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CadreOfCows |
I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 3:12 PM EST
Maybe I'm just being a perv here (say so if you think that's the case) - but did anyone else pick up an unspoken "If I can feel the cool air blowing on my pretty, healthy bare feet - then doesn't that make you curious as to what and where else I can feel pleasant sensations? Wouldn't you like to help me find out?" vibe from Cameron to John during that conversation?Unfortunately, John yet again seemed oblivious to the fact that his pet femmebot was giving him the come-on. 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you?
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XAnGeLiCDiAbLoX |
1. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 3:54 PM EST
"Maybe I'm just being a perv here (say so if you think that's the case) - but did anyone else pick up an unspoken "If I can feel the cool air blowing on my pretty, healthy bare feet - then doesn't that make you curious as to what and where else I can feel pleasant sensations? Wouldn't you like to help me find out?" vibe from Cameron to John during that conversation?Hahaa yeah i think that's where this is heading but their most likely gonna really stretch out this storyline till the end of the season. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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CadreOfCows |
2. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:00 PM EST
"Hahaa yeah i think that's where this is heading but their most likely gonna really stretch out this storyline till the end of the season. "Scary robot? Horny/slutty robot, more like... ;) 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Neilis |
3. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:02 PM EST
"Unfortunately, John yet again seemed oblivious to the fact that his pet femmebot was giving him the come-on."I don't think John is obvlivious to that occurence or the previous one. He simply recognizes it as an attempt at manipulation and ignores it. Despite his current emo rampage he's going through, he's still smart enough to realize that when an emotionless robot starts "giving him the come-on" that there's some other ulterior motive. He even berrated himself for not noticing it in the pilot. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
IvyMike |
4. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:04 PM EST
"Maybe I'm just being a perv here (say so if you think that's the case) - but did anyone else pick up an unspoken "If I can feel the cool air blowing on my pretty, healthy bare feet - then doesn't that make you curious as to what and where else I can feel pleasant sensations? Wouldn't you like to help me find out?" vibe from Cameron to John during that conversation?Maybe we are just dirty old men Cadre ;- ) but I thought the same. Cameron was initially oblivious to the power and influence of her sexuality but she is gaining an understanding, and she is trying to use it to manipulate John into accepting her and therefore accepting his fate as Future leader. She's realised she overdid it a bit in the bedroom, but now she's gone too far in the opposite direction... Do you find this valuable? |
HK103 |
5. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:10 PM EST
"I don't think John is obvlivious to that occurence or the previous one. He simply recognizes it as an attempt at manipulation and ignores it. Despite his current emo rampage he's going through, he's still smart enough to realize that when an emotionless robot starts "giving him the come-on" that there's some other ulterior motive. He even berrated himself for not noticing it in the pilot."I think John is much more complicated than that. I think he's afraid of his feelings for her after she used his feelings against him in the premier but at the same time a part of him wants to believe she's different. Hence there is always duality in his reactions to her. He consciously attempts to keep his distance but her presents still has an effect on him 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
planetxan |
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Nov 18 2008, 4:14 PM EST
I think Cameron is more complicated than that. Why is she smiling? And listening to music? And talking to Derek like a brat? I was laughing out loud at that. But I don't think she is, or is capable of getting randy. Wishful thinking, but it makes even less sense then all the weird things she does and says.
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7. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:18 PM EST
She did seem very different in that scene, not just what she said, but how she said it. The tone of her voice was less like her normal robot tone and sounded more human than ever before (except for the pilot).
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Neilis |
8. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:19 PM EST
"I think Cameron is more complicated than that. Why is she smiling? And listening to music? And talking to Derek like a brat? I was laughing out loud at that. But I don't think she is, or is capable of getting randy. Wishful thinking, but it makes even less sense then all the weird things she does and says."I'm quite the opposite. I think she's quite capable of having sex, but it's the emotion part that she's incapable of. Cameron noticed that her little ruse to get rid of Riley last week didn't work. John perceives her as a robot and hence isn't going to give her the time of day (and she only wants that so he'll get rid of Riley becuase she feels she's a security risk). Ergo, Cameron turns on "peronality mode" which she already used for example in the pilot. She starts smiling, acting bratting on the phone, and acting flirty, in an attempt to get John to think of her more humanly. NOT out of desire to be human or act so though, but merely as a way of increasing her influence over John. To be blunt, Cameron would bang John in a heartbeat if it would mean him tossing Riley to the curb. It just has nothing to do with romance and everything to do with mission security. 11 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you? |
santose2008 |
9. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:25 PM EST
"I think Cameron is more complicated than that. Why is she smiling? And listening to music? And talking to Derek like a brat? I was laughing out loud at that. But I don't think she is, or is capable of getting randy. Wishful thinking, but it makes even less sense then all the weird things she does and says."I notice that too about Cameron and Derek. She was acting like a brat in this episode. I thought it was pretty funny how she made him call her back. Cameron is such a hoot to watch. I only just watch the show because of her and Sarah. They are just funny together. Do you find this valuable? |
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XAnGeLiCDiAbLoX |
10. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:26 PM EST
"Scary robot? Horny/slutty robot, more like... ;)"HAHAAAAA!!!!! As of late, it def. seems that way. Cam's an undercover freaky deak. hehe Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:32 PM EST
am I the only one who noticed the subtly wistful way John said "...through your hair..." when referring to her feeling sensation? He said it full of longing like...*I know what your hair feels like and god, I'd love to be that wind going through it...* lol that's what i heard anyway. Dekker doesn't just "say" lines. there's always something about his tone in certain scenes that betrays what he's thinking, and this is one of those scenes. for sure.
