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arter	80. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:16 PM EDT I liked the mouse trap plan. Get them to call John in a location where he could intercept the phone call and number. A little stupid of Sarah not to tell John that a terminator was in action and that they were going into a trap. Sarah should have given John a predetermined meeting location that didn't need to be mentioned on the phone. Their code also was very simple, one date used over and over again and given to everyone, including Riley and Charlie. Terminator grabs one and he has the code. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ScotWithOne_t	81. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:16 PM EDT "some funny bits with Cameron and the clips of that Swords & Sorcery movie. " Yeah... I liked that they used a Conan the Barbarian type character. Nice easter egg for the Ah-nold fans. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
wolberine	82. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:18 PM EDT PLEASE KILL RILEY , IS JUST A STUPID CHARACTER Post reply 8 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
redpath360	83. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:21 PM EDT "Isn't the TOK715 (Cameron) model actually older than the T-800 series? She said she was from the year 2027, but the T-800's were "new" according to Kyle Reese, and he came from the year 2029. One could argue that the timeline has been altered with the events of T2, but the alteration pushed Judgment Day back several years, and therefore the development of the 800 series would have also been delayed. It's possible that the TOK715 model was a flop because it was too prone to becoming self-aware, so Skynet stuck with the T-600s until they developed the T-800. But then why didn't they put living flesh on the T600 then instead of rubber skin, since they had already developed it for the TOK715. Shit....I don't know tech stuff. " Good question. In T2 some of this was explained with Arnie explaining in a deleted scene that the chips are set to 'read only' and the only way it was changed was when Sarah removed the chip and then reinserted the chip that allowed Arnie to learn through his neural net processor. In the end, I was just saying these Terminators seem smarter, planning elaborate schemes while keeping people alive to achieve their goals. So instead of just killing everything in sight like some people might want them to do. They plan ahead, they 'think' if you will. Who knows in the end. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
commanderchang	84. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:29 PM EDT Spoiler Alert: I have to admit I'm kinda disapointed by Michelle's death. At first I was like forget her! and not using those words! LOL They knew it was a trap and Sarah went anyway!~ All that and SHE STILL DIED Then i was like damn, and felt kinda bad. I also didnt like the way John ran off from Cameron like he was sneaking away just because Riley happened to call, I know he wanted to see her but he could of just told Cam to stick around somewhere- very upsetting to me, because this almost got him KILLED! And i wish he would realize that Cam is there to protect him especially after he risked his life to bring her back!! Oh you should of heard my language about the commercials too seemed like a lot didn't it. Anyway great episode I gotta watch again on my dvr beause i missed when they showed the glass of water ms weaver was drinking, did she really drink hmmm, oh and the 5 yr ago thing with the plane crash endoskeletons need some light on this!! They were right every episode has been a cliff hanger this season, but i'm sure i speak for all of you when i say it's all about next WEEK EPISODE 4, Can't wait! Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
aceplace57	85. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:30 PM EDT I'm glad Cameron didn't fight Cromartie. The Greenway Terminator beat her badly in the Power Plant fight. I think Cromartie would have destroyed her. She's got to get her processor working right before facing him. Cameron reminds me of a pc was a virus that's eating up 90% of its CPU time. Cameron's cognitive program is eating up her CPU cycles. That's why she's not moving or reacting. Her CPU is overloaded. Post reply 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
arter	86. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:31 PM EDT "Isn't the TOK715 (Cameron) model actually older than the T-800 series? She said she was from the year 2027, but the T-800's were "new" according to Kyle Reese, and he came from the year 2029. One could argue that the timeline has been altered with the events of T2, but the alteration pushed Judgment Day back several years, and therefore the development of the 800 series would have also been delayed. It's possible that the TOK715 model was a flop because it was too prone to becoming self-aware, so Skynet stuck with the T-600s until they developed the T-800. But then why didn't they put living flesh on the T600 then instead of rubber skin, since they had already developed it for the TOK715. Shit....I don't know tech stuff. " In this history ( per Cameron in Dungeons and Dragons) Kyle came back from 2027 so Cameron could be new built ( although not with the extra options that come on the liquid metal playset). this series is using different numbering schemes and who knows if the graphics using TOK715 and a built date of 9-2-2027 for Cameron ( did we miss her built- date party?) have anything to do with the story. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
arter	87. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:44 PM EDT This story and the last one could have use one last re-write for me. Both had a good core story and action, but the wrap-up wasn't clean. For the powerplace, I would have liked a bad guy not a terminator. Maybe Catherine forcing the powerplant boss to start the plant and Cameron fixes the plant instead of the damage caused by the terminator. Greenway could still die, but in a touching way that effects Sarah ( Did like Catherine buy-out in the end). In this story needed to run the last action segment a little longer, maybe having Riley come closer to danger ( although not knowing it) and maybe more assistance or quotes from Cameron ( I rust in salt water......). Post reply Do you find this valuable?
