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catskull007
catskull007
82. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 2:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 2:51 PM EDT
"Cammy and Riley will make out and be a ratings hit."
sry cameron is not a lez.
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catskull007
catskull007
83. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 2:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 2:54 PM EDT
"Oh, having Cameron seduce John, that would be awesome to see."
that would be awesome!
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KrelleK
84. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 2:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 2:59 PM EDT
"ROFL! that actually makes total sense! It gels with what i think would have happened if Cam hadn't lost her cover that second day of school with John. She would have completely infiltrated to the point where he was so in love with her he didnt WANT to be without her, therefore giving her the optimum environment to protect him every single moment. kudos!"
Can just see it for me after the 8 years have gone, Cameron and John might end up married, and Cammy, could probably somehow make sure Sarah gets to the doctor to spot the cancer before it is to late, and they end up with Derek again, and now they find out she is a robot Yikes!!!!! how is that going to go
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
85. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 3:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:08 PM EDT
"If I was John I'd choose Riley of Cameron in a heart beat. The problem with Cameron is that she's a b*tch. If Cameron's heart belongs to anyone it belongs to future John, the one who programmed her and sent her back through time. She's loyal to the person she's waiting for and grooming him to become, not the person he is.

Riley, on the other hand, is attracted to who John is now. Riley and John also have a lot more in common, aside from the obvious fact that they're both human.

How do we prove Riley isn't a terminator? Simple. Try to lift her. A girl Riley's size can't way more than 130 lbs. Cameron's endo-skeleton must way more than 400 lbs. If you throw out your back trying to sweep Riley off her feet then it's a pretty safe bet she's not human."
They've already established that the new Terminator models are not much heavier than the person they represent. Makes for better infiltration if the person you're making love to is not crushed under your weight!

It's also how Cameron can dance so fluidly.

Riley is a distraction. However, John seems to love Cam no matter who she is. Cam just has to figure out that there is no Future John any more. She can feel for this John, hence the jealousy with Riley.
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KrelleK
86. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 3:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:12 PM EDT
"An interesting new conflict, to say the least.

Sarah: You're not sleeping with my son.
Cameron: Stop me."
that is probably an answer a very in love young girl, would say to possible mother in law that is against relationship, and probably not be overly popular about it.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
87. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 3:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:22 PM EDT
"that would probably be the answer of a very much in love young girl, and what she would say to a possible mother-in-law who is against the relationship, and probably is not overly enthusiastic about it."
True.
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wolberine
wolberine
88. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 3:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:27 PM EDT
"Riley is a distraction. However, John seems to love Cam no matter who she is. Cam just has to figure out that there is no Future John any more. She can feel for this John, hence the jealousy with Riley."
yes, i totally agree
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sentinelangel
sentinelangel
89. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 3:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:34 PM EDT
"John was dressed like a bum when he met riley. nothing about him gave any indication of having money.
$20 maybe but not much else. Who sleeps over at someone's house, on the floor, wake up and make a
on foot tall lego man for him if you don't like him. so money he hasn't got and if she JUST wanted to get laid (i'm sure she
wants to get laid but all in due time) then she wouldn't have slept on the floor.
"
If you rewatch the scenes in question, I remind you that there's no evidence that she slept at all. Maybe I'm drawing lines between dots that shouldn't be connected -- but then again, I'm amazed that John *didn't* draw those same lines. Or that Sarah didn't say anything about John having a girl in his room all night long. I can't see her freaking out over two minors (John and Cameron, okay, so that's one minor and one machine DISGUISED AS a minor) sleeping in the same bed together when, for all she knows, it's just happened with John and Riley.
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Forte21x
90. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 3:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:45 PM EDT
" If Cameron's heart belongs to anyone it belongs to future John, the one who programmed her and sent her back through time. She's loyal to the person she's waiting for and grooming him to become, not the person he is.
"
That is a great point. Cameron's loyalty is to future John first. While I don't want to see John end up with Riley, I would upset if they just brushed aside that issue.

Cameron has admitted to lying to John when the mission requires it. If her mission is to protect John why would it be in his best interest to be lied to? Especially since John will have to start making decisions; he will need as much accurate information as possible. I'm not saying that there is no possible scenario where she should lie to him. But the issues of trust and loyalty need to be resolved.

