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62. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 1:57 AM EDT
John will fall for Cameron in the end, after he screws it up. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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63. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 5:28 AM EDT
"Not going to happen with Sarah and/or Derek in the picture. If Cameron did seduce John, Derek would find a way to kill her."Oh, having Cameron seduce John, that would be awesome to see. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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General_Mazaki |
64. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 12:04 PM EDT
"Oh, having Cameron seduce John, that would be awesome to see."I dunno about seduction.. Seduction isn't true love. The only way I'm interested in this is if it IS love, and Cameron has become so human, she pretty much is one, just with non-human internals. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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65. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 12:27 PM EDT
well, true love is more about the giving of oneself to someone else, and not being concerned with what you get in return. That's unconditional love. Cameron's situation is pretty much that, only I feel she's not fully aware of it yet. She'd risk her life to protect John at any cost, and isn't really concerned with what he'd do in return, thus the sort of off response to him bringing her back. She doesn't feel he NEEDS to save her, since to her, he's the only one that matters. But when John saved her, he was doing it a bit selfishly, because she "saves/saved" him and he needed her to keep doing that. But i think he just said that to justify his efforts to bring her back. I think he REALLY saved her because he felt it was the only way to thank her for all those times she'd saved HIM. it was his turn to do some saving.It's an odd circumstance for both of them, since Cameron was sort of already programmed for "pseudo-love" in protecting him, and he's trying to come to terms with howhe can exactly give himself to her in a way she can appreciate, since she's not a normal human girl. I love this ship...lol 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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66. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 1:03 PM EDT
The interesting thing about Cameron's reaction to John saving her, "You can't be trusted anymore... that was a very dangerous thing to do..." is that it's not a very Terminator-like reaction. Divorced of any emotional context, her reaction should have been the same as if he'd saved a potentially dangerous yet extremely useful weapon, like a brick of C4. Her reaction suggests that she sees herself as something more than that and is applying an emotional context to the equation.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
67. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 1:03 PM EDT
John saved her... because what Cameron said was at least half-true at the moment: he loves her. The reaction on his face after he pulled her chip said it all. She's read him like a book. What I might find interesting is if Riley and Cameron are discussing John (one of the things they have in common), and Cameron is confused and working it through out loud as to WHY John re-activated her; basically risked everything to put her back on-line after she went bonkers (Riley is her sounding board). Riley knows the answer after seeing John and Cameron interact with each other, and in her blunt way blurts it out... it's pretty clear to me. It wasn't because of any tactical decision or any thing like it. It's was love. John loves you. The wanker just can't see it clearly yet. And Riley decides to help Cameron (a hook up project-- girls LOVE to do that; even if the other girl is a known machine) act more "girlie" and snag her man. Humor ensues as Riley (RILEY of all people!!!) goes about trying to make over Cameron and Cameron does her very best to attract John via Riley's inept advice. John finds it funny and bizarre and endearing at first (as do we), but then realizes (as do we) that Cameron is doing this because she loves him too (it's her way of saying "look at me, damn it!"): it's not artifice, it's real. He FINALLY becomes attracted to her again... to the consternation of Derek and Sarah: John has the hots for a Terminator. Knowing these two their heads would explode. And Derek mistakenly thinks Cameron, the metal bitch, is lying to John again because "of course" machines can't feel anything. Little does he know. And this leads to an on the sly romance. Forbidden love... but with the knowledge that is real hope for the future. 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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68. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 1:11 PM EDT
"John saved her... because what Cameron said was at least half-true at the moment: he loves her. The reaction on his face after he pulled her chip said it all. She's read him like a book.as cute as that all seems to be, I think Levin stated in an interview or at least alluded to it that SHE's the one John'll be snogging this season. But so far, I've noticed it hasn't really violently changed his interactions with Cameron. He's a bit more defensive, but not to the point of elusiveness. Yet, anyway. I think Riley's going to be so taken with John that she's not even going to notice Cam's acting "off". I think Riley's going to think Cam's John's sister for the whole season. Do you find this valuable? |
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69. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 1:11 PM EDT
I think we're all giving Derek a little too much credit. Remember, he's not a Terminator himself. Sarah and John managed to incapacitate her, but that was, frankly, an extremely implausible scenario. (How did Sarah just HAPPEN to know Cameron would be standing in front of the truck John was in?) I think as much as it would piss him and Sarah off, they'd just have to live with it. It's not like having a Terminatrix in love with John would put him in any more danger than he's in, anyway, and frankly it would improve her ability to protect him. (Hey, if I've got a "scary robot" who happens to look like a mind-bendingly hot girl protecting me, I don't want her 50 feet away when I'm sleeping, I want her in bed with me. Not even for the cuddles -- if something comes into my room, I want her to be able to deal with it immediately, not have to come running which would give it a second or two of opportunity.)
