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Prince_Xenu |
Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 9:39 PM EST
"He wasn't talking about you any more. Just her. He's making questionable decisions, getting people killed. Good people. She's taken over. Its sick, is what it is."Anti-shippers, eat crow. John and Cameron are very obviously a couple in the future. 12 out of 21 found this valuable. Do you?
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Caesis |
1. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 9:41 PM EST
So ... in your theory, Jesse came back when the Cameron effect had taken place?
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Prince_Xenu |
2. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 9:41 PM EST
"So ... in your theory, Jesse came back when the Cameron effect had taken place?"Yes. Jesse is conspiring with Riley to keep John and Cameron apart. If not for Riley, they probably would have their peace by now. 4 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 9:46 PM EST
Hmm. So in theory: Cameron will remain completely loyal to John, and fight skynet. Some resitance fighters, such as Jesse, do not like a machine having more influence to John than they do. Thus this little thought by Jesse, and maybe others: "If we kill Cameron back when she started, we will win AND less people will die." 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 9:51 PM EST
Machines generally make more logical sense it makes more sense to have Cameron's input on John's decisions. In war there are always casualties (Yes I quote Spike from Buffy)
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Prince_Xenu |
5. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 9:55 PM EST
"Machines generally make more logical sense it makes more sense to have Cameron's input on John's decisions. In war there are always casualties (Yes I quote Spike from Buffy) "I would agree. It may be ironic, but Cameron would probably make better decisions than most humans in her place. 6 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 9:58 PM EST
If this initiative to remove Cameron is successful, (yeah, that's gonna happen...), it has massive potential to backfire - Cameron could be (at least partially) responsible for significant portions of John's success as a leader and especially his ability to interact with and reprogram the machines. Having her around might be unnerving and irritating to certain soldiers in the future, but completely removing her influence on John could turn out to have catastrophic consequences.
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7. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 10:02 PM EST
"Machines generally make more logical sense it makes more sense to have Cameron's input on John's decisions. In war there are always casualties (Yes I quote Spike from Buffy) "Didn't Weaver say something like that? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 10:23 PM EST
Jesse's words didn't bring me any comfort. It just proved how misguided by the entire war she is, even moreso then Derek. She seems to be from a future even further advanced then Derek's, or at least where Cameron is more prominent then Derek and Kyle and the other resistence fighters. Maybe, in her future, John didn't bother to keep Cameron a secret, and the repercussions are causing revolt among the fighters. I just think that she's being very one-track minded about everything, and that she must understand that the war means lives are going to be lost. She just doesn't like the whole "Metal being close to our leader" mentality. She was hurt by a rogue reprogrammed term. No wonder she's so dead set against them. I think Jesse's viewpoint is terribly biased, and I hate to see Riley (a character I'm starting to feel sympathy for) being used simply to stop something that makes Jesse uncomfortable in the future. It's selfish, and as noodloid said, cutting Cam out of the equation might hurt John's leadership skills in the new future Jesse's apparently creating by forcing Riley.
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9. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 10:59 PM EST
"Jesse's words didn't bring me any comfort. It just proved how misguided by the entire war she is, even moreso then Derek. She seems to be from a future even further advanced then Derek's, or at least where Cameron is more prominent then Derek and Kyle and the other resistence fighters. Maybe, in her future, John didn't bother to keep Cameron a secret, and the repercussions are causing revolt among the fighters. I just think that she's being very one-track minded about everything, and that she must understand that the war means lives are going to be lost. She just doesn't like the whole "Metal being close to our leader" mentality. She was hurt by a rogue reprogrammed term. No wonder she's so dead set against them. I think Jesse's viewpoint is terribly biased, and I hate to see Riley (a character I'm starting to feel sympathy for) being used simply to stop something that makes Jesse uncomfortable in the future. It's selfish, and as noodloid said, cutting Cam out of the equation might hurt John's leadership skills in the new future Jesse's apparently creating by forcing Riley."i agree 100% with beckii. But also keep in mind that when all of this explodes jesse's plan might back fire and John might realise that cameron is the only person he can trust. 8 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 11:02 PM EST
"i agree 100% with beckii. But also keep in mind that when all of this explodes jesse's plan might back fire and John might realise that cameron is the only person he can trust."If I had to guess I'd say that's the most likely outcome. Jesse's scheming is going to result in the very thing she doesn't want, John and Cameron together against the world. 9 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 11:08 PM EST
"If I had to guess I'd say that's the most likely outcome. Jesse's scheming is going to result in the very thing she doesn't want, John and Cameron together against the world."i was going to say that she might trapped in paridox of jesse always going back bringing john and cameron together. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 11:10 PM EST
"If I had to guess I'd say that's the most likely outcome. Jesse's scheming is going to result in the very thing she doesn't want, John and Cameron together against the world."Exactly. It all goes on to the saying John made Kyle remember and tell Sarah..."The future is not set, there is no fate but what we make for ourselves". Every thing you do, actually causes the future. We've seen that in the past few episodes. Sarah leaves the kid alive and Cromartie finds them. John believes Ellison about Cromartie and Ellison later brings Cromartie to CW. Their action and inaction creates the future they are trying to avoid. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 24 2008, 11:53 PM EST
"If this initiative to remove Cameron is successful, (yeah, that's gonna happen...), it has massive potential to backfire - Cameron could be (at least partially) responsible for significant portions of John's success as a leader and especially his ability to interact with and reprogram the machines. Having her around might be unnerving and irritating to certain soldiers in the future, but completely removing her influence on John could turn out to have catastrophic consequences."Yes, we do know that by himself John is dumb as a rock. 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 25 2008, 12:10 AM EST
"Exactly. It all goes on to the saying John made Kyle remember and tell Sarah..."The future is not set, there is no fate but what we make for ourselves".And the big lol is Cameron advised or would have done things differently in both cases. On the surface it appears that Cameron has very good judgement if not leadership. However the eight-year-leap (minus leap days) was Cameron's idea to begin with. This makes me divided on the shipper thing. Cameron is an imprtant team player far beyond being the muscle. But I can definately see where the AntiCameron faction would arise. Jesse and Riley may have hijacted the time machine, then it was destroyed in the battle to stop them. Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 25 2008, 12:14 AM EST
"i agree 100% with beckii. But also keep in mind that when all of this explodes jesse's plan might back fire and John might realise that cameron is the only person he can trust." Pardon the show related pun, but the writing is on the wall. Do you find this valuable? |
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ositos |
16. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 25 2008, 12:56 AM EST
"The writers... ejem... writing has been on the wall since S02E02. Do you find this valuable? |
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Joped |
17. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 25 2008, 1:31 AM EST
The resistance at some point start to question John, war has causalities and that can cause people to turn if you make a small mistake. Jesse is a member of a group that doesn't trust John in the future. They want to destroy Cameron, pretty badly. Look at it from their point of view, is John trusting a machine ? Did he get "brain washed" into allowing it around, like a trick.2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 25 2008, 1:59 AM EST
"Cameron Running the Resistance "I sure hope so. We're much better off with her than this puny, whiny little punk JC..... Unless he grows up REALLY fast. I'd follow Cam's lead any day over him 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance
Nov 25 2008, 2:54 AM EST
bottom line that was our first real hint of a relationship between future John and Cameron. I for one am very happy about this. And Jesse can suck it.
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