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catskull007
catskull007
Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 18 2008, 10:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 10:20 PM EDT
Who do you think is going to win johns heart? Will john find himself falling for riley, or will cameron prove that she can truly love him? I think cameron will fall for john, and visa versa. i think she wasnt based of his lover, I think she was his lover. 47  out of 50 found this valuable. Do you?    
Keyword tags: cameron john connor love riley
wolberine
wolberine
1. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 18 2008, 10:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 10:28 PM EDT
cameron of course 37  out of 38 found this valuable. Do you?    
AugustusM
AugustusM
2. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 18 2008, 10:30 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 10:30 PM EDT
I think sometimes first you need to try the wrong thing so when you have the right one you won't let go of it. I think in John's case Rile is the wrong choice but he has to live this experience in order for him to be sure why Cameron would be the right choice for him. Though by any standard it is kind of depressing to think that your soul mate is a combat chasis draped in living tissue trying to imitate human behavior and could accidentally kill you any moment.... 40  out of 44 found this valuable. Do you?    
Capt.Crunch
Capt.Crunch
3. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 18 2008, 10:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 10:43 PM EDT
Cameron 100% 29  out of 31 found this valuable. Do you?    
Rolex5513
Rolex5513
4. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 18 2008, 10:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 10:49 PM EDT
Cameron everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. 30  out of 31 found this valuable. Do you?    
catskull007
catskull007
5. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 18 2008, 10:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 10:50 PM EDT
"I think sometimes first you need to try the wrong thing so when you have the right one you won't let go of it. I think in John's case Rile is the wrong choice but he has to live this experience in order for him to be sure why Cameron would be the right choice for him. Though by any standard it is kind of depressing to think that your soul mate is a combat chasis draped in living tissue trying to imitate human behavior and could accidentally kill you any moment...."
i totally agree with you, i just couldnt find the right words. the only thing i disagree with is that i dont think cameron could ever hurt john. when she was "bad cameron" she had a perfect opportunity to kill him, in the house, but she didnt pull the trigger.
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catskull007
catskull007
6. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 18 2008, 10:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 10:51 PM EDT
"Cameron 100%"
im with you. but, i think he will try riley, and then relize she isnt right for him
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MeCookieMonster#3
MeCookieMonster#3
7. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 18 2008, 10:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 10:53 PM EDT
Cameron

I think Cameron is someone who John was in love with in the future and she was killed by Skynet so John (I know this sounds gross) used her skin and the rest of her to make her a terminator. That is why she is known as John's "personal terminator" in the future. And we see that he is attracted to her now.
That's my theory
anyone agree?
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Shuuz
Shuuz
8. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 18 2008, 10:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 10:55 PM EDT
"I think sometimes first you need to try the wrong thing so when you have the right one you won't let go of it. I think in John's case Rile is the wrong choice but he has to live this experience in order for him to be sure why Cameron would be the right choice for him. Though by any standard it is kind of depressing to think that your soul mate is a combat chasis draped in living tissue trying to imitate human behavior and could accidentally kill you any moment...."
...what that doesn't turn anyone else on?
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catskull007
catskull007
9. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 18 2008, 10:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 10:59 PM EDT
"Cameron

I think Cameron is someone who John was in love with in the future and she was killed by Skynet so John (I know this sounds gross) used her skin and the rest of her to make her a terminator. That is why she is known as John's "personal terminator" in the future. And we see that he is attracted to her now.
That's my theory
anyone agree?"
gruesome... i agree sort of. i think that she was sent to kill him, but he stopped her and reprogrammed her. and, as he made more advanced programing, she became more human, until eventually he fell in love with her and she for him. i also think that when he sent her back, he reverted her to her basic programming, and put the rest in sort of a (i no this sounds stupid)"unlockables" or "level up" of her intellegence, and human atributes. anyone agree?
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Kobe101
Kobe101
10. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 18 2008, 11:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 11:23 PM EDT
I think Riley is gonna get screwed over.

