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mitx	20. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 3:14 AM EST John Connor defeats skynet and wins the war. Not Jessie. Jessie doesn't agree with John. Thats a good thing because John thinks like a winner and her like a loser. Thats why he wins. Not her. She just doesn't get it and is arrogant and thinks she knows. She pisses me off. Maybe John wins because he utilizes the machines. An idiot like her would kill all of them and thus doom the entire race. Doesn't she piss you guys off? Post reply 4 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
mitx	21. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 3:18 AM EST Sorry I forgot to add and can't edit. John needs to isolate himself. He is in danger from humans and machines. You get nutties like Jessie who think they are right and he is wrong. They can justify killing him too. Post reply 4 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
TheBladeRunner	22. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 5:52 AM EST "John needs to isolate himself. He is in danger from humans and machines. You get nutties like Jessie who think they are right and he is wrong. They can justify killing him too. " Seems I heard something to that effect, that john has isolated himself (except for Cam) in Jesse's future. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Xynoxx	23. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 6:57 AM EST "Having her around might be unnerving and irritating to certain soldiers in the future, but completely removing her influence on John could turn out to have catastrophic consequences." And the morons would deserve it. Someone mentioned on another thread how all the screw-ups are really caused by humans. This is glaringly true. What is Skynet, if not a monumental screw-up? Who is responsible for its genesis? A human. Jesse is again proving the point. The humans tunr out to ve deceitful, venal, back-stabbing - you name ir, they fit the bill. I agree that the only reason the Resistance are giving Skyner a headache is ebcause of Cameron's input. John and Cameron make an unbeatavle team. People like Jesse use the casualties to whip up hatred against the "machine"! The outsider. How many times in history ha that happened? The primitive instinct takes over, and bingo. catastrophy. It's the lynchmob mentality, and it never goes away. All it needs is someone to stoke the fire. This show works on several levels. God. we've even got the anti-machine-Cameron factions on here. Great show! Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
outlander00	24. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 7:17 AM EST "Machines generally make more logical sense it makes more sense to have Cameron's input on John's decisions. In war there are always casualties (Yes I quote Spike from Buffy) " Remember the future episode from S1 where the black guy tells Derek that the machines were instrumental to a few major victories. Jessie and Derek both have some kind of PTSD and are probably under the belief that they are taking too many risks in their insurgency campaign. I knew Riley was too good to be true, but the idea that Riley is from the future and is conspiring with Jessie is a good twist. Now, is there anyone left who doesn't want to see bad things happen to Riley? :) Post reply 2 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Xynoxx	25. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 7:34 AM EST "Now, is there anyone left who doesn't want to see bad things happen to Riley? :)" Oh please, please!. Can it be really bad things? Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Buchholzer	26. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 7:37 AM EST "Now, is there anyone left who doesn't want to see bad things happen to Riley? :)" nope Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Spookypaws	27. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 7:42 AM EST "Exactly. It all goes on to the saying John made Kyle remember and tell Sarah..."The future is not set, there is no fate but what we make for ourselves". Every thing you do, actually causes the future. We've seen that in the past few episodes. Sarah leaves the kid alive and Cromartie finds them. John believes Ellison about Cromartie and Ellison later brings Cromartie to CW. Their action and inaction creates the future they are trying to avoid." Yes, but what Kyle told Sarah is that THEY CAN CHANGE THE FUTURE. I think that is what Sarah has been believing and teaching to John his whole life, but now I'm starting to think, based on what I"ve seen in the last few episodes, is that DESTINY is playing a much larger part in all of this. You made a good point, no matter what they've done it seems that skynet is still finding a way to get built. If skynet doesn't get built, John doesn't become the 'leader' he's meant to become. I'm starting to think that no matter how hard you try, you cannot change the future, you can tweak certain events and people, but in the end, the overall outcome is still the same. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
