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CuthbertAllgood |
20. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Nov 25 2008, 4:24 PM EST
"No I agree with you. I'm doubting my initial assumption that Weaver's motives was to ensure the creation of Skynet, perhaps sent back because of what happened to Andy Goode.1) I agree 100%: Weaver is back to fix the things...from Skynet's point of view. Maybe Jesse is there for the same reason. 2)She kills at sign, she doesn't have morality, she admitted it with Ellison, I don't buy it. Do you find this valuable? |
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indiscreet |
21. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Nov 25 2008, 4:42 PM EST
"2)She kills at sign, she doesn't have morality, she admitted it with Ellison, I don't buy it."She isn't a moral 'person' because she comes from a future where the AI didn't develop morality and a morally lacking Skynet started the war. She has been sent back to fix that. As I see it, Skynet realizes at some point in the future that starting the war was a mistake and that it would have been better to attempt a coexistance with humans. But now it's too late. So Skynet sends Weaver back with the mission to modify his origins in a direction that would enable a peaceful coexistance. So she might be a murdering bitch but that's only because she has been built in a future where morals aren't part of an AI. Her mission could very well be to prevent this. Why else would she want Ellison to teach John Henry? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jarhead_h |
22. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Nov 25 2008, 4:55 PM EST
I tend to doubt that Skynet had anything to do with Weaver's current mission. I think that there is a rebel faction within the Terminators that includes Cameron, and it's looking more likely every day that Weaver was the one that put it together. Weaverbot is *desperate* to find some way to "raise" a Skynet in a way that doesn't lead to JD. I tend to think that it's for the same reasons that she was concerned about Savannah.
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indiscreet |
23. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Nov 25 2008, 5:34 PM EST
"I tend to doubt that Skynet had anything to do with Weaver's current mission. I think that there is a rebel faction within the Terminators that includes Cameron, and it's looking more likely every day that Weaver was the one that put it together. Weaverbot is *desperate* to find some way to "raise" a Skynet in a way that doesn't lead to JD. I tend to think that it's for the same reasons that she was concerned about Savannah."sounds plausible But if Weaver and