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42. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 20 2008, 1:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 1:21 PM EDT
Didn't find the intreview I saw before yet, but this one is close and interesting to watch.http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/page/Season+2+Interviews 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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43. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 20 2008, 1:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 1:23 PM EDT
"Didn't find the intreview I saw before yet, but this one is close and interesting to watch.http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/page/Season+2+Interviews"
opps, try the buddy tv interview on this page


They also say again that the episode 4 on Cameron background is great.......
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General_Mazaki
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44. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 20 2008, 4:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 4:31 PM EDT
"Who do you think is going to win johns heart? Will john find himself falling for riley, or will cameron prove that she can truly love him? I think cameron will fall for john, and visa versa. i think she wasnt based of his lover, I think she was his lover."
It better be Cameron. I actually found myself annoyed with Riley. All she wants is to be fed, and possibly get laid. I hope she doesn't become a major character. It would be interesting to see if Cameron's intelligence developed so well that she was capable of real emotion and love. Keep in mind that John does have a wife in the future. Katherine Bruster, for those that forgot about that in T3. Of course, maybe things changed. I always liked the theory that Cameron was modeled off of a real woman, possibly John's lover, and was built by the humans, not machines. Maybe that's why John seems so attracted to her. However, her default command of terminate suggests otherwise. Ugh, this is making mah brain hurt.
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General_Mazaki
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45. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 20 2008, 4:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 4:37 PM EDT
"Cameron

I think Cameron is someone who John was in love with in the future and she was killed by Skynet so John (I know this sounds gross) used her skin and the rest of her to make her a terminator. That is why she is known as John's "personal terminator" in the future. And we see that he is attracted to her now.
That's my theory
anyone agree?"
Human skin cannot heal nearly as fast as Cameron's. It isn't human skin. It's the same chemical formula of skin, but no DNA.
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KrelleK
46. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 20 2008, 6:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 6:13 PM EDT
"Not going to happen with Sarah and/or Derek in the picture. If Cameron did seduce John, Derek would find a way to kill her."
or atleast she would be in major trouble,
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47. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 20 2008, 6:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 6:19 PM EDT
"It better be Cameron. I actually found myself annoyed with Riley. All she wants is to be fed, and possibly get laid. I hope she doesn't become a major character. It would be interesting to see if Cameron's intelligence developed so well that she was capable of real emotion and love. Keep in mind that John does have a wife in the future. Katherine Bruster, for those that forgot about that in T3. Of course, maybe things changed. I always liked the theory that Cameron was modeled off of a real woman, possibly John's lover, and was built by the humans, not machines. Maybe that's why John seems so attracted to her. However, her default command of terminate suggests otherwise. Ugh, this is making mah brain hurt."
T3 does not apply to TSCC in any way, so we can all forget about Kate Brewster.
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KrelleK
48. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 20 2008, 6:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 6:22 PM EDT
""Jealousy" was mentioned in more than one interview. But it's explained that she will "feel jealousy as much as a robot can". Mainly, she thinks Riley is a thread to John. But she'll be giving Riley snarky remarks and such, behavior that can very well be described as jealousy.

Here's one example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI3CR8lMvjI"
so in a sense she is justifying being harsh on Reily, on trying to protect John, but unknown to herself, and her developing personality, she does it because it is Jealousy rearing it ugly head, and John might sense/know it, and tell her, but she will not realise it just like that, could be kinda fun to see, John: Your Jealous of Riley! Cam: No i am not, i do this to keep you safe!
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General_Mazaki
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49. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 20 2008, 8:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 8:10 PM EDT
"T3 does not apply to TSCC in any way, so we can all forget about Kate Brewster."
Where did you get that information from? I'm not doubting you or anything, just curious.
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sentinelangel
sentinelangel
50. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 20 2008, 9:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 9:43 PM EDT
"i totally agree with you, i just couldnt find the right words. the only thing i disagree with is that i dont think cameron could ever hurt john. when she was "bad cameron" she had a perfect opportunity to kill him, in the house, but she didnt pull the trigger."
Twice counting the wrench-through-the-window. That wasn't the most efficient way to kill him. Even after throwing the wrench, she just stood there staring at him instead of jumping up onto the hood (wouldn't have mattered then even if he had hit the gas) and kicking him in the skull/climbing in to finish him off barehanded, which she could do pretty easily.
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sentinelangel
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51. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 20 2008, 9:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 9:46 PM EDT
"If you read the description of Episode 4 it sounds like (unless they're playing word games, which is always possible) Cameron IS at least BASED off a real person... and she may find out WHO she WAS (in a sense). That could trigger deep seated memories of the ordeal she undertook in the Future to make her what she is.

Allison MAY be her real name... possible??

If this holds out the dilemma for Cameron's development may be which personna will she finally go with? Allison the more human version of her "soul" or Cameron the machine Terminator.

If Allison wins over then she CANNOT be an effective protector for John... John will have to have more help than she can give since she will think too much like a human and have the same vulnerabilities and questioning attitude (I'm thinking about what to do). However, she will be the companion he needs. I believe this side of her begged John to spare her and said she loves him; as in it was genuine and not an act.

If Cameron wins over then you have the unfeeling automaton who just goes around kicking ass and not caring.

Unless, somehow... she can successfully blend the two sides together... she's tough and acts as she needs to for the mission... yet is full of love and emotion."
Sarah herself has her 'Terminator' side -- okay, so that side was only TRULY on show in Terminator 2 at Miles Dyson's place before John and "Uncle Bob" showed up -- but what we're seeing now (properly, I might add) is the successful blending of those two sides.

I think Cameron could very easily do the same.
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sentinelangel
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52. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 20 2008, 9:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 9:48 PM EDT
"or atleast she would be in major trouble, "
An interesting new conflict, to say the least.