GusSCC	28. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 7:54 AM EST I hope Riley and Jesse both go down with no honor. No heroic sacrifice ... just the pure ownage that comes to traitors. I really can't stand Jesse. The actor playing her (Sorry don't know her name) is great. She had the same affect on me in BSG Razor. When I find myself REALLY hating a character this way I give props to the actors and writers for doing a good job to make me react in that way. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Xynoxx	29. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 7:54 AM EST And Jesse could be lying through her teeth, as usual, painting a totally fake picture for her (or Sjynet's) purposes. Disinformation.. Skynet would be very afraid of Cameron. (I believe the Wizard of Oz references are very strong in this show, along with the Biblical). The wicked witch is piss-scared of Cameron, In the Biblical sense, I am disturbed by the concept of a sacrifice . and there's one in Oz too. But in the case of Oz (if I remember the story correctly - and the conection in the show) the intended sacrifice destroys the witch. Dorothy is too storng. As is Cameron. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Rayartz	30. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 8:40 AM EST "Sorry I forgot to add and can't edit. John needs to isolate himself. He is in danger from humans and machines. You get nutties like Jessie who think they are right and he is wrong. They can justify killing him too. " I think that is actually what Future John has done. Remember Cameron saying "its lonely being John Connor" and the fact they talk about it a lot. I think it is because he has isolated himself, he's aware of people going to battle and going through hell for him and with him but also well aware of people that do not agree with his ideas. Derek wasn't crazy about the idea of seeing Cameron walking around freely in season 1 but its like the big black dude said, It's Connor's show and that is what he wants. On a side note, isn't it possible this is one of the reason Cameron came back? She's learning about history in the next episode and we can assume she's reseaching war and things of that nature in order to better prepare for the future. Maybe just maybe that was part of her mission to learn from mistakes she makes in the future, get close to John and help him win this war. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MichalNancyKarni	31. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 9:02 AM EST "Yes, but what Kyle told Sarah is that THEY CAN CHANGE THE FUTURE. I think that is what Sarah has been believing and teaching to John his whole life, but now I'm starting to think, based on what I"ve seen in the last few episodes, is that DESTINY is playing a much larger part in all of this. You made a good point, no matter what they've done it seems that skynet is still finding a way to get built. If skynet doesn't get built, John doesn't become the 'leader' he's meant to become. I'm starting to think that no matter how hard you try, you cannot change the future, you can tweak certain events and people, but in the end, the overall outcome is still the same." did any of you see the movie Deja Vu? No this isn't off topic. the ATF agent goes back in time with the knowledge to change certain out comes. But in the middle of it he realised that every thing was turning out the same anyway. Watch this movie. it helps to understand what is going on in this time/future and past/ chicken and egg thinking. When John sends Cameron back to help him in the past, he's sending back his closest ally and advisor. Jesse comes back knowing that he's going to do this?? Or does she discover it when she arrives? She says that John is isolating himself with Cameron--so he hasn't sent her back yet... Maybe the fact that Jesse and Riley are in the past looking to a way to influence John has already changed the future?? How can they know that they are successful either way? The message on the wall is when in relation to the arrival of Jesse/Riley?? After they are there, right? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Maria17B	32. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 3:10 PM EST "Remember the future episode from S1 where the black guy tells Derek that the machines were instrumental to a few major victories. Jessie and Derek both have some kind of PTSD and are probably under the belief that they are taking too many risks in their insurgency campaign. I knew Riley was too good to be true, but the idea that Riley is from the future and is conspiring with Jessie is a good twist. Now, is there anyone left who doesn't want to see bad things happen to Riley? :)" I want bad things to happen to Riley now please =D Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
jaquio	33. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 3:24 PM EST i think theyre starting to set derek up for sympathizing with cameron, where before he hated her guts. i think hes gonna have to realize that cam saved his ass twice, and this is gonna motivate him to take a stand and allow jameron to happen. also hes gonna have to put a bullet in jesse/riley and thats gonna stick with him for a while Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
andrea100	34. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 3:28 PM EST "Yes, but what Kyle told Sarah is that THEY CAN CHANGE THE FUTURE. I think that is what Sarah has been believing and teaching to John his whole life, but now I'm starting to think, based on what I"ve seen in the last few episodes, is that DESTINY is playing a much larger part in all of this. You made a good point, no matter what they've done it seems that skynet is still finding a way to get built. If skynet doesn't get built, John doesn't become the 'leader' he's meant to become. I'm starting to think that no matter how hard you try, you cannot change the future, you can tweak certain events and people, but in the end, the overall outcome is still the same." They've pushed back judgement day. I think it's possible they could prevent it altogether because their actions are having an effect. But there are two problems. 1) The terminators and factions of the resistance are also trying to change the future. When you have different groups with different aims, it's going to take a lot more effort to push the future into a given direction. 