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franktie
Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 8:02 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 8:02 AM EST
I am a big fan of the show, but I wonder if mankind can actually survive/overcome a real life scenario where skynet/terminators take over. As a human, I'd like to think we are clever and resilient enough to defend ourselves, but we're pretty fragile organic creatures that need food (where would we grow the food?) and can succumb to biological/chemical/nuclear agents.

Frank
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Prez270
Prez270
1. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 8:07 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 8:07 AM EST
Humans are doomed to extinction, not because of Skynet, but because, in the words of the immortal uncle Bob, it is in our nature to destroy ourselves. Skynet is just speeding up the process. Do you find this valuable?    

KrelleK
2. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 8:16 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 8:16 AM EST
"I am a big fan of the show, but I wonder if mankind can actually survive/overcome a real life scenario where skynet/terminators take over. As a human, I'd like to think we are clever and resilient enough to defend ourselves, but we're pretty fragile organic creatures that need food (where would we grow the food?) and can succumb to biological/chemical/nuclear agents.

Frank "
well that is of cause the great question, but what we do know is that we are clever, like in saving private ryan, at timee they were to fight against tanks, but they did not have any bazooka´s or something like that, so they get the idea to make a sticky bomb, but this time with thermite, lets say they start with that and perhaps some like civil grade weaponry, then i guess it might be a very hard battle and a lot would be killed, but to some degree i think it is possible, and it helps, atleast i think it does to some degree, that they would be fighting the T1éns first, yeah maybe the little idea they used in the Kevin costner Robin Hood, with making a hole to role into, and make a clap fall down to hide the person, then perhaps T´s will maybe just role past it, especially if the make something behind lines the lines a juicy target, then person could stick and arm out and throw it the stickybomb, the casing and then hide again.
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LarryDAB
3. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skyn
Nov 21 2008, 8:34 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 8:34 AM EST
"I am a big fan of the show, but I wonder if mankind can actually survive/overcome a real life scenario where skynet/terminators take over. As a human, I'd like to think we are clever and resilient enough to defend ourselves, but we're pretty fragile organic creatures that need food (where would we grow the food?) and can succumb to biological/chemical/nuclear agents.


Frank "
There is no doubt that mankind would sooner rather then later defeat a takeover and attack by Skynet.

The day after the bombs fall, surviving humans would immediately disable the remaining computer base infrastructure. There are no legions of terminators to stop the survivors. Skynet is essentially housed with military complexes. The "machines" obviously can't nuke themselves. The complexes are "infested" with humans who will also survive in an area that is not a target.

If Judgment Day was far enough into the future where hoards of mobile service robots existed, then they would have a shot. This is simply a hole in the plot of the original Terminator movie. But who cares, we can just let it slide and enjoy the franchise including TSCC.

I am a big fan of the show, but I wonder if mankind can actually survive/overcome a real life scenario where skynet/terminators take over. As a human, I'd like to think we are clever and resilient enough to defend ourselves, but we're pretty fragile organic creatures that need food (where would we grow the food?) and can succumb to biological/chemical/nuclear agents.

BTW, the writers have it wrong. Doomsday is

"The Mayan calendar is divided into Seven Ages of Man. The fourth epoch ended in August 1987. The Mayan calendar comes to an end on Sunday, December 23, 2012 http://www.greatdreams.com/end-world.htm
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Shadoware
Shadoware
4. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 10:35 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 10:35 AM EST
Machines can have better capabilities than humans in many aspects, such as power, force, speed, precision, reflexes etc. If we some day create machines that unites men's and machine'ss best features, we would create something beyond human kind, and if there was a war, this war would end in a very short time. We really wouldn't stand a chance!!!!! Do you find this valuable?    

