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382. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 8 2008, 11:17 PM EDT
"I could not disagree more. Yes Derek traveled back in time and yes he killed Andy Good. But the difference is he made the choice to kill Good. He could have decided not to, but he choose to. Unless a Terminators chip is reprogrammed and reset it has no choice. Whether or not Derek feels remorse for what he did we don't know. But the fact is that it is possible for him to feel such things. I think the writers have shown distinct difference between Human and Machine(Sarah rescuing a kid that wasn't important to the mission that was going to be killed by a T888 vs Cameron letting any and every human die who she deems expendable I.E. Dance teacher) . I don't think that Humans and Terminators will work together in the future. In order for that to happen, every single last machine made by Skynet would have to be reprogrammed and good look getting a bunch of humans that have been starved and tortured by machines to work with them."nuh uh! its unless the write protection on the cpu is disabled, it won't have a "choice"...... machines don't really choose any way, they follow programming, mathmatically calculating some thing in a logical, systematical way. if the write protection is off, it can acquire new programming & thus have a chance to arrive at a different conclusion. still not a choice....... 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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greatsayain |
383. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 9 2008, 12:13 AM EDT
"I could not disagree more. Yes Derek traveled back in time and yes he killed Andy Good. But the difference is he made the choice to kill Good. He could have decided not to, but he choose to. Unless a Terminators chip is reprogrammed and reset it has no choice. Whether or not Derek feels remorse for what he did we don't know. But the fact is that it is possible for him to feel such things. I think the writers have shown distinct difference between Human and Machine(Sarah rescuing a kid that wasn't important to the mission that was going to be killed by a T888 vs Cameron letting any and every human die who she deems expendable I.E. Dance teacher) . I don't think that Humans and Terminators will work together in the future. In order for that to happen, every single last machine made by Skynet would have to be reprogrammed and good look getting a bunch of humans that have been starved and tortured by machines to work with them."i don't think it's explicitly shown but I think future andy asked Derek to kill him in the past so that he wouldn't become responsible for creating skynet. that doesn't seem to have worked out the way he planned. Somebody has to have the "your not aterminator anymore... you can't go around killing ppl ok?" talk with Cam. If nobody teaches her she won't learn. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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HealingMindN |
384. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Oct 9 2008, 1:04 AM EDT
Let's remember that future JC chose Allison for a mission, unknown, for reasons, unknown. Future JC also (allegedly) reprogrammed our lovely infiltrator and sent her back to protect present JC.Do we know exactly what goes into that programming? Unknown. Did future JC know that Allison persona existed in Cameron? Unknown. One thing for sure, we can't base our opinions of future technology on our present knowledge. We have to think at least 20 years in the future - and technology moves forwards by leaps and bounds every day. This is why my first post here dealt with a quantum holographic matrix which allows for higher gauge symmetry, therefore allowing true AI imprinted by human intention. Remember, skynet formed its own matrix (network) as a free roaming program through all available computer systems. It became self aware through this matrix. In turn, skynet applies its own neural net model to the terminators. Does future JC know how this neural net works? Probably, or else how does he know how to reprogram terminators? Do you find this valuable? |
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HealingMindN |
385. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Oct 9 2008, 1:56 AM EDT
Cameron may also be that lovely paradox who gives present JC the technological edge he needs to fight skynet. How else could future JC stay ahead of skynet unless he knew how the technology works? How else could future JC have that technological edge w/o Cameron giving present JC knowledge from the future?In that sense, Cam is like Eve giving Adam forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge. Another reason that present John doesn't get full command of Cam until he's of age, when he can "slap dat ass." Do you find this valuable? |
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catskull007 |
386. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 9 2008, 11:19 AM EDT
"nuh uh! its unless the write protection on the cpu is disabled, it won't have a "choice"...... machines don't really choose any way, they follow programming, mathmatically calculating some thing in a logical, systematical way. if the write protection is off, it can acquire new programming & thus have a chance to arrive at a different conclusion. still not a choice......."as interesting as this is..... i think we should go back to the subject. now my question is: will john have a girlfriend? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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The_pretender |
387. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 9 2008, 11:42 AM EDT
"as interesting as this is..... i think we should go back to the subject. now my question is: will john have a girlfriend?"not sure any girlfriend of his has a death sentence on her head so. . .I'd go with "who knows?" Do you find this valuable? |
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this1isnew |
388. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Oct 9 2008, 2:02 PM EDT