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LuckiiBeckii |
70. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 1:15 PM EDT
"I think we're all giving Derek a little too much credit. Remember, he's not a Terminator himself. Sarah and John managed to incapacitate her, but that was, frankly, an extremely implausible scenario. (How did Sarah just HAPPEN to know Cameron would be standing in front of the truck John was in?) I think as much as it would piss him and Sarah off, they'd just have to live with it. It's not like having a Terminatrix in love with John would put him in any more danger than he's in, anyway, and frankly it would improve her ability to protect him. (Hey, if I've got a "scary robot" who happens to look like a mind-bendingly hot girl protecting me, I don't want her 50 feet away when I'm sleeping, I want her in bed with me. Not even for the cuddles -- if something comes into my room, I want her to be able to deal with it immediately, not have to come running which would give it a second or two of opportunity.)"ROFL! that actually makes total sense! It gels with what i think would have happened if Cam hadn't lost her cover that second day of school with John. She would have completely infiltrated to the point where he was so in love with her he didnt WANT to be without her, therefore giving her the optimum environment to protect him every single moment. kudos! 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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71. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 1:34 PM EDT
"Riley is just wanting $20 bills and wanting to get laid. Send her over to Agent Ellison. He has money and I'm sure he has some "game"."John was dressed like a bum when he met riley. nothing about him gave any indication of having money. $20 maybe but not much else. Who sleeps over at someone's house, on the floor, wake up and make a on foot tall lego man for him if you don't like him. so money he hasn't got and if she JUST wanted to get laid (i'm sure she wants to get laid but all in due time) then she wouldn't have slept on the floor. Do you find this valuable? |
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72. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 1:39 PM EDT
John is just rebelling against his destiny, he thinks he can be normal and be with a normal girl like Riley but he's just running away from himself. It's robot love for him, nothing more nothing less.
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General_Mazaki |
73. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 1:49 PM EDT
"ROFL! that actually makes total sense! It gels with what i think would have happened if Cam hadn't lost her cover that second day of school with John. She would have completely infiltrated to the point where he was so in love with her he didnt WANT to be without her, therefore giving her the optimum environment to protect him every single moment. kudos!"I second that. However, having Characters that are supposed to be minors in bed together? A little weird. Maybe Cameron staying in John's room, watching over him while he sleeps, that would work, but having them in bed together would be weird. But yes, John is totally in love with Cameron, regardless of her being a machine or not. I just think he doesn't want to admit it to his mother, or Derek, and that is why he is hanging with Riley. He is rebelling, but is later going to realize that the best companion for him is Cameron. If she has the potential to be completely sentient like a human, it would be like having a relationship with a real person, just that she's going to never age, eat or reproduce. Of course, I think its fair to say that since Cameron is an infiltrator, she probably is capable of having sex with a human. 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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74. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 1:49 PM EDT
"as cute as that all seems to be, I think Levin stated in an interview or at least alluded to it that SHE's the one John'll be snogging this season. But so far, I've noticed it hasn't really violently changed his interactions with Cameron. He's a bit more defensive, but not to the point of elusiveness. Yet, anyway. I think Riley's going to be so taken with John that she's not even going to notice Cam's acting "off". I think Riley's going to think Cam's John's sister for the whole season."Oh, I didn't say when this change would take place. I'm just generalizing a scenario where the relationship changes again. It might if Riley spends more time with the Connors (again, I stated that she may have no other friends) and finds out just who Cameron really is and also sees that Cam has feelings for John and vice versa. Many times people can get a vibe coming off a rival. And, remember, John is starting to feel alienated from "normal" and he may start to pull back and distance himself from Riley, and Riley will probably see this. Cameron is NOT normal. She fits his lifestyle. Riley and Cameron are ODD. They do have things in common: they both like John, they both need friends, and they have seen John retreat from them both. If Riley finds out about Cameron... it only further enforces Riley's interest in Cameron: she's not just weird, she's REALLY weird. And Riley knows weird. =) I think it would be cool (and I've said this in many a thread now) if Riley is not scared off by Cameron. Cameron acts defensively (like you're in danger if you stick around), but Riley actually pushes back and wants to be friends, is intrigued by the Connor's mysterious life style, the future, and all that. As much as Cameron may not understand it yet... there are people who are interested in her and like (and love) her. They are there for her. That grows this female bond... it's good for Cameron, it's good for Riley, and it's good for John in the end. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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75. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 2:06 PM EDT
"Oh, I didn't say when this change would take place. I'm just generalizing a scenario where the relationship changes again. It might if Riley spends more time with the Connors (again, I stated that she may have no other friends) and finds out just who Cameron really is and also sees that Cam has feelings for John and vice versa. Many times people can get a vibe coming off a rival.but that would mean that Riley would be here to stay, at least for a season or two, and as much as I love her now, I sort of want her gone ASAP. The more John gets attached to her, the more it's gonna hurt when she leaves. Do you find this valuable? |
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76. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 2:06 PM EDT
Does anyone see a Lois and Clark scenario happening here? Riley and John get closer but at some point the relationship cannot move forward unless he tells her that he is the future saviour of humanity and is presently being hunted by terminators .