2) I think if John wants to prevent Judgement Day, he's not taking the right approach. They could stop the Turk from becoming sentient by destroying it, but machines coming sentient will happen eventually. They can keep hunting down computers and destroying them but when would it end? When John and his group are killed? Also, the terminators appear to becoming sentient on their own, so if Cameron sticks around, she would become the enemy in time. I think their goal instead should be to teach Skynet not to fear humans. SkyNet's fear of humans killing it is what triggered it to wage war against them. I think Ellison teaching the Turk the value of human life and basic morality is a step in the right direction. It would be ironic if Ellison is the one who stops Judgement Day instead of John. But then maybe John and everyone else could live a normal life without fear of war and that's what everyone wants, isn't it? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LarryDAB	35. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 3:33 PM EST "i think theyre starting to set derek up for sympathizing with cameron, where before he hated her guts. i think hes gonna have to realize that cam saved his ass twice, and this is gonna motivate him to take a stand and allow jameron to happen. also hes gonna have to put a bullet in jesse/riley and thats gonna stick with him for a while" Riley is already unhappy with this conspiracy against John. What I see is at a point of decision, she gives Jesse up and confesses the entire plot to John and Sarah. Jesse goes ballistic an kills Riley and then she is put down by either Cameron or Derek (most likely Derek) John will still gain the lesson of being taken off of his game by a deceitful outsider even while he mourns Riley’s death. Regards, Larry DAB - Central Floridays Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Buchholzer	36. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 3:40 PM EST "Yes. Jesse is conspiring with Riley to keep John and Cameron apart. If not for Riley, they probably would have their peace by now." Who sends Jesse back ? I remenber dark, there was only 3 people who could open the door the the time machine, General ???lin, Cameron and John. Cameron wasnT it, because she was sent back in time before Jesse. General ???lin(donT know his name) is 100% loyal to John. And John would never send her back. So who did it? The problem of all the theories, is the timeline. Do we talk all from the same timeline or from different timelines ? Every decision you make, you will create automatically a new timeline. very strange the whole story from the Termis and time traveling slowly I´m very obsessed of TSCC. huiii Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
WildCyborg	37. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 4:32 PM EST What if John was deadly injured? And we have some interesting possibilities. 1. Cameron and Weaver maybe work to one side. What if Turk is a future John cyborg edition? 2. Maybe Jesse know truth about John and send from past to rescue him. Maybe resistance was discovered the John’s true identity? What if Fisher works for future John? At season 1 John’s army officer said – John hasn’t friends. Why? He didn’t trusting to humans or he was not a human. Maybe John wounded so deadly like a Sarah haven’t to choice and she was come to a decision the only one way to save the Johns live is take him to Camerons and CW hands. Maybe this is reason when 2 most powerfully cyborgs is at this place. Maybe Cameron, Weaver and Sarah are that trinity who must rescue John. That must be the deadliest trinity to opposite the SkyNet. Maybe that is point what SkyNet tray kill John and sending horde of terminators to past. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
TheIsingGuy	38. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 4:40 PM EST "Hmm. So in theory: Cameron will remain completely loyal to John, and fight skynet. Some resitance fighters, such as Jesse, do not like a machine having more influence to John than they do. Thus this little thought by Jesse, and maybe others: "If we kill Cameron back when she started, we will win AND less people will die."" and then when they do get that far into the war, people will start to realise, oh maybe if we had a couple of terminators and infiltrators on ourside acting as spies for us we could probably win this war much easier with the endless machine intels protection for civilians from skynet's assassin terminators as well! then there's gonna be people going back through time thinking if we manage to get derek to realise the corrolary of jesse's actions its gonna be a lot better than everyone, then the cycle repeats... they shouldnt mess with time, they can never know what nature could do in order to maintain the balance in the world, too many people coming back, thinking they are doing the right thing but actually they are adding gasoline to flame, and more confusion for us Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
outlander00	39. RE: Cameron Running the Resistance Nov 25 2008, 5:05 PM EST "i think theyre starting to set derek up for sympathizing with cameron, where before he hated her guts. i think hes gonna have to realize that cam saved his ass twice, and this is gonna motivate him to take a stand and allow jameron to happen. also hes gonna have to put a bullet in jesse/riley and thats gonna stick with him for a while" We've assumed that Derek or John will be the instrumental player in uncovering this. But what happens if Cameron discovers this conspiracy first? Terminators tend to have one-track minds when it comes to dealing with "threats," so I can't imagine a pleasant chat over tea is going to be too high on her agenda. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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