aceplace57	88. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:51 PM EDT Any thoughts about Catherine's real plan? Why did she need the Turk or a captured Terminator? Catherine should have detailed engineering plans for the cpu and endoskeletons of all Terminator models. Give her a few hours with AutoCad and she could create detailed blueprints for any model. I'm not sure where they are going with Catherine. I don't think her mission is to kill John Connor. Her plans are bigger and more important. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
T-1976	89. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:53 PM EDT "I'm glad Cameron didn't fight Cromartie. The Greenway Terminator beat her badly in the Power Plant fight. I think Cromartie would have destroyed her. She's got to get her processor working right before facing him. Cameron reminds me of a pc was a virus that's eating up 90% of its CPU time. Cameron's cognitive program is eating up her CPU cycles. That's why she's not moving or reacting. Her CPU is overloaded. " Perhaps thats why she was measuring the house...lol :) I thought that was a great light moment, BTW :) Its nice to have those every once in a while. Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
redpath360	90. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 10:55 PM EDT Maybe she is the 'last' or one of the 'last' T-1000-01 model numbers they used both in the war and to be sent back. That doesn't mean shes the smartest of them all. Even though she runs a corporation. I also believe her mission isnt to kill Connor but theres more there. She was sent back IMO to either ensure the creation of Skynet or is a rogue terminator many have theorized and is plannig to destroy both her creator (skynet) and humans alike. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Pyus	91. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 11:36 PM EDT "I can't help but think the writers messed up letting Catherine kill an innocent man in Samson & Delilah. Morphing and revealing that she's a T-1000 created interest in the character. She could have done that alone, getting into a locked room. No need to kill anyone. Tonight, her comments to Ellison had me thinking that maybe she's working for future John just like Cameron. But that's impossible because she's murdered someone. Why ruin the suspense? They could have kept us guessing about her intentions all season. It seems like the writers spoiled their own show." But we do not know her intentions. If you look into all the info surrounding the entire terminator franchise it has been said that the T-1000s were notorious about following their own agenda and because of that not many were made. I think it was stated to have something to do with the fact that they dont have a solid chip but instead every molecule of their bodies are flash programed. Because of this they couldn't be set to "read only" they may have developed their own plans and sentience. That would explain why in that film we would all like to forget T3 skynet abandoned the T-1000 models and instead used their liquid metal as a kind of smart skin allowing a terminator to blend in perfectly while still having the stability of a solid chip. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AdoptMeSarah	92. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 22 2008, 11:55 PM EDT "Chromartie is smart, but still too stupid to wear a hat, sunglasses, dye his hair, etc so that John can't spot him so easily. " Also he's walking around in public. Wouldn't someone have recognized him and thought he was Laszlo? Especially after the TV news segment. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
sentinelangel	93. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 23 2008, 12:11 AM EDT "I timed it. The actual episode was broken down into 5 minute pieces, filled in between with 3 minute of commercial breaks." Ouch -- that is bad. The average television script is a 45 minute piece (just under half the length of a feature film) and is broken into 5 9-minute acts. 5 5-minute acts is just unacceptable, that puts it in a half-hour (sitcom) format. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
HarveyDent	94. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 23 2008, 12:18 AM EDT Anyone else find it disturbing when the reporter said that BECAUSE of the massacre, people flocked to see Laslo's shitty film? Boy, whenever I hear of a celebrity being a murderer/terrorist/predator, I just CAN'T WAIT to see his work. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
benlumberkid	95. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 23 2008, 12:27 AM EDT "Anyone else find it disturbing when the reporter said that BECAUSE of the massacre, people flocked to see Laslo's shitty film? Boy, whenever I hear of a celebrity being a murderer/terrorist/predator, I just CAN'T WAIT to see his work." Well, the reporter lady does have a point. For example, with the Virgina Tech Massacre, the media reported that the shooter wrote a couple of gruesome plays for his English class. Upon hearing this I went on the Internet to search those up. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Aaronalxzdr	96. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 23 2008, 12:27 AM EDT Charley's role was well done. The way he tried to hold it together when he first called John, and later the way he tossed the Bible on his wife's casket at the funeral. Wouldn't want to be in CromLazKes' shoes. The movie "Finding Nemo" came to mind when John was yelling for help underwater when CromLazKes almost had him. Cameron's expression seemed to say, "Serves you right, you snot-nosed brat" when John resurfaced at the pier. Would've been cool if she'd actually said that. Post reply 8 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
trigger_happy14	97. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 23 2008, 12:37 AM EDT I liked this episode. Not one of my favorites, but it was incredibly intense and well executed. I'm still finding it really hard to like Riley (i'm trying!!!), but this episode didn't help much. Anyway to the MAIN plot. It was great! I love that Cromartie is getting better and better at hunting down John and I totally LOVED the whole "fake bomb" trick and Sarah's dilemma with Charlie and his wife. I was totally not expecting her to actually DIE though! That was a shocker. I thought they'd be able to save her after Sarah stopped the truck... That's what I like about this show! You don't know what's gonna happen. Anybody can die. I really liked Sarah's inner struggle between going back and saving John or attempting to save Charlie's wife. Inner turmoil + angst = Good TV! ^^ And poor Cameron! John ditched her. How rude. Loved the "network TV" gag and the "center of the house" bit totally reminded me of River for a moment! I mean COME ON she was barefoot and everything! :D And Cammy was so showing off her robo-muscles at the computer store! That was hilarious. Seriously though... THE PREMIERE FOR NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE? FREAKING AWESOME. I cannot wait! That trailer kinda made me totally forget about this episode (not that this episode was bad), but next week's episode looks so mindblowing I can't stand it! Is it next monday yet???? :(!!!! Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
catskull007	98. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 23 2008, 12:40 AM EDT "Is it me or do they seem to be showing off riley's figure on purpuse o0? :-)" they arent showing her off, they're FLAUNTING her. in every possible moment they show off her breasts as much as possible Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
aceplace57	99. RE: The Official "Mousetrap" Episode 203 Discussion Thread Sep 23 2008, 12:43 AM EDT This news clip made while they filmed at the pier is interesting. Cameron's expression looking at that silver, mime thing was really good. It's a shame that chopped away a lot of her reaction in the final episode. http://www.thenewsroom.com/details/2743672 I wonder if that silver dude was a real street performer? They have some pretty odd ducks at muscle beach and Santa Monica. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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