"I hope it never comes to that. In the end John will realize they're all just the same as Derek said. just machines. As in T2 "I know now why you cry but it is something I can never be"- sez the governator. Maybe John sent Cameron back so young John would be more open to the idea of using re-programmed terminators as allies in the future war. "we would have never made it in Topanga Canyon without them!". "She saves my life!". "they don't know love" -> " I know that". Of course it's fun to watch them try to be human. (remember the ultra advanced synths in the Alien movies. "it's in my programming" - Alien 4)"Your right. I think Derek knows better than anyone right now about how these machines are, thats why he keeps warning against trusting them. When Derek told John that they're all the same John said that Cam wasn't because he made her. Maybe Cam is diff. from the rest of the machines in that way, but she still glitched and tried to kill him like all the rest, and it still isn't even clear on wheter or not she's fiixed. She's a machine, she glitches, and lieing s part of her programming, and preservation is part of her programming. Unlike lieing, loving has never been stated to be part of her programming, so when she "declared her love" for John she was probably just trying to preserve herself and avoid being terninated. Even so Cam is a better companion to John than Riley is. Riley seems sneaky and self interested, more so than a glitching machine, she can't be trusted. Do you find this valuable? |
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KrelleK |
389. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 9 2008, 4:11 PM EDT
"all I can think of is in T1 the writer had intended for the T101 to shed it's skin and wasn't thinking about the reality of shrapnel. (it's possible the bomb was placed so shrapnel flew away from the t101, i don't rember the scene that well.)well if we are talking shrapnell from the pipe bomb in T1, the we must remember it seemed to be put into a tapping tube in the other end of the truck, so there seems to be a big gas explosion between the machine and the place the bomb went boom. Do you find this valuable? |
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KrelleK |
390. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 9 2008, 4:14 PM EDT
"well if we are talking shrapnell from the pipe bomb in T1, the we must remember it seemed to be put into a tapping tube in the other end of the truck, so there seems to be a big gas explosion between the machine and the place the bomb went boom. "in cams case the bomb was almost right in front of her/beneath her. Do you find this valuable? |
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MyImmortal |
391. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 9 2008, 4:14 PM EDT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYVuvkIUcWoThat vid tells you who really wins John's heart. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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KrelleK |
392. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 9 2008, 4:23 PM EDT
"Well to be honest after tonight's episode(Allison From Palmdale) I hope John and Cameron don't get together. It would be an insult to Alison's memory. She died at the hands of Cameron in the future, trying to protect John from Cameron. Honestly after tonight I think of Cameron as more of an abomination then anything else. The stolen image of a very brave women who died defending not just John but the human resistance of the future. "well i guess we could see it that way, i agree, but what if she begins to feel remorse for doing that particular thing, and going to try the connors to palmdale, both to ask for forgiveness for killing there daughter in 20 years time, but also to proclaim that she will do anything she can, for Allison of this time(the baby) is taken care of and protected, in saying that the memories of our Cameron will make sure she does not fade into notthingness, because it did happen for her, as in alt ending of T2 were sarah is an old lady, saying that JD never happened but for her the memories of Kyle, and what he told her would remain with her to her death, and in stead of being a resistance general, he became a politician Do you find this valuable? |
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393. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 9 2008, 6:49 PM EDT
"not sureunless, of course, its cameron. Do you find this valuable? |
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394. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 9 2008, 7:01 PM EDT
"Who do you think is going to win johns heart? Will john find himself falling for riley, or will cameron prove that she can truly love him? I think cameron will fall for john, and visa versa. i think she wasnt based of his lover, I think she was his lover."john has to pop the bubble sooner or later. riley is an inbetween. overall i don't get the impression that john connor really loves anyone as much as his mom or his mission. his life is too complicated. i think he does care deeply. cameron/john byplay might be good story for a little while, but what can a hunk of metal really offer to the super savior of the human race? I can't imagine her ever being able to offer him enough.....John's just too passionate for her. Do you find this valuable? |
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greatsayain |
395. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 9 2008, 11:56 PM EDT
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYVuvkIUcWoFrom that video you'd conclued that John loves Cam, and dekker haas said in almost every interview he's given that John loves Cam. But I think he still considers it a love that can never be. Cam is a long way from being able to return his affection and feelings. Since the car bomb John has been trying to put a distance between him and Cam. In that distance someone like Riley can squeeze in. She happens to be especially tempting cause he doesn't have to chase after her and she represents something completely normal, untainted by Skynet. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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catskull007 |
396. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Oct 13 2008, 10:55 PM EDT
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYVuvkIUcWothat was a great vid! next episode comin up! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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shygirl101 |
397. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Nov 15 2008, 3:58 AM EST
Cameron and yes in her own way!
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