Who evens knows if she likes John?
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XAnGeLiCDiAbLoX
XAnGeLiCDiAbLoX
11. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 18 2008, 11:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 18 2008, 11:37 PM EDT
It can't be Cameron BECAUSE she is already MY lady. hehe......Nah but i def. think cameron will. I think Cameron was johns lady in the future. On a side note, i heard somebody mention that cameron is johns daughter in the future.(I REALLY HOPE THAT IS NOT TRUE) 15  out of 24 found this valuable. Do you?    
joecanada83
joecanada83
14. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 19 2008, 12:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 12:11 AM EDT
"i totally agree with you, i just couldnt find the right words. the only thing i disagree with is that i dont think cameron could ever hurt john. when she was "bad cameron" she had a perfect opportunity to kill him, in the house, but she didnt pull the trigger."
Cameron did pull the trigger while she fell from the second explosion. She pointed the gun away from him though...I agree with you on the whole Cameron not hurting John sinario...But I totally agree with AugustusM about the learning things the hard way to know and find out about it later that Cameron his the right choice.
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joecanada83
joecanada83
15. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 19 2008, 12:21 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 12:21 AM EDT
"Cameron

I think Cameron is someone who John was in love with in the future and she was killed by Skynet so John (I know this sounds gross) used her skin and the rest of her to make her a terminator. That is why she is known as John's "personal terminator" in the future. And we see that he is attracted to her now.
That's my theory
anyone agree?"
Episode 4 is all about Cameron and the writers should shine some light on this subject.
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catskull007
catskull007
16. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 19 2008, 12:24 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 12:24 AM EDT
"It can't be Cameron BECAUSE she is already MY lady. hehe......Nah but i def. think cameron will. I think Cameron was johns lady in the future. On a side note, i heard somebody mention that cameron is johns daughter in the future.(I REALLY HOPE THAT IS NOT TRUE)"
OH POOP. if that was true, well that would just plain suck!
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catskull007
catskull007
17. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 19 2008, 12:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 12:27 AM EDT
"Cameron did pull the trigger while she fell from the second explosion. She pointed the gun away from him though... "
oh sry i just watched that episode again. i see ur right
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logansean
logansean
18. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 19 2008, 1:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 1:14 AM EDT
I think it remains to be seen if Cameron can truly love. She doesn't know herself. What is clear is that something has changed in her program. Skynet was always capable of emotion...but the emotion it has demonstrated is anger. The explosion appears to have synthesized new emotional expressions. Cameron is the first terminator to express doubt and hesitation. She overrode her mission to terminate John Connor, which represents an auto-programming ability. She is now the author of her own destiny. I love this show. It's amazing. 28  out of 29 found this valuable. Do you?    
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
19. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 19 2008, 1:30 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 1:30 AM EDT
"I think it remains to be seen if Cameron can truly love. She doesn't know herself. What is clear is that something has changed in her program. Skynet was always capable of emotion...but the emotion it has demonstrated is anger. The explosion appears to have synthesized new emotional expressions. Cameron is the first terminator to express doubt and hesitation. She overrode her mission to terminate John Connor, which represents an auto-programming ability. She is now the author of her own destiny. I love this show. It's amazing. "
If you read the description of Episode 4 it sounds like (unless they're playing word games, which is always possible) Cameron IS at least BASED off a real person... and she may find out WHO she WAS (in a sense). That could trigger deep seated memories of the ordeal she undertook in the Future to make her what she is.

Allison MAY be her real name... possible??

If this holds out the dilemma for Cameron's development may be which personna will she finally go with? Allison the more human version of her "soul" or Cameron the machine Terminator.

If Allison wins over then she CANNOT be an effective protector for John... John will have to have more help than she can give since she will think too much like a human and have the same vulnerabilities and questioning attitude (I'm thinking about what to do). However, she will be the companion he needs. I believe this side of her begged John to spare her and said she loves him; as in it was genuine and not an act.

If Cameron wins over then you have the unfeeling automaton who just goes around kicking ass and not caring.

Unless, somehow... she can successfully blend the two sides together... she's tough and acts as she needs to for the mission... yet is full of love and emotion.
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Saberspeed
Saberspeed
20. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 19 2008, 1:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 1:33 AM EDT
For all we know Rily can be Johns rebound after what happenend to Cameron. 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    

Veran
21. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 19 2008, 5:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 19 2008, 5:48 PM EDT
Cameron, end of discussion.

There's no way they'd avoid that subplot, it's practically fate that she and John hook up.
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