
: p
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T-1976
T-1976
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for i
Jul 2 2008, 12:31 AM EDT
"Are you saying that after John saw in Cameron a terminator that really had the potential to be a force for good for mankind.......perhaps even that's why he put his heart and soul into her reprogramming and he wanted her to be special; she wouldn't make the most of a second chance at being around him? At caring about him?
Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted, One moment; Would you capture it or just let it slip?
: p"
Good question :)

Sometimes you "carpe diem", but sometimes it slips through your fingers. I would try to make the most that I could out of it....but it would also be nice to have a second chance. I think thats what is happening here :)
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ositos

ositos
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for i
Jul 2 2008, 12:37 AM EDT
"John stopped them. He gets killed saving Cameron. Cameron feels bad. She comes back in time to help John out of love for him..."
I personally feel too that future John has died, and Cameron came to the past simply to continue being with him, simply because "without John your life has no purpose" -- these were her exact words when Sarah was desperate after having lost John's signal in the truck and was screaming at Cameron that she could not possibly understand how she felt. I think Cameron's reply expressed exactly how Cameron herself felt and why she had come to the past, so contrary to Sarah's assumption, Cameron really understood her.
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steif.kopain
steif.kopain
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for i
Jul 2 2008, 12:46 AM EDT
That is an interesting premise to explore. Perhaps John did die and Cameron actually came back to prevent it. She came back to help present John and Sarah stop Skynet from ever being "born". Interesting premise... 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
cpc2027

cpc2027
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 2 2008, 7:05 AM EDT
"I've been on Terminator "high" for several months now, its been awesome too, but I really think I should get this thought and idea out. I was reading about Cameron and her character profile on Wikipedia. What amazed and triggered my INSANE idea was this line, "...Friedman wrote for the audition, which involved a crying Cameron discussing with John the future in which she meets him, how he saves her life and "how [she] feels about [him], even though [she] doesn't 'feel." PLEASE GO TO THIS LINK--->http://www.canmag.com/nw/8903-summer-glau-sarah-connor-chronicles. APPARENTLY!!! CAMERON LOVES JOHN. Anyways! John in the future saves Cameron according to Friedman. I ask myself, why would John save Cameron? She's a Terminator but my observation is that John 'saved' a Terminator in this case it was Cameron, which influenced her judgement of him somehow. I dunno, I think their relationship could be more important than people realize. If Terminators believe that humans are a threat to their existence...the question is what would a Terminator think (and yes they do think & learn) if a human defied that logic by saving them?? The Terminator would be conflicted and puzzled by the action...I believe that John's future action of saving Cameron would inevitably lead to the resolution of the war. I dunno maybe because Terminators finally realized humans are not a threat anymore??? I don't know, its a possibility but its a thought. To rewind my trend of thought, the link I refered to is Summer Glau's audition scene where she mentions that Friedman wrote a scene for her audition for the role about John saving Cameron. This may eventually crop up during the Terminator Chronicles eventually...but apparently John saved Cameron and she loves him for that in her own way..."
hi im knew here... but i think your on to somethin........but heres my idea maybe camron is good skynet... maybe john saved her from certain death since he does have feelings for machines. they became close and so john decided to send skynet(camron) back in time to stop judgement day so none of what happened in the future happens......OR.......if you are still with me..........maybe camrons actually evil skynet who went back in time. It thinks maybe although the right decision was made about destroying the human population, it wants to see and learn why the humans still fight for a futile effort? And in her endevors she finds out why...through the most obvious choice...John Connor who better to teach her then the one man who possibly understands everything more than anyone else? yah, so that was just a thought...
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T-1976
T-1976
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 2 2008, 5:33 PM EDT
I think if Cameron turns out to be bad, it would leave a very bad taste in everyone's mouth. I really dont think thats where the series is headed.

She's good :)
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admitch
admitch
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 2 2008, 7:11 PM EDT
Maybe we should check out that interview with Summer Glau once again. If I recall, she was crying BECAUSE John sent her back! She was in love and did not want to leave?
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AugustusM
AugustusM
RE: IMPORTANT: John apparently saved Cameron...and she loves him for it...
Jul 2 2008, 8:14 PM EDT
I think that would be helpful. Do you have a link to the video?

AND SHE IS G O O D, and decent, and kind, and loyal, and steadfast, and "in love", and gorgeus, and amazing, and incredible, and very patient, and cool, and kicks butt, all in all, a tight present.
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