Veran
5. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 10:59 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 10:59 AM EST
"Machines can have better capabilities than humans in many aspects, such as power, force, speed, precision, reflexes etc. If we some day create machines that unites men's and machine'ss best features, we would create something beyond human kind, and if there was a war, this war would end in a very short time. We really wouldn't stand a chance!!!!!"
Mankind never stood a chance against Skynet, but John Connor changed that.
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MetalHunter
6. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 11:45 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 11:45 AM EST
" Machines can have better capabilities than humans in many aspects, such as power, force, speed, precision, reflexes etc. If we some day create machines that unites men's and machine'ss best features, we would create something beyond human kind, and if there was a war, this war would end in a very short time. We really wouldn't stand a chance!!!!!"
I'm totally agree!

The Biggest Nonsense in the History of Mankind is to use intelligent machines in the Army and they have the Power To Decide! Because these machines thinking, and you can not be sure that their thoughts are like the human!

I watch with sadness: it is assumed that in 15-18 years will be able to build "neural network processor" with human intelligence. You know that the first applications have been found for them? 15 years before they exist?

That: Provide all Military Command Centers with intelligent computers and building an army of cybernetic soldiers! Why? "Because they have a greater efficiency than men."

You're familiar? Like Skynet and his Terminators?

If this would happen, we deserve fate!
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ShiningPathofLight
ShiningPathofLight
7. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 12:01 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 12:01 PM EST
"where would we grow the food?

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There would probably be enough left over canned food to feed everybody for a few years and people would start to live on what they could find, like we saw in T1 when a teenager killed a rat and showed it off to his buddies. At some point, you would think that Tech Com has Skynet's forces somewhat contained and areas away from the major battle grounds like Los Angeles could be used for farming, if it were safe to plant stuff in the soil that is.
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MetalHunter
8. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 12:10 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 12:10 PM EST
"Mankind never stood a chance against Skynet, but John Connor changed that."
Come on!

During that take a decision John, Skynet has time to think millions of variations!

For John, the loss of a soldier recovered in 20 years? For Skynet, the loss of a thousand times more efficiently "soldier" is recovered in a few minutes?

Resistance will be hunted like rats!

John has a single chance to survive: to be near him someone who is smart like a sentient machine's Skynet; that may have a tactical advantage. Maybe... Cameron?
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franktie
9. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 12:56 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 12:56 PM EST
"There would probably be enough left over canned food to feed everybody for a few years and people would start to live on what they could find, like we saw in T1 when a teenager killed a rat and showed it off to his buddies. At some point, you would think that Tech Com has Skynet's forces somewhat contained and areas away from the major battle grounds like Los Angeles could be used for farming, if it were safe to plant stuff in the soil that is."
Yeah the war would then become a war of attrition. Human and their food vs Metal and their resources. I feel like food would run out first.

Frank
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EuphoricAgony
10. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 1:56 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 1:56 PM EST
The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto of Poland kept a far bigger better trained and equipped force at bay for a short while.

Humans can think on their feet much faster than the T-100,T101,T-1000,T-888, or even TX.

We can think of ways to accomplish problems much faster than machines so that is our advantage.

If it doesn't work for you a Dead Terminator is a Good Terminator!
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MetalHunter
11. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 2:03 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 2:03 PM EST
"The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto of Poland kept a far bigger better trained and equipped force at bay for a short while.

Humans can think on their feet much faster than the T-100,T101,T-1000,T-888, or even TX.

We can think of ways to accomplish problems much faster than machines so that is our advantage.

If it doesn't work for you a Dead Terminator is a Good Terminator!"
Well understood, it is your right to Die Like a Man! That happened then, right?

Also, if it comes to the survival of your species, however, is not a good idea, right?
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Madmachine
Madmachine
12. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 2:04 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 2:04 PM EST
"I am a big fan of the show, but I wonder if mankind can actually survive/overcome a real life scenario where skynet/terminators take over. As a human, I'd like to think we are clever and resilient enough to defend ourselves, but we're pretty fragile organic creatures that need food (where would we grow the food?) and can succumb to biological/chemical/nuclear agents.

