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Veran
Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 10:52 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 10:52 AM EDT
Okay, so as much as the crappy ratings have depressed me, they have also opened my eyes to a hopeful idea. Since it was announced that someone will die in Season 2, I've been utterly convinced that Cameron is in the line of fire, due mainly to Summer knowing in advance of everyone else. However, with the ratings in mind, I've come to realise just how ludicrously stupid it would be for the writers to axe Cameron's character.

Summer Glau is a phenomenal actress who has perhaps the biggest fan following of any other actor/actress on the show. Her role in Firefly and Serenity gives her a solid backing from the undefeatable fanbase known as the Browncoats, who were able to give a cancelled show its very own movie. She is loved by everyone on set and I can't imagine Josh having the stones to tell her that her role in TSCC is coming to an end. In relation to her fanbase, getting rid of Summer will be nothing short of commercial suicide as she is undoubtably the face of TSCC, we've seen her on all the posters and there simply isn't another character who could possibly fill in her shoes.

People say that they don't watch TSCC solely for Summer, but the truth is that a vast percentage of the audience are most likely Glau fans, and removing her would also remove their support for the show. Ratings would plummet and the show would atrophy. Besides all of this, I ask: how can Cameron's death be good for the show? My answer: it can't, Cameron IS the show.

Thoughts?
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Omegarium
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1. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 11:00 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 11:00 AM EDT
This would be interesting if there was any proof. Do you find this valuable?    

Veran
2. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 11:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 11:04 AM EDT
"This would be interesting if there was any proof."
Proof? I assume you mean about the Summer fanbase. If so, then I can only offer my personal opinion and observation. But c'mon, even without proof, how many Glau fans can you count on this site alone, I couldn't count them all if I had an entire week to do so.

They're... everywhere!!!
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tomasarfert
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3. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 11:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 11:13 AM EDT
I agree. Lena Headey is a great actress, I like her performance a lot, but she (and Dekker) can't pull the weight of the show alone. Cam IS the show. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

KrelleK
4. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 11:21 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 11:21 AM EDT
"Proof? I assume you mean about the Summer fanbase. If so, then I can only offer my personal opinion and observation. But c'mon, even without proof, how many Glau fans can you count on this site alone, I couldn't count them all if I had an entire week to do so.

They're... everywhere!!! "
atleast start from one, ME, and then go up the line of numbers, it will probably take long, but i think it, is possible, and was there not a: How many browncoats are there on this wiki thread at some time ago.
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Losa78
Losa78
5. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 11:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 11:23 AM EDT
Of course, there's absolutely no question that Cameron is the biggest star in the show, the key character in the whole thing. Killing her and keep the show going would be like killing Arnie in T2 or T3. I don't know if Cameron's character was written specifically for Summer Glau to play it, but I agree that she probably brings an unique touch and capability to it as an actress. It's extremely important that the viewers and the fans root, care and empathise with the characters, and if possible, with the actors themselves. It happens both ways with Cameron / Summer Glau: the fans adore them both. There just wouldn't be a show without her. All in all, Veran, what you said totally goes without saying... 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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6. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 11:25 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 11:25 AM EDT
Wasn't it during a cast wide interview that Thomas Dekker named off all the characters that will possibly be killed off. Cameron didn't make the list if I remember. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Veran
7. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 11:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 11:40 AM EDT
"Of course, there's absolutely no question that Cameron is the biggest star in the show, the key character in the whole thing. Killing her and keep the show going would be like killing Arnie in T2 or T3. I don't know if Cameron's character was written specifically for Summer Glau to play it, but I agree that she probably brings an unique touch and capability to it as an actress. It's extremely important that the viewers and the fans root, care and empathise with the characters, and if possible, with the actors themselves. It happens both ways with Cameron / Summer Glau: the fans adore them both. There just wouldn't be a show without her. All in all, Veran, what you said totally goes without saying..."
Thanks, and yes; Josh did write the character of Cameron purely with Summer in mind. In his own words: "She was practically written for Summer" (paraphrase). So with this idea being one of the very first that he had for TSCC, why the hell would he carve it out after only 2 season's?
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Veran
8. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 11:50 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 11:50 AM EDT
I've also started another thread for Summer Glau fans to post their support and show just how many Cameron fanatics there are on this site.

http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/1887190/Summer+Glau+Fan+Listing
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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9. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 12:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 12:18 PM EDT
That's why I think Sarah is on the chopping block. No opening monologue, no narration, cancer has been brought back up in a very hurried manner. Seems to add up.

