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Omegarium |
40. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 8 2008, 5:52 AM EDT
Anyway, I don't think FOX hires fanfiction writers to pen their shows, so I'm confident.
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41. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 8 2008, 5:54 AM EDT
"(Provided we agree on the definition of "Being a 12 y-o girl" as "Supporting the John/Cameron romance")."No, we don't. And you know it. That's why you are being insulting and also know it. To view every possible way the subject can be explored as "cheesy" is, IMO, narrow minded at best. 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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42. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 8 2008, 5:56 AM EDT
"Anyway, I don't think FOX hires fanfiction writers to pen their shows, so I'm confident."The moments of tension between the characters are pretty clearly there. Something they have already included in the story. Do you find this valuable? |
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43. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 8 2008, 5:59 AM EDT
It's still time to make so it doesn't go any further.
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HK103 |
44. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 8 2008, 6:01 AM EDT
"It's still time to make so it doesn't go any further."Well, obviously they are stupid fanfiction writers to have played with the idea in the first place. /sarcaasm 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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45. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 8 2008, 6:23 AM EDT
In much the same way that schoolchildren don't go to school to chase girls and boys, Cameron was never sent to make love, she was sent to protect him. John Connor wasn't born to make love either. He was born to lead an army, to be a soldier, warrior, technician and politician in the future war. John Connor should remain a virgin and celibate. He is to practise abstinence from sexual yearnings. John giving his heart away or letting people know his feelings makes him look reckless, impetuous, inept and decadent. John should never let Cameron know he has feelings for her. It's none of her business. It would be a colossal error, an error of judgment. John cannot trust anyone, even his mother. He can't let people run his life and nor can he be dependent on anyone. He answers to no-one.With regards to TSCC, these are my beliefs. This is my religion. I don't deny that John Connor is an animal with animal instincts. I do not deny that he is human with feelings and emotions, feels pain and remorse. But given that he does have feelings, I think he'd still do what I'd like him to do: shut everyone out of his life, disconnect them from his existence. Remember what Kyle said? If there is pain and it's irrelevant, disconnect it. Sarah and Cameron are part of the pain he's suffering so he's disconnecting them. He doesn't want them to be relevant anymore. He has to ignore them. He has to denounce and disown them. He is not the problem. They are the problem. Like I said in one of the other threads, I don't want Cameron to find out that John cares about her. No, she doesn't need to know that. If she ever finds out, she's bad news. Cameron will bring John Connor down. She cannot find out about it. If there's a reason that Episode 1 is called "Samson and Delilah," it's possibly because a woman can bring about the downfall of a great man. 0 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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46. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 8 2008, 6:57 AM EDT
"In much the same way that schoolchildren don't go to school to chase girls and boys, Cameron was never sent to make love, she was sent to protect him. John Connor wasn't born to make love either. He was born to lead an army, to be a soldier, warrior, technician and politician in the future war. John Connor should remain a virgin and celibate. He is to practise abstinence from sexual yearnings. John giving his heart away or letting people know his feelings makes him look reckless, impetuous, inept and decadent. John should never let Cameron know he has feelings for her. It's none of her business. It would be a colossal error, an error of judgment. John cannot trust anyone, even his mother. He can't let people run his life and nor can he be dependent on anyone. He answers to no-one.when in that case I guess it could just as well be Riley, as it could be Cameron, that bring him to a fall. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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IntrepidVillain |
47. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 8 2008, 7:13 AM EDT
"when in that case I guess it could just as well be Riley, as it could be Cameron, that bring him to a fall."John doesn't see Riley as threat. He sees Cameron and his mother as a threat. John might not actually be falling for her. He's trying to escape Sarah and Cameron. He's looking for a new ally. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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KrelleK |
48. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 8 2008, 7:31 AM EDT
"John doesn't see Riley as threat. He sees Cameron and his mother as a threat. John might not actually be falling for her. He's trying to escape Sarah and Cameron. He's looking for a new ally."In which I see huge possibillity for it to go down the drain, if he runs from the familly, he cannot be protected by them, and he cannot get the needed protection anyware else. the police would see him as crazy, so would Rileys familly, until one day, either Cromartie, or some other termie, breaks the door down, and shooting Riley and familly, perhaps even John. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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49. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 8 2008, 7:35 AM EDT
"In which I see huge possibillity for it to go down the drain, if he runs from the familly, he cannot be protected by them, and he cannot get the needed protection anyware else. the police would see him as crazy, so would Rileys familly, until one day, either Cromartie, or some other termie, breaks the door down, and shooting Riley and familly, perhaps even John. "In some way it could be kinda related to Harry Potter, in one of the Books he ask if he could live with Sirius Black, Dumbledore tell him, he needs to live with th Dursleys, because they are of his mothers blood, and somehow that gives him a protective shield against Voldemort due to the sacrifice her mother made, no other familly would give him the same protection Do you find this valuable? |
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50. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 9 2008, 12:58 AM EDT
Intrepid you have a very INTERESTING theory- B U T - In the future John is surrounded by terminators more than humans I think because he finds it easier to be around them. To my knowledge there had never been a female terminator before Cammy (except in the comic book story lines). And she seemd quite important to John, special, even "precious" to him. I think he has to be a very odd person because of of his life and the responsibility he has. I don't think he has ever been able to fully connect with a a woman because of this, so to me his only sexual encounters might be to procreate more humans, and although there are amany people who care about him it just hurts to much not to think about them like soldiers. If you want to think of needs as that,then Cammy would be a perfect solution to his ailments. Can you think of a better deffinition of "No Strings Attached". moreover, can you really define creepy, weird, odd or unthinkable in that future? I say give future john a break. Maybe a relationship in the present is too controversial, and difficult to understand (guys with inflatable dolls; the horror...). He is the leader of the human resistance beacuse of his affinity for computers and robots. He is more open to a middle ground in the war because so far I get the impression he doesn't hate robots like most everyone else. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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51. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 14 2008, 12:20 PM EDT
Right on, i think it would be interesting to see a little romance on the show, but just a little, i still wanna see action and violence.