Frank "
Mankind would survive, but not necessarly in the United States. If there were a nuclear war the main targets would be the US, Russia, China, and Europe. South America, Africa, and Australia would probably not be hit directly, but would suffer from the fallout. Australia would probably recieve the least amount of fallout. The people in those areas would be the most likely to survive Judgement Day.
Americans would not fair well on Judgement Day because about 70% of the country would either be hit directly or receive fallout. Not all nukes targeted at the US would make it through however. SKYNET would make sure that any missles targeting it or any facility under it's control would be intercepted by our missle defence system.
After that, the future would be bleak for mankind, but not hopeless. The reason SKYNET creates the terminators is because the nukes won't kill everyone off. Survivors will hide in the ruins of cities, deep in jungles, or any other place that would give them shelter from the machines. SKYNET's goal is to exterminate all humans, but it can't do that everywhere at once. Because SKYNET's core is in the US, survivors in America are a greater threat to it than survivors elswhere. Therefor SKYNET will focus on eradicating humans in the US before moving on to other countries. That won't help out us Americans, but it will give other countries a chance to prepare against SKYNET.
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TerminTatorTot
TerminTatorTot
13. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 3:08 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 3:08 PM EST
The futility of the Connor gang running around trying to stamp out technology leading to Skynet will be solved by the writers when they enlist Catherine Weaver to fight Terminators with lots of better Terminators. I think the writers see they need to expand the strategy to keep things interesting. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

franktie
14. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 3:14 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 3:14 PM EST
"The futility of the Connor gang running around trying to stamp out technology leading to Skynet will be solved by the writers when they enlist Catherine Weaver to fight Terminators with lots of better Terminators. I think the writers see they need to expand the strategy to keep things interesting."
EMP shockwave. you know what I'm talking about :P

Frank
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Shadoware
Shadoware
15. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 6:26 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 6:26 PM EST
We dont know exactly how far technology can go in simulating intelligence.
I think skynet in the movies is not so inteligent compared to humans, but if a war like that really happens, the only hope is Jesus Christ coming over the clouds with power and great glory! Nothing else! Otherwise humanity would end in a couple of weeks without the need of nuclear weapons!
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T-1976
T-1976
16. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 21 2008, 6:52 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 21 2008, 6:52 PM EST
Hopefully not....

I hope Skynet kills them all.
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EuphoricAgony
17. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 25 2008, 11:16 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2008, 11:16 AM EST
"Hopefully not....

I hope Skynet kills them all. "
Man is not faster,stronger,or as numerous but we always seem to be able to solve the problems before us. I have used the Warsaw Ghetto incident from WWII as an example of superior in number/training advisary being unable to win without bombing the Ghetto flat.

If it doesn't work for you a Good Terminator is a Dead One!

P.S Shadoware you are the right track!
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kymeric
kymeric
18. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 25 2008, 3:40 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2008, 3:40 PM EST
"We dont know exactly how far technology can go in simulating intelligence.
I think skynet in the movies is not so inteligent compared to humans, but if a war like that really happens, the only hope is Jesus Christ coming over the clouds with power and great glory! Nothing else! Otherwise humanity would end in a couple of weeks without the need of nuclear weapons!"
Lol, jesus dosent stop bullets. XD
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Eten
19. RE: Realistically speaking do humans really have a chance against skynet?
Nov 25 2008, 3:58 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 25 2008, 3:58 PM EST
It would only take a couple of years for plant life to grow back after a massive nuclear weapon exchange. Humans are on the top of a very large, complex food chain- a couple things in that food chain can be destroyed, and we'll still be more than okay. We only have to feed ourselves through mass agriculture and whatnot because of the industrial structure of society and the industrial society level of population. Finding food would not be the major challenge for the survivor's of mankind following a massive nuclear weapon's exchange. The fact that industrial society had broken down, however, would greatly hurt the infrastructure that something like a military self-defense network AI would rely on. Think of how Skynet sent back a Terminator to stockpile coltan for it's future operations.

So while humans would have a very expensive resource- humans themselves(as the pilot is always the most expensive loss in a military plane crash, and not just for the sentimental value), the robot's advantage of manufacturing their soldier's is not as great as you might initially assume.
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