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Thecolours
Thecolours
20. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Nov 11 2008, 12:02 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 12:02 AM EST
Dan (Writer) re: the rounds in the shotgun, our resident experts on that stuff are Ash Miller and Zack Stentz. They researched it and it's a special round with a depleted uranium core. They actually exist Do you find this valuable?    
Thecolours
Thecolours
21. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Nov 11 2008, 12:03 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 12:03 AM EST
"Dan (Writer) re: the rounds in the shotgun, our resident experts on that stuff are Ash Miller and Zack Stentz. They researched it and it's a special round with a depleted uranium core. They actually exist"
It's very time consuming to explain every llittle detail. Especially when you have such a complex story to tell in 44 minutes.
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Atlas98
Atlas98
22. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Nov 11 2008, 1:31 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 11 2008, 1:31 AM EST
"Dan (Writer) re: the rounds in the shotgun, our resident experts on that stuff are Ash Miller and Zack Stentz. They researched it and it's a special round with a depleted uranium core. They actually exist"
Didn't know of that type of shotgun round...THAT'S how Cromarties face & endo-skull
were blown in half...DAMN!

Well,goes to show you learn new things every day.
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SamStaurophobia
23. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Nov 18 2008, 6:40 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2008, 6:40 PM EST
"The T888 were made of coltan not because it's denser but because it's more heat resistant (I think Cameron made that point in "Heavy Metal.") If I'm not mistaken, the T101 series was made of titanium alloy that I'd assume is much stronger. Just a guess on my part but it could explain why "Uncle Bob" could take more punishment. If you recall at the end of T2, he was destroyed in a lava-like, molten metal substance which could have been the impetus behind switching to coltan and it would explain why the Connor's shells can penetrate the Termies in T:TSCC more effectively than the Termies in the movies.

Just a theory."
Yes, but then again, does Thermite not burn at a lower temperature than molten steal? If so, your theory wouldn't make a lot of sense, considering Thermite is used to dispose of the endoskeletons.
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SamStaurophobia
24. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Nov 18 2008, 6:44 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2008, 6:44 PM EST
"http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=981503

exotic shotgun ammo"
I'm guessing the mini missile or napalm rounds, then. Hell, they're even located in California, right in the Connors' back yard, effectively.
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LarryDAB
25. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Nov 18 2008, 6:50 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2008, 6:50 PM EST
"Dan (Writer) re: the rounds in the shotgun, our resident experts on that stuff are Ash Miller and Zack Stentz. They researched it and it's a special round with a depleted uranium core. They actually exist"
Saboted armor piercing 12 gauge 3" magnum rounds have been commercially available for at least eleven years. They employ a very hard and dense Tungsten dart that is more then sufficient to take out the the Coltan based Tantalum alloy reportedly used to construct terminators. Hardened Tungsten is close enough to depleted uranium where there would be little difference. The primary factor is that depleted uranium ordinance is ONLY available to the military and not accessible to civilians. However, you can buy Tungsten alloy saboted ammunition right now.


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Xynoxx
26. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Dec 7 2008, 4:28 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 7 2008, 4:28 PM EST
There was information on the rounds in the shotgun. It *was* depleted uranium.

Doubters check this thread:

: Episode 8 | Mr. Ferguson is Ill Today -frrst post, second page
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Xynoxx
27. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Dec 7 2008, 4:31 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 7 2008, 4:31 PM EST
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General_Mazaki
General_Mazaki
28. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Dec 7 2008, 4:35 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 7 2008, 4:35 PM EST
"I hate to nitpick, it was a fantastic episode after all, but i thought terminators where built to resist small arms fire. all I recall seeing was sarah and derek with submachine guns and cameron with a shotgun. uncle bob in T2 survived alot more firepower. "
Depleted Uranium Slugs were used in that shotgun. Its like a miniature 120mm high explosive round used in the M1A2 Abrams Tank.

With Derek and Sarah comprimising Cromartie's structural integrity, Cameron came in and finished him off, hitting him in the most vulnerable part; the head.
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KrelleK
29. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Dec 8 2008, 9:41 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 8 2008, 9:41 AM EST
"Saboted armor piercing 12 gauge 3" magnum rounds have been commercially available for at least eleven years. They employ a very hard and dense Tungsten dart that is more then sufficient to take out the the Coltan based Tantalum alloy reportedly used to construct terminators. Hardened Tungsten is close enough to depleted uranium where there would be little difference. The primary factor is that depleted uranium ordinance is ONLY available to the military and not accessible to civilians. However, you can buy Tungsten alloy saboted ammunition right now.


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just wondering, if Depleted Uranium, and Tungsten is so close to each other in density why do the milltary not just use Tungsten, I mean is depleted Uranium not radio active? maybenot dangerously so, if you are around in short time, but to prolonged exposier they can lead to cancer
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General_Mazaki
General_Mazaki
30. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Dec 8 2008, 9:58 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 8 2008, 9:58 AM EST
"just wondering, if Depleted Uranium, and Tungsten is so close to each other in density why do the milltary not just use Tungsten, I mean is depleted Uranium not radio active? maybenot dangerously so, if you are around in short time, but to prolonged exposier they can lead to cancer"
Depleted Uranium rounds have a much more significant punch over Tungsten. It's much heavier and volatile.