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52. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 14 2008, 3:51 PM EDT
"I love my PC... but I don't think it counts. It's be weird if i were kissing or hugging my PC...shes not the same as a PC and like intrepid said, i would love to see a platonic relay go on. i would 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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53. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 14 2008, 4:08 PM EDT
Well thank god Natalie Chaidez (one of the writers) said there will be no crazy Term sex goin on. I was worried for awhile because Thomas and Summer seem to be all about wanting to do a romance thing because it would be challenging as actors but it seems the storytellers think it wouldn't be good storytelling, just good for jokes, shits and giggles.
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54. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 14 2008, 8:49 PM EDT
"Since when does romance equal getting it on?? Yes, sex is part of a relationship, but it's just that - a part. There's a lot more to a relationship.I agree 100%. Cameron is not a sexbot, and that line of thought is just crass. But John and Cam's relationship is far more interesting and subtle. Without wishing to sound overly profound, it really is an exploration of what it means to be human - T-888 Engineer has written some lovely posts on this. Cameron is gorgeous, and she will give her life without hesitaion to save John. Furthermore, unlike John's relationship with Uncle!Bob, on a day-to-day basis when they're not fending off Terminators it John who is protecting Cam as she struggles to blend in. She is like an autistic girl, or perhaps more accurately an idiot savant (it's almost as if she's been deliberately programmed to act like this, so as to inspire feelings of protectiveness in John). So it would be impossible for John not to develop feelings for Cam. OTOH, John will come crashing back to Earth with a thud if he acts on his feelings. Cam (at least at this point) is just a machine. She has programming directives (protect John, can't self terminate), but she has no emotional understanding of life - she doesn't care about anyone's life: not John's (as apparently happens in S2), not even her own. Even if she sacrificed her own life for John it would have no meaning to her, so it's a hollow sacrifice. So the question is can she become human? T-888 Engineer has pointed out that being a human is not just a matter of being made of bones and meat, so being a machine is arguably irrelevant. Do you love your Grandfather any less because he has a pacemaker in his chest? If you keep replacing parts at what point does someone cease to be a person and become a machine? And what about the time that Cam is spending with humans. It was not unusual for missionaries sent out to convert the "savages" to go native; abandoning their former lives and fully adopting into indigenous society. Could that happen to Cam? 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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55. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 14 2008, 8:52 PM EDT
Cont'd - There's a song that says something like "You ain't nobody unless somebody loves you". Does John loving Cam make her closer to being human? I think this is all fascinating, and like other posters have said I will be disappointed if it turns out that Cameron was in part human all along. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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56. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 14 2008, 9:55 PM EDT
from SFX Magazine in the UKAugust :In early episodes, we see a hint that something – possibly romantic – could develop between Cameron and John. Does this develop? Summer Glau: I hope so. I don’t know. At this point, we’re moulding and moulding. The story is so complicated and I know people think ‘Well, how are you gonna keep this up?’ There are endless possibilities from our writers, they’re bringing in really rich sub-plots and guest stars. It’s all evolving but I think "Cameron feels as close to love for John as a robot could." 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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57. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 15 2008, 4:17 AM EDT
"1.) Furthermore, unlike John's relationship with Uncle!Bob, on a day-to-day basis when they're not fending off Terminators it John who is protecting Cam as she struggles to blend in.1.) Those are my thoughts as well. As much as she's watching over John (in a bodyguard capacity), he is watching over her - in a social capacity; guiding her, teaching her about human behavior... 2.) Now that's an interesting thought. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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58. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 15 2008, 5:42 AM EDT
"[it's almost as if she's been deliberately programmed to act like this, so as to inspire feelings of protectiveness in John]Much has been made of the difference in Cameron's behaviour between when she first meets John and later in the series. We know that this was a writer's decision to change the character, but in my imagined version of events when Future!John is giving Cameron instructions before sending her back in time he somewhat misremembers his youth: "Now Cameron, when I was a teenager I was a big hit with the ladeeze, so you're going to have to try real hard to get my attention." Cameron catches up with Teenage!John in 1999, she comes on too strong and scares him away. Cameron thinks: "Unexplained discrepancy found with Future!John's assessment of Teenage!John's familiarity with Human Mating Behaviour. Alter mission parameters: switching to "Fish out of water" behaviour mode" Do you find this valuable? |
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59. RE: John and Cameron romance poll
Aug 15 2008, 8:26 AM EDT
all ready did it early !
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