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Turncoat
Turncoat
T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 2:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 2:45 PM EDT
John in salvation is not a general but a captain in the united states army (whats left of it). So what do you guys think of the last leg of johns hero's journey. me personally I love that idea.
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nachi-wan
nachi-wan
1. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 3:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 3:13 PM EDT
really? how do you know this? source please?
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Randz_Space
Randz_Space
2. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 3:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 3:16 PM EDT
The events in Terminator Salvation take place before John ever sent Kyle back to protect Sarah Connor, so this movie will have nothing to do with any of the Terminator movies we have seen so far. It is the start of a new trilogy,for Christian Bale has signed to do two more after Terminator Salvation. We will see if the writers can come up with a script that will make us want a whole new Terminator ,since we are used to the time travel concept from the other films .
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jiapache
jiapache
3. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 3:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 3:23 PM EDT
"The events in Terminator Salvation take place before John ever sent Kyle back to protect Sarah Connor, so this movie will have nothing to do with any of the Terminator movies we have seen so far. It is the start of a new trilogy,for Christian Bale has signed to do two more after Terminator Salvation. We will see if the writers can come up with a script that will make us want a whole new Terminator ,since we are used to the time travel concept from the other films ."
true, the guy the have playing playing Kyle will be playing him as a teenage. check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_Salvation
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LiquidMetal
LiquidMetal
4. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 3:30 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 3:30 PM EDT
No time travel in T4.

T4 is set in the year 2018-2019. If we can believe all the various write-ups on Kyle Reese, he was sent back by John in the year 2027. In T4, T-800's do not exist yet. However, toward's the end of T4, John and Marcus will come face-to-face with the first of the T-800's - Roland Kickinger - a friend of Arnold's. Roland is 6'5" and weighs 315lbs.

Jphn may have been a Captain in the Army, but after taking over the leadership of the Resistance, he is promoted by his closest team members to "Supreme General." This implies there must be other General's within the Resistance.

More info on the T4 movie can be found right here at: http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/page/The+Terminator+Movies%3A+Terminator+Salvation%2C+The+Future+Begins

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JunkMale
JunkMale
5. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 3:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 3:51 PM EDT
"The events in Terminator Salvation take place before John ever sent Kyle back to protect Sarah Connor, so this movie will have nothing to do with any of the Terminator movies we have seen so far. It is the start of a new trilogy,for Christian Bale has signed to do two more after Terminator Salvation. We will see if the writers can come up with a script that will make us want a whole new Terminator ,since we are used to the time travel concept from the other films ."
Wait, if it's true that this movie takes place "before" T1, then what about this line from the Warner Bros. description?

"But the future Connor was raised to believe in, is altered in part by the appearance of ..."

To me, the "raised to believe in" portion implies that a post-T1 Sarah has raised John telling him about his future role in the human resistance. I don't see how his vision of the future can be altered by the appearance of a strange Terminator, but maybe it really is a very very strange Terminator.

Then again, if you are right, I think that would be quite an intriguing concept; a prequel to T1, where we see how it was that John Connor came to have his training without Sarah shacking up with paramilitary types.
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RonBatfreak
RonBatfreak
6. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 3:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 3:55 PM EDT
Make sense. After all in the future, who would believe that the machines have been time travelled to various points in his past to eliminate him because he's a messiah unless they see the time machine themselves. Even though the Judgment Day have happened since T3, it is still about John's journey to be the hero he's destined to be.
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LiquidMetal
LiquidMetal
7. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 4:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 4:12 PM EDT
"Wait, if it's true that this movie takes place "before" T1, then what about this line from the Warner Bros. description?

"But the future Connor was raised to believe in, is altered in part by the appearance of ..."

To me, the "raised to believe in" portion implies that a post-T1 Sarah has raised John telling him about his future role in the human resistance. I don't see how his vision of the future can be altered by the appearance of a strange Terminator, but maybe it really is a very very strange Terminator.

Then again, if you are right, I think that would be quite an intriguing concept; a prequel to T1, where we see how it was that John Connor came to have his training without Sarah shacking up with paramilitary types."
Time travel messes with my head. T4 is both a prequel and sequel to T1. Prequel in the sense that in the future, Kyle Reese has not been sent back yet. Sequel in the sense that T4 is generally following the T1/T2 time line in the present, and events that occurred.

