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C.Isaac |
20. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 16 2008, 7:48 PM EDT
"If they stop J-Day is it even possible for her to exist? I would like to see Cameron in the movies and Summer Glau has said she would be interested.Would John be able to exist? It depends on what you think about how time works. If you consider the timeline she is from is now an alt timeline, then she can continue to exist, just like John can. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Veran |
21. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 16 2008, 9:12 PM EDT
"Would John be able to exist?Yes, because she exists in the here and now. Do you find this valuable? |
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yeshermione |
22. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 17 2008, 2:01 AM EDT
"Now as much as I would love the idea that Cameron survives past Judgment Day, I think it is inevitable that she will die in the very last episode of the Sarah Connor Chronicles. I say this because of what happened to Kyle, the T-800, and the T-850. John's protectors always die. Plus there is no mention of Cameron in Terminator Salvation, which is said to be set after the series. "It is possible that Cameron is terminated. But I’d like to see a different approach. Maybe have just one protector of his who is not killed. I find it more interesting to see Cameron existing past Judgment day. What would she do? And if Judgment day is stopped and Cameron remains good could that stop any form of skynet popping up? (Ok I don’t know the movies really well.) I would not mix the movies and the TV show. Two different things and different timelines as well. I want to see Cameron exists well past Judgment Day. Well that and J/C together! :) “And I can see, final shot in the series, John stuffing a terminator chip into his backpack as he and Sarah ride off into the sunset after destroying Skynet for good. dun-dun-da-dun. One of a billion possibilities.” -I was thinking about the exact same thing. Cameron will live to see another day! And who knows maybe Cam’s chip does not have to be plugged in to ‘see it all.’ But that would be an ending I would buy. That or all three of them together. By the way I am loving your fan fic. I hope this is just one of many, many to come. I will post more reviews when I have a chance. Keep up the great work. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Jalex002 |
23. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 17 2008, 2:55 AM EDT
It occurred to me that if they wanted to bring Cameron into the future Terminator movies that they would likely use the idea that her chip survived but her body didn't to circumvent why she wasn't in T4.
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Veran |
24. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 17 2008, 6:33 AM EDT
"It occurred to me that if they wanted to bring Cameron into the future Terminator movies that they would likely use the idea that her chip survived but her body didn't to circumvent why she wasn't in T4."Speaking of; a new trailer has been released for T4. Looks pretty impressive so far. BTW, CHAPTER EIGHT of Cam's Redemption has now been uploaded. Do you find this valuable? |
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LiquidMetal |
25. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 17 2008, 11:24 AM EDT
John takes Cameron's chip and implants it into Skynet. This becomes a electronic battle between eComeron an eSkynet, similar to TRON or the Matrix
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T-888-Engineer |
26. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 17 2008, 11:44 PM EDT
Hi Veran,It's not clear to me that she has to die, just as it's not clear that Judgment Day is inevitable. Recall that the Terminator movies, starting with "Terminator 3", represent a different and entirely independent take on the Terminator franchise (versus the Sarah Connor Chronicles). There is, therefore, no reason for The Sarah Connor Chronicles to be constrained in any way by the movies beyond Terminator 2. I also believe (yes, you may well disagree with this) that we're starting to see something important: AI development is inevitable. Sarah Connor blew up the Cyberdyne research lab in Terminator 2. Then Andy Goode almost independently comes up with AI to form the core of Skynet. Andy Goode is dead, but even if Cameron and John destroy the "Turk", someone else will build up. Can anyone really believe that some independent person won't invent human-like AI 100 years from now? 200 years from now? 300 years from now? If human-like AI is certain to appear sooner or later, even decades after John Connor has long died, how will the death of billions be prevented? A harmony must be found between humankind and macines! The unity of humanity and machinery is possible. You already have it in your fan fiction at and individual level (Cameron and John). The humanization of machines is possible, and Cameron is a morally (not physically) a human being in your fiction. These are thoughts. I see Cameron not as a tragic figure who must die but rather as the heroic figure: the unification of humanity and machinery. You may want to think of that creative direction in your writing. ;) T-888 P.S. The T-800 and T-888 models are old clankers. Arnold's T-800 could not cry or be truly human (as he admitted before melting in the steel), but that's only because he's not advanced enough... 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
I7eIvIoN |
27. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 18 2008, 8:51 AM EDT
i like the idea of the battle, but think this way, cameron is badly damage not in season 2 but lkater on in the story like season 10=) but then the body is belong physical repair john takes the mircochip processor and stores it until he find her a new body it be cool
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Veran |
28. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 18 2008, 8:59 AM EDT
Thanks T-888.In regards to Judgment Day; it should happen sooner rather than later. This is because there might not be another saviour to save us in 100 years. Sure, they can prolong JD but it is more-or-less inevitable: "It is in your nature to destroy yourselves." Maybe Cameron will bridge the gap between man and machine. Form an alliance or sorts, kind of like in the Matrix. As for my fan fic, I'm working on the finale chapters now and should have it finished and uploaded by tonight. What's it about? One word:.............Prom. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jalex002 |
29. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 18 2008, 9:10 AM EDT
Maybe slowing down the arrival of Judgment Day could even aid SkyNet in its war. Even if the Connor's hold back advances in AI the military is still going to develop the robots which are used to kill mankind. Pushing back JD would mean the robots SkyNet would have from the outset would be more advanced and give it an advantage.