Sarah: You're not sleeping with my son.
Cameron: Stop me.
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Prince_Xenu
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53. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 20 2008, 10:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 10:00 PM EDT
"An interesting new conflict, to say the least.

Sarah: You're not sleeping with my son.
Cameron: Stop me."
Knowing Derek, he might find a way....
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LuckiiBeckii
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54. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 20 2008, 10:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 10:01 PM EDT
"An interesting new conflict, to say the least.

Sarah: You're not sleeping with my son.
Cameron: Stop me."
ROFLMAOCOPTER!!!!!! *dies laughing* oh god thank you for that, hahahahaha!
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joecanada83
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55. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 20 2008, 11:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 11:19 PM EDT
"gruesome... i agree sort of. i think that she was sent to kill him, but he stopped her and reprogrammed her. and, as he made more advanced programing, she became more human, until eventually he fell in love with her and she for him. i also think that when he sent her back, he reverted her to her basic programming, and put the rest in sort of a (i no this sounds stupid)"unlockables" or "level up" of her intellegence, and human atributes. anyone agree?"
I agree with John having feelings for Cameron and I think we all know that Cameron has the same feelings for him too. But as for programming her to kill John, maybe not...My theory is that John was scouting around Skynet's turran, like a lonewolf mission just for himself. Something that cought he's eye. I like to believe that John saved Cameron just before Skynet had the chance to program her. He brought her back without any of his own men knowing about it and program her to learn from him and how to become more human. Than after he did what was needed to start her off. John sent her back for is younger-self to learn more from him.
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General_Mazaki
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56. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 20 2008, 11:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 11:40 PM EDT
"I agree with John having feelings for Cameron and I think we all know that Cameron has the same feelings for him too. But as for programming her to kill John, maybe not...My theory is that John was scouting around Skynet's turran, like a lonewolf mission just for himself. Something that cought he's eye. I like to believe that John saved Cameron just before Skynet had the chance to program her. He brought her back without any of his own men knowing about it and program her to learn from him and how to become more human. Than after he did what was needed to start her off. John sent her back for is younger-self to learn more from him."
Interesting theory, but In reality, I doubt any human would go alone, especially John Connor, the leader of the Resistance. Even with plasma weaponry, he would have a tough time taking on a Terminator by himself, regardless of model. I was leaning more towards human built, but that wouldn't make sense because the "terminate" command was still in her chip. I was thinking Cameron was an advanced prototype, and Cameron's development of human characteristics became so extreme, that Skynet's logic centers panicked and tried to destroy her, in fear of her having true independent thought and allying with the humans. Of course, they didn't act fast enough, and she was captured by the Resistance.
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joecanada83
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57. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 20 2008, 11:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 20 2008, 11:53 PM EDT
"I think it remains to be seen if Cameron can truly love. She doesn't know herself. What is clear is that something has changed in her program. Skynet was always capable of emotion...but the emotion it has demonstrated is anger. The explosion appears to have synthesized new emotional expressions. Cameron is the first terminator to express doubt and hesitation. She overrode her mission to terminate John Connor, which represents an auto-programming ability. She is now the author of her own destiny. I love this show. It's amazing. "
You took the words right out of my mouth....
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BabsJohnson
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58. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 12:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 12:05 AM EDT
"Who do you think is going to win johns heart? Will john find himself falling for riley, or will cameron prove that she can truly love him? I think cameron will fall for john, and visa versa. i think she wasnt based of his lover, I think she was his lover."
Cammy and Riley will make out and be a ratings hit.
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joecanada83
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59. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 12:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 12:37 AM EDT
"but remember, cameron got knocked around ALOT. and in episode three she'll lose her memory. When she gets it back, it could be a complete teritorial "@#!$ off!" kinda thing. im not saying ur wrong, im just saying that cameron hasn't gotten the "ur not a terminator, u can't go around killin people,etc" (from t2) so she could very well consider riley a threat to be killed."
In episode 2 we see Cameron sizing up Riley to see if she was a liability or not and than we see Cameron watching John and Riley heading up stairs at the sametime it kind of looks like Cameron was writing a note witch it might be for Riley (you can see in Cameron's eyes). But than we see that she was just drawing a bar code....That got me worried about Riley for a moment there.
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joecanada83
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60. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 1:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 1:23 AM EDT
"It better be Cameron. I actually found myself annoyed with Riley. All she wants is to be fed, and possibly get laid. I hope she doesn't become a major character. It would be interesting to see if Cameron's intelligence developed so well that she was capable of real emotion and love. Keep in mind that John does have a wife in the future. Katherine Bruster, for those that forgot about that in T3. Of course, maybe things changed. I always liked the theory that Cameron was modeled off of a real woman, possibly John's lover, and was built by the humans, not machines. Maybe that's why John seems so attracted to her. However, her default command of terminate suggests otherwise. Ugh, this is making mah brain hurt."
The T:SCC series doesn't have anything to do with Terminator 3: rise of the machines, Josh already said it will not have any relations to that movie or follow that storyline at ALL. As for Riley I believe that this might be the oppertunity to have an execuse to go to the Prom...Cameron said yes to Moss....
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General_Mazaki
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61. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 1:46 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 1:46 AM EDT
"The T:SCC series doesn't have anything to do with Terminator 3: rise of the machines, Josh already said it will not have any relations to that movie or follow that storyline at ALL. As for Riley I believe that this might be the oppertunity to have an execuse to go to the Prom...Cameron said yes to Moss.... "
Really? Hmmm... Clever... I dunno about a prom thing, considering they moved, remember? They might be going to a different school, now. I don't really care for a prom scene, anyways. It would make for one REALLY ackward scene. I liked the idea that Riley being involved is going to further Cameron's human characteristic development, like developing jealousy or something along those lines.
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