It would be a real shame if that's the character they're off-ing.
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rob_uk
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10. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 12:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 12:20 PM EDT
If Sarah dies they better change the name of the show from "Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles".. Wouldn't really make sense anymore would it. Do you find this valuable?    

Veran
11. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 12:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 12:22 PM EDT
"That's why I think Sarah is on the chopping block. No opening monologue, no narration, cancer has been brought back up in a very hurried manner. Seems to add up.

It would be a real shame if that's the character they're off-ing. "
Yeah, but when presented with the choice between her and Cameron... no contest. I'd rather see both Sarah and Derek go before Cameron. But I do have hopes that neither of those two will croak. I'm kinda leaning towards either Cromartie or Ellison at the moment.
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jiapache
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12. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 2:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 2:00 PM EDT
I think we'll be saying goobye to either Cromartie, Derek, Chalie,or Ellison.
Sarah will be safe until the final season, John, well the dude has to live for the sake of humanity, Cameron, if they let Summer go the show will die.
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Losa78
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13. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 2:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 2:46 PM EDT
"If Sarah dies they better change the name of the show from "Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles".. Wouldn't really make sense anymore would it."
Now, that's for sure... Killing Sarah would totally send the title out the window. What would we have after that? The "Cameron Chronicles" or something?
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Gusar
14. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 3:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:04 PM EDT
"That's why I think Sarah is on the chopping block. No opening monologue, no narration, cancer has been brought back up in a very hurried manner. Seems to add up."
I don't see any hurrying in the way the cancer thing was brought up, can you explain what you mean by that? And the narrations will still be there, just not in every episode. The Turk himself said it here:
http://www.terminatorfiles.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=28141&sid=29a7ca796ce572bcdff165f11ceda72f#28141

Sarah is not the one to go, she's the main reason why the show was created in the first place - because people missed Sarah in T3. It makes no sense to me to kill her. Cameron is probably safe as well, for the reasons stated. So is John, for the obvious reasons.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
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15. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 3:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:29 PM EDT
"I don't see any hurrying in the way the cancer thing was brought up, can you explain what you mean by that? And the narrations will still be there, just not in every episode. The Turk himself said it here:
http://www.terminatorfiles.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=28141&sid=29a7ca796ce572bcdff165f11ceda72f#28141

Sarah is not the one to go, she's the main reason why the show was created in the first place - because people missed Sarah in T3. It makes no sense to me to kill her. Cameron is probably safe as well, for the reasons stated. So is John, for the obvious reasons."
Didn't read that. Good to know, good to know.

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valektburg
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16. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 3:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:44 PM EDT
All my friends keep watching the show only because of Cameron. And most of them never saw 'Firefly" before "TSCC".
.I think Shirley's character has good chances.
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Cameron-TOK716
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17. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 3:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 3:50 PM EDT
just an answer to your question in an interview with SFX Magazine she says that:

I love the show because it gives me energy. I come on set and I'm able to work out my aggression. I love the teamwork of doing stunts and i love (stunt coordinator) Joel Kramer. " She lights up as she heads for her Trailer and adds." My heart is so in this. I love the show and I hope it keeps going and going.

So to me thats a pretty convincing sign that she is staying with the show.

Cameron-TOK716
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Schmacky
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18. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 4:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:31 PM EDT
Man, I'm mad. I was writing a reply and my computer refreshed the page without my permission and I lost what I was writing.