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77. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 2:07 PM EDT
"Oh, I didn't say when this change would take place. I'm just generalizing a scenario where the relationship changes again. It might if Riley spends more time with the Connors (again, I stated that she may have no other friends) and finds out just who Cameron really is and also sees that Cam has feelings for John and vice versa. Many times people can get a vibe coming off a rival.Hmmm... Yeah, I guess so. My feelings are telling me I want Cameron and John to end up together, though. Makes for quite an interesting story, and if Riley and John hook up, I know lots of fans are going to be dissapointed. Do you find this valuable? |
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78. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 2:10 PM EDT
"Does anyone see a Lois and Clark scenario happening here? Riley and John get closer but at some point the relationship cannot move forward unless he tells her that he is the future saviour of humanity and is presently being hunted by terminators ."That's true too. Him being in a relationship with a human would pose potential dangers to Riley. She could become a hostage, or be killed, which would not be good for John's mental health. He simply needs to strengthen his relationship with Cameron, because that is probably the only "girl" that could ever work out for him. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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79. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 2:13 PM EDT
If I was John I'd choose Riley of Cameron in a heart beat. The problem with Cameron is that she's a b*tch. If Cameron's heart belongs to anyone it belongs to future John, the one who programmed her and sent her back through time. She's loyal to the person she's waiting for and grooming him to become, not the person he is.Riley, on the other hand, is attracted to who John is now. Riley and John also have a lot more in common, aside from the obvious fact that they're both human. How do we prove Riley isn't a terminator? Simple. Try to lift her. A girl Riley's size can't way more than 130 lbs. Cameron's endo-skeleton must way more than 400 lbs. If you throw out your back trying to sweep Riley off her feet then it's a pretty safe bet she's not human. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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80. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 2:24 PM EDT
"I second that. However, having Characters that are supposed to be minors in bed together? A little weird. Maybe Cameron staying in John's room, watching over him while he sleeps, that would work, but having them in bed together would be weird. But yes, John is totally in love with Cameron, regardless of her being a machine or not. I just think he doesn't want to admit it to his mother, or Derek, and that is why he is hanging with Riley. He is rebelling, but is later going to realize that the best companion for him is Cameron. If she has the potential to be completely sentient like a human, it would be like having a relationship with a real person, just that she's going to never age, eat or reproduce. Of course, I think its fair to say that since Cameron is an infiltrator, she probably is capable of having sex with a human."I look at having a John/Cameron relationship, a building up of said love much like I do with the teen relationship in "Say Anything." Two totally different people from totally different walks of life shedding their differences and seeing through all the crap that means nothing at the end of the day and loving and supporting each other totally and without condition. They are finally open and honest with each other. As to physicality... I will and would not shy away from it. It's a part of relationships. It's reality. Reality added to sci-fi is doable. If you watch "Say Anything" you see how tastefully and tenderly it can be done without turning it into an HBO late at night spectacle. It's alluded to without showing anything; a more adult and mature way to handle a delicate subject. You feel their love (the cuddling part, the tender moments) for each other even though you don't see them while they're actually "making" love, though you know it happened. Maybe Cameron has had an emotional break down and their feelings have become much stronger. She's lying on her bed (fully clothed!!!) and John comes in (fully clothed!!) and lies down next to her and wraps his arm around her and holds her close. Cameron responds by holding him tighter. Nothing is said, nothing needs to be said. Fade to black. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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81. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 2:49 PM EDT
"An interesting new conflict, to say the least.lol Do you find this valuable? |