It's not a Terminator that affects John thinking or outlook. It's Marcus, who may or may not be from the future, and who may or may not be a Terminator. This is one of the story lines in the T4 movie. Remember, T-800s make their first appearance in T4. Marcus could be a T-800.

Also, I am not sure if the appearance of the first T-800 is what is being referred to in the ".....altered in part by the appearance of..." Could be.
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JunkMale
JunkMale
8. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 4:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 4:18 PM EDT
"Time travel messes with my head. T4 is both a prequel and sequel to T1. Prequel in the sense that in the future, Kyle Reese has not been sent back yet. Sequel in the sense that T4 is generally following the T1/T2 time line in the present, and events that occurred.

It's not a Terminator that affects John thinking or outlook. It's Marcus, who may or may not be from the future, and who may or may not be a Terminator. This is one of the story lines in the T4 movie. Remember, T-800s make their first appearance in T4. Marcus could be a T-800.

Also, I am not sure if the appearance of the first T-800 is what is being referred to in the ".....altered in part by the appearance of..." Could be."
So the events of T4 *have* been affected by the events of T1 and 2?

I just want to know whether the events of T4 will lead directly to Kyle Reese being sent back to Sarah Connor and having T1 happen then. I.E. chronologically you would watch T4 before T1. It seems to me that if T4 follows the T1/T2 timeline, then it's not truly a "prequel" to T1.
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Turncoat
Turncoat
9. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 4:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 4:22 PM EDT
"John in salvation is not a general but a captain in the united states army (whats left of it). So what do you guys think of the last leg of johns hero's journey. me personally I love that idea."
what i mean is that john is not the savior yet. In the begaining of the movie john is a leader of a platoon of men and women in the first restiance but after he is captured in a battle he is sent to century work camp and after they storm century he becomes the savior of mankind.
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nateburtproangler

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10. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 4:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 4:57 PM EDT
Michael Ironside is in this movie as a general. ahahha he is an asshole in just about every role he plays ahah. He was in Total Recall, Starship troopers, Free Willy.
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Schmacky
Schmacky
11. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 5:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 5:07 PM EDT
"So the events of T4 *have* been affected by the events of T1 and 2?

I just want to know whether the events of T4 will lead directly to Kyle Reese being sent back to Sarah Connor and having T1 happen then. I.E. chronologically you would watch T4 before T1. It seems to me that if T4 follows the T1/T2 timeline, then it's not truly a "prequel" to T1."
It is both a prequal and sequal. It is a prequel in the future sense. Anything that has to deal with the future (that took place in 2029, T1 and T2), T4 is a prequel because it takes place before all that.

But everything that has happened in the past (1984-1994, T1 and T2 present) it is a sequel because it is happening after the fact.
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JunkMale
JunkMale
12. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 6:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 6:00 PM EDT
"Michael Ironside is in this movie as a general. ahahha he is an asshole in just about every role he plays ahah. He was in Total Recall, Starship troopers, Free Willy. "
Michael Ironside is awesome as any gruff character. He seems like he would be a great fit for a post-apocalyptic Terminator universe.
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Arbalest
Arbalest
13. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 6:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 6:00 PM EDT
John being a captain is something I can see at this point. No one, savior or no savior, is going to be given the title of general at the age of thirty. Makes you wonder if the eight-year gap in age will affect TSCC John's standing with the Resistance.
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JunkMale
JunkMale
14. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 6:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 6:03 PM EDT
"It is both a prequal and sequal. It is a prequel in the future sense. Anything that has to deal with the future (that took place in 2029, T1 and T2), T4 is a prequel because it takes place before all that.

But everything that has happened in the past (1984-1994, T1 and T2 present) it is a sequel because it is happening after the fact. "
Oh okay, I get the deal with the whole prequel-and-sequel-at-the-same-time. It takes place in 2018, so all the "present" scenes in T1 and T2 have happened. But all the "future" scenes in them have not.

So John has in fact been raised by the Sarah Connor who had Arnold trying to kill her in 1984.

Okay, I think I got it now.
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Turncoat
Turncoat
15. RE: T4 - Captain Connor
Oct 20 2008, 6:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 6:09 PM EDT
"John being a captain is something I can see at this point. No one, savior or no savior, is going to be given the title of general at the age of thirty. Makes you wonder if the eight-year gap in age will affect TSCC John's standing with the Resistance."
this is what i'm saying (nods with a mock serious look).
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