Basically I was saying that this thread is stupid because even though Cameron is an awesome character and Summer is an awesome actress, she is not the star of the show nor does she carry it all by her lonesome.

There is no doubt that Summer/Cameron has a HUGe following on the internet. But, the internet is not a good ratio of actual viewers of the show. Summer is huge in the sci-fi world but outside of it, nobody knows her. And I don't believe it's just sci-fi fans that are watching SCC. Remember, the majority of viewers do not go on any forums. Summer is not the star of it. Hell, Brian Green's name is bigger than hers and his character has been just as receptive. Lena Headey's name is bigger (outside of sci-fi world) for 300 alone. That was a HUGE movie. But anyway, my point is, it's an ensemble cast and technically Headey is the star because she's the title character, but I don't think anyone outshines another. As far as characters go, I think with regular viewers and outside of internet forums, Sarah's character is more key. She's been an iconic action heroine for over 20 years.

Don't get me wrong. Cameron ROCKS. Summer ROCKS. But to say:

"Of course, there's absolutely no question that Cameron is the biggest star in the show, the key character in the whole thing"

"Lena Headey is a great actress, I like her performance a lot, but she (and Dekker) can't pull the weight of the show alone. Cam IS the show."

Is craziness. I think Cameron is safe from termination because she's taken that Arnie role... a cyborg we love to love and unless the show is going downhill, we're not ready for her to go just yet.
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Veran
19. RE: Why Cameron Is Safe From The Chopping Block
Sep 21 2008, 4:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 21 2008, 4:46 PM EDT
"Man, I'm mad. I was writing a reply and my computer refreshed the page without my permission and I lost what I was writing.

Basically I was saying that this thread is stupid because even though Cameron is an awesome character and Summer is an awesome actress, she is not the star of the show nor does she carry it all by her lonesome.

There is no doubt that Summer/Cameron has a HUGe following on the internet. But, the internet is not a good ratio of actual viewers of the show. Summer is huge in the sci-fi world but outside of it, nobody knows her. And I don't believe it's just sci-fi fans that are watching SCC. Remember, the majority of viewers do not go on any forums. Summer is not the star of it. Hell, Brian Green's name is bigger than hers and his character has been just as receptive. Lena Headey's name is bigger (outside of sci-fi world) for 300 alone. That was a HUGE movie. But anyway, my point is, it's an ensemble cast and technically Headey is the star because she's the title character, but I don't think anyone outshines another. As far as characters go, I think with regular viewers and outside of internet forums, Sarah's character is more key. She's been an iconic action heroine for over 20 years.

Don't get me wrong. Cameron ROCKS. Summer ROCKS. But to say:

"Of course, there's absolutely no question that Cameron is the biggest star in the show, the key character in the whole thing"

"Lena Headey is a great actress, I like her performance a lot, but she (and Dekker) can't pull the weight of the show alone. Cam IS the show."

Is craziness. I think Cameron is safe from termination because she's taken that Arnie role... a cyborg we love to love and unless the show is going downhill, we're not ready for her to go just yet.
"
So maybe I oversold that a little, I admit to being very biased when it comes to Summer Glau, and it is not my intention to make her seem more important than either Lena Headey or Thomas Dekker, the latter being my latest favourite actor. But the point I was trying to get across is that Summer has such a powerful following that there can be no way that Josh would just cast her aside. Cameron represents a core foundation upon which the entire show is built upon, so she has that in her favour.

As for a comparison between Summer and Lena & Thomas:

A) Summer is well-known for her role as River Tam in Firefly/Serenity and has the support of the Browncoats who, as I stated earlier, are a powerful fanbase.

B) Lena, as far as I know, has only one major film for which she's known, and that's 300.

C) Thomas' first big appearance was on Heroes as a supporting character.

My point being; to me at least, Summer is the most popular actress. She is often described as being a Comic Con icon, or words to that effect.

This is all my personal opinion, so think what you will. [shrugs]
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