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Prince_Xenu |
12. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:34 PM EST
"am I the only one who noticed the subtly wistful way John said "...through your hair..." when referring to her feeling sensation? He said it full of longing like...*I know what your hair feels like and god, I'd love to be that wind going through it...* lol that's what i heard anyway. Dekker doesn't just "say" lines. there's always something about his tone in certain scenes that betrays what he's thinking, and this is one of those scenes. for sure."On a related note, are you planning on writing a chapter 10 Luckii? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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IvyMike |
13. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:35 PM EST
"am I the only one who noticed the subtly wistful way John said "...through your hair..." when referring to her feeling sensation? He said it full of longing like...*I know what your hair feels like and god, I'd love to be that wind going through it...* lol that's what i heard anyway. Dekker doesn't just "say" lines. there's always something about his tone in certain scenes that betrays what he's thinking, and this is one of those scenes. for sure."Oh yes, that too... the sexual tension is just crackling through the air like the sparks around a time bubble... 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DavidB1111 |
14. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't feel.
Nov 18 2008, 4:44 PM EST
What, Diablo?Anyhow, she is definitively capable of having sex. There is no doubt to that. See Vick. :) Oh, and John probably didn't notice what she was saying without speaking . Do you find this valuable? |
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sugaki |
15. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't f
Nov 18 2008, 4:49 PM EST
Ugh too much pervy-ness in this thread. Why must every nuance and word imply cyborg sex? Take a cold shower or something.I think Cameron is being truthful in her saying that she feels, and that she wouldn't be worth much if she didn't. Why else would she cry when she was taking on the persona of Allison--it didn't advance the mission at all. She's made to feel, to emulate humans more closely. That said, she's also made to deceive, and fake emotions to advance the mission. The thing is, it's hard/impossible to know when she's being truthful and manipulative, hence John's aversion towards her. Her motives as to getting close to John are ambiguous. It could be for the sake of the mission, it could be her affinity to John, it could be both. John on the other hand is weary and attracted to her at the same time. I think the key development with their relationship is that Cameron is almost always right: 1) She was right to kill that old guy from Mexico, who was a mole 2) She was right into thinking that everyone must be killed in the bowling alley, or else Chromartie would track them down 3) She was right when insisting agent Ellison was lying. I think slowly and slowly, John will realize that Cameron is the most trustworthy, and that the humans are the ones that are unreliable. That would explain why Cameron had access to the retinal scanner in the future, and why she was within future John's inner circle. That explains why John uses so many reprogrammed Terminators, much to the chagrin of the human members of the resistance. 11 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LarryDAB |
16. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't f
Nov 18 2008, 4:53 PM EST
"Scary robot? Horny/slutty robot, more like... ;)"A woman being provocative does not make her either horny or slutty. I don't see woman in that way, no more then a woman sees a man as being horny and slutty because he has the good sense to shave and shower and not dress like a toad. This is nothing but part of the allure of women that I find so fascinating and attractive. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DavidB1111 |
17. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't f
Nov 18 2008, 4:56 PM EST
Heh, good point Larry, also, very good point sugaki!Now, let's all get along, or I shoot people. :) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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IvyMike |
18. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't f
Nov 18 2008, 5:17 PM EST
I think Cameron is more developed than she's letting on. She remains coldly Terminator-like with Sarah, she's drip-feeding John but trying to avoid freaking him out, but she is at her most "human" with Derek, with whom she doesn't even bother trying to maintain a pretense.There was of course the "I can't let anything happen to him" at the police station, she was distracted and let her guard down and may not even have realised she said it out loud, but earlier at Derek's arms cache she briefly acts and sounds completely human: "You didn't have a room at the last house". I don't think that is a slip on the part of an actor of Summer's calibre and discipline. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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CadreOfCows |
19. RE: I have sensation. I feel. I wouldn't be worth much if I couldn't f
Nov 18 2008, 5:24 PM EST
Another thought on the matter.Cameron actually meant "I wouldn't be worth much (to you - as your future concubine) if I couldn't feel". 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