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Veran |
30. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 18 2008, 4:48 PM EDT
"Maybe slowing down the arrival of Judgment Day could even aid SkyNet in its war. Even if the Connor's hold back advances in AI the military is still going to develop the robots which are used to kill mankind. Pushing back JD would mean the robots SkyNet would have from the outset would be more advanced and give it an advantage."Exactly. Come to think of it, the more John tries to stop Skynet, the worse off we'll be. The problem is he's not going to just sit there and triddle his thumbs until the bombs fall. Though it is true that "There is no fate but what we make", some things can only be prolonged. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jalex002 |
31. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 18 2008, 5:10 PM EDT
Like you said you can't apply "There is no fate but what we make" to technological advancement as the only way to stop that would be destroy every computer and kill every scientist oh and burn every library as progress isn't because of one man. Perhaps they should spend there time preparing for post Judgment Day e.g. finding military shelters, stockpiling food. Admittedly that would be a rather boring program to watch though.
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T-888-Engineer |
32. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 18 2008, 6:03 PM EDT
Well, Judgment Day isn't necessarily inevitable, only the advancement of AI is.Cameron, in your fan fiction (and hopefully in T:SCC's upcoming seasons as well!) is the synthesis of AI and humanity. I don't see it as being at all like the "Matrix". Rather, it seems Skynet ought to be replaced by a benevolent and heroic AI, based on Cameron. Here's one possibility: suppose that once Cameron's reaches her full potential, becoming truly human, she allows John to copy her neural state through the CPU interface system. John and Cameron proceed, using the data, to reverse engineer Cameron's chip with her neural state, which is that of a true human. An alternative to Skynet, based on Cameron's AI, is subsequently built by Cameron and John working together. Here, instead of trying to destroy AI technology, Cameron and John decide to redirect and control its future development. The resulting "Cameron-NET" that comes on line becomes the dominant AI. Any stupid attempts by a future "Skynet" to destroy humanity would result in violent and supremely lethal resistance from the original Cameron, from John Connor, and from the Cameron-based AIs that they create as a preventive barrier against the malicious Skynet AI. Indeed, Cameron-NET, in her desire to protect humanity (she is, after all, human herself!) will seek the extermination of any and all other AIs she perceives as a threat to humanity. Now it will be Skynet's turn to face a deadly, ultra-powerful AI enemy that has already decided its fate: extermination. The tables end up being turned... Just my 2 cents... T-888 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Veran |
33. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 18 2008, 6:38 PM EDT
"Well, Judgment Day isn't necessarily inevitable, only the advancement of AI is.Brilliant! Call Josh Friedman and give him this idea. Do you find this valuable? |
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Veran |
34. RE: Cameron's Death
Jul 19 2008, 6:02 PM EDT
My new Fan Fic: "Turncoat" is starting to come together.Visit: http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/page/Turncoat To see the prologue. The rest will follow soon. Do you find this valuable? |
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KrelleK |
35. RE: Cameron's Death
Aug 5 2008, 8:09 AM EDT
"Well, Judgment Day isn't necessarily inevitable, only the advancement of AI is.but maybe not exterminate in such a violent way, more it hacks it override it with itself/teach it to be human friendly. Do you find this valuable? |