At the beginning of the series John had almost complete trust in her. And since then she has stopped him from saving Jordan, admitted to lying to him, tried to kill, and used his feeling for her against him. I don't blame her for those actions. And I would rather see John with Cameron than anyone else. But they at least need to go to couples counseling or something.

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General_Mazaki
General_Mazaki
91. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 3:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:59 PM EDT
"I look at having a John/Cameron relationship, a building up of said love much like I do with the teen relationship in "Say Anything." Two totally different people from totally different walks of life shedding their differences and seeing through all the crap that means nothing at the end of the day and loving and supporting each other totally and without condition. They are finally open and honest with each other.

As to physicality... I will and would not shy away from it. It's a part of relationships. It's reality. Reality added to sci-fi is doable. If you watch "Say Anything" you see how tastefully and tenderly it can be done without turning it into an HBO late at night spectacle. It's alluded to without showing anything; a more adult and mature way to handle a delicate subject. You feel their love (the cuddling part, the tender moments) for each other even though you don't see them while they're actually "making" love, though you know it happened.

Maybe Cameron has had an emotional break down and their feelings have become much stronger. She's lying on her bed (fully clothed!!!) and John comes in (fully clothed!!) and lies down next to her and wraps his arm around her and holds her close. Cameron responds by holding him tighter. Nothing is said, nothing needs to be said.

Fade to black. "
Hmmm... Interesting idea. Cameron's mind is so conflicted with this sentient stuff that she has a breakdown, kinda like the AI's in Halo, realizing they can never be human and go into a depression. Then, John comes into her room and she sits up, looking at him. He sits down next to her and holds her, telling her that everything will be alright, and that he understands how difficult it must be. Then she embraceses him tighter, and whispers something into his ear, not heard by the audience, then it fades to black.

Damn, I'm good. I should start writing this stuff down, w00t!
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milliardovampire
milliardovampire
92. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 4:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:00 PM EDT
"...what that doesn't turn anyone else on?"
exactly lol
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General_Mazaki
General_Mazaki
93. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 4:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:04 PM EDT
"exactly lol"
Yeah, Cameron/Riley makeout=not cool. Lesbian stuff is repulsive to me.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
94. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 4:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:04 PM EDT
"That is a great point. Cameron's loyalty is to future John first. While I don't want to see John end up with Riley, I would upset if they just brushed aside that issue.

Cameron has admitted to lying to John when the mission requires it. If her mission is to protect John why would it be in his best interest to be lied to? Especially since John will have to start making decisions; he will need as much accurate information as possible. I'm not saying that there is no possible scenario where she should lie to him. But the issues of trust and loyalty need to be resolved.

At the beginning of the series John had almost complete trust in her. And since then she has stopped him from saving Jordan, admitted to lying to him, tried to kill, and used his feeling for her against him. I don't blame her for those actions. And I would rather see John with Cameron than anyone else. But they at least need to go to couples counseling or something.

"
John and Cameron in couples counceling... now THAT I'd like to see.

John: "Um... I'm having major trust issues with my wife here."

Cameron: "I can't be trusted? You're the one who slept around with Riley, and Tess, and Valerie, and..." [she's counting off on her fingers].

John: "But, honey, they were all before I figured out it was YOU I loved."

Cameron [getting all doe-eyed and holding his hand, sniffs]: "That's so true... how could I have ever been so blind?! I must be glitching again, or something."

John [leaning over closely, and putting a hand on her bare leg]: "Cam, you KNOW I'm the only one for you! Give me some sugar, baby!"

They have completely ignored the couples therapist and start rolling around on the couch kissing passionately.

The councelor loudly clears his throat. They continue to ignore him and grope each other.

Councelor [eyes rolling]: "I give up." [stands and tosses his notebook down on his chair and walks off, sighing] "I'm getting a drink... be back in an hour."
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General_Mazaki
General_Mazaki
95. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 4:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:13 PM EDT
"John and Cameron in couples counceling... now THAT I'd like to see.

John: "Um... I'm having major trust issues with my wife here."