Why else would they use these kind of rounds in the most advanced and powerful tank on the planet? (M1A2 Abrams)
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akatona
akatona
31. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Dec 8 2008, 12:35 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 8 2008, 12:35 PM EST
Now, to come to the point, givern that Cromartie's head was made of coltan which cannot be melted at normal temperature of 1600 degrees, coltan is obviously a lot more resilient in that respect which means it is harder at the same time (coltan is probably a titanum enriched steel alloy). Given the circular shape of the head which gives it stiffness and the biggest resistance moment possible, it is highly ulikely that bullets could penetrate it, regardless of what they're made of. If coltan is anything like steel composite I mentioned, only much harder, it would be virtually undestructible, and Cromartiie would be alive and kicking... That's it, I rest my case:) Do you find this valuable?    
Meat_Cutter
Meat_Cutter
32. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Dec 8 2008, 1:26 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 8 2008, 1:26 PM EST
"I may have the answer for how the shotgun shells blew away Cromartie's face.

The answer is explosive bullets. Explosive bullets carry an explosive charge that explodes on contact with the target. This can explain how Cromartie was losing pieces of his metal endoskeletion, but the writers are really stretching the truth about explosive bullets."
These shells would do exactly what you describe, and exist currently.

Description: FRAG-12 rounds are made up of a standard
3 inch 12-gauge cartridge case and propellant, firing a finstabilized
19mm warhead with a MIL-SPEC 1316 compliant
fuze assembly. The projectile is designed to arm 3 meters
from the muzzle and fires upon impact with a surface. The
HE projectile has sufficient explosive power to make one
inch holes in ¼ inch cold rolled steel plate. The maximum
effective range for this round is claimed to be 200m, which
would be a significant improvement for the effective
range of a standard shotgun. The round is designed to
allow the operation of gas-operated and recoil-operated
semiautomatic shotguns. The armor-piercing projectile is
a shaped charge design and is designed to penetrate ½
inch of steel armor. The main reason for experimentation is
to examine these rounds as potential improvements to the
combat effectiveness of shotguns in urban areas, using
shotguns for stopping vehicles at roadblocks and
checkpoints, barricade attack, and remote probing of
potential Improvised Explosive Devices (IED).

http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/FRAG%2012.pdf
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CuthbertAllgood
CuthbertAllgood
33. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Dec 8 2008, 2:58 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 8 2008, 2:58 PM EST
"Depleted Uranium rounds have a much more significant punch over Tungsten. It's much heavier and volatile.

Why else would they use these kind of rounds in the most advanced and powerful tank on the planet? (M1A2 Abrams)"
No, tungsten is better but much more expensive.

They cannot afford it.
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MyImmortal
MyImmortal
34. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Dec 8 2008, 3:11 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 8 2008, 3:11 PM EST
"Depleted Uranium rounds have a much more significant punch over Tungsten. It's much heavier and volatile.

Why else would they use these kind of rounds in the most advanced and powerful tank on the planet? (M1A2 Abrams)"
And the Abrams belongs to what military? The US baby woot woot!!
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Mwolfe1
35. RE: not sure how they killed cromartie
Dec 8 2008, 5:55 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 8 2008, 5:55 PM EST
"No, tungsten is better but much more expensive.

They cannot afford it."
No it's not better then DU by any stretch of the imagination, and nor is tungsten close enough that it makes little difference.
the research done here is very poor at best.
Case in point the German L55 cannon on their latest Leopard MBTs HAD to be lengthened to give their DM53 tungsten penetrators similar penetration capabilites as our M829 DU pentrators do out of the L44 cannon that has a lower velocity.
DU penetrators are not only incredibly dense they are also pyrophoric,when it impacts the DU round will not only punch it's way through but it will be now also be hot enough to melt the impacted metal (melts titanium fairly nicely).
This also causes the DU round to be self sharpening while penetrating, it also starts spewing dusted fragments of depleted uranium all over the place, contaminating everything and everyone around it.
That skull and everything inside of it is not salvageable due to the molten spalling during penetration and the "skin" of the terminator is not only severly burnt but the whole body is contaminated, traceable and will be setting off detectors like a fireworks display.
Those so called "experts" seemed to forget to tell the writers about the DU "dust" contamination fact, that now the cast who were anywhere near the body while moving it and burying it is now contaminated, not only externally but internally as well (breathed it in) as is the trunk of Ellisons car.
The damage of the terminators head is all wrong for DU impact anyways, it looks like it was hit by a HE round more then any penetrator of any caliber and we haven't taken the Frag-12 out of the SDD phase of testing yet so there's no way in hell they got their hands on any of those (not to mention on the wrong side of the country to begin with) and the last few rounds would not have detonated as Cameron was too close for the rounds to arm themselves.
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