Cameron: "I can't be trusted? You're the one who slept around with Riley, and Tess, and Valerie, and..." [she's counting off on her fingers].

John: "But, honey, they were all before I figured out it was YOU I loved."

Cameron [getting all doe-eyed and holding his hand, sniffs]: "That's so true... how could I have ever been so blind?! I must be glitching again, or something."

John [leaning over closely, and putting a hand on her bare leg]: "Cam, you KNOW I'm the only one for you! Give me some sugar, baby!"

They have completely ignored the couples therapist and start rolling around on the couch kissing passionately.

The councelor loudly clears his throat. They continue to ignore him and grope each other.

Councelor [eyes rolling]: "I give up." [stands and tosses his notebook down on his chair and walks off, sighing] "I'm getting a drink... be back in an hour.""
couples counseling, lol

Counselor: So what problems do you seem to be having?
John: Yeah, my wife is a cybernetic bitch who can't be trusted.
Cameron: Yeah, a cybernetic bitch who has saved your life more times than the amount of people that 50 cent has shot!
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Prince_Xenu
Prince_Xenu
96. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 4:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:14 PM EDT
"sry cameron is not a lez."
She would be if it suited her mission parameters. Not so sure about Summer though.
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catskull007
catskull007
97. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 4:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:14 PM EDT
"Yeah, Cameron/Riley makeout=not cool. Lesbian stuff is repulsive to me."
i like you now
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zzzzman715ri16
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98. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly love?
Sep 21 2008, 4:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:17 PM EDT
i argee cameron loves john and john secretly likes her.
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General_Mazaki
General_Mazaki
99. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 4:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:18 PM EDT
"i like you now"
Huh? Okay... All I'm saying is that I haven't succumbed to the media's idea that lesbians are hot. In fact, its quite gross. If anybody is gonna have sex with anybody in this show, it better be man and woman.
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Gusar
100. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 4:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:31 PM EDT
"1.) Huh? Okay... All I'm saying is that I haven't succumbed to the media's idea that lesbians are hot. In fact, its quite gross.

2.) If anybody is gonna have sex with anybody in this show, it better be man and woman."
1.) It's not the media's idea. It's that many men find two women making out attractive. It's not gross. It's gross to _you_. Different things.

2.) Why? Because you don't like it? Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that it will happen on this show, but lesbians and gays are part of our society, whether you like it or not. And are getting increasing exposure even on broadcast TV - look at Desperate Housewives for example.

Sorry for going off-topic, but I just couldn't let this stand.
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KrelleK
101. RE: Cameron vs. riley. who will win johns heart? can cameron truly lov
Sep 21 2008, 4:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:37 PM EDT
"I look at having a John/Cameron relationship, a building up of said love much like I do with the teen relationship in "Say Anything." Two totally different people from totally different walks of life shedding their differences and seeing through all the crap that means nothing at the end of the day and loving and supporting each other totally and without condition. They are finally open and honest with each other.

As to physicality... I will and would not shy away from it. It's a part of relationships. It's reality. Reality added to sci-fi is doable. If you watch "Say Anything" you see how tastefully and tenderly it can be done without turning it into an HBO late at night spectacle. It's alluded to without showing anything; a more adult and mature way to handle a delicate subject. You feel their love (the cuddling part, the tender moments) for each other even though you don't see them while they're actually "making" love, though you know it happened.

Maybe Cameron has had an emotional break down and their feelings have become much stronger. She's lying on her bed (fully clothed!!!) and John comes in (fully clothed!!) and lies down next to her and wraps his arm around her and holds her close. Cameron responds by holding him tighter. Nothing is said, nothing needs to be said.

Fade to black. "
well for me in Denmark it is not a legal problem for them to being in bed together if they are both over 15 years of age, or older, and we know that John has just become 16or 17, and Cammy, well that would be the problem if there should be any, I mean someone seems to think that she was the one to be older "sister" if see them as "brother/sister"well that too might be a problem, if they are considered to be related, but that was only a coverstory, but what happens if 2 single parents get married, and they both have a boy and a girl at that age, especially if they meet at school, before the parents know about it, and unknown to each other are pairing of, and if both parents and the "Kids" get the idea of introducing them to each other YIKES!!!! perhaps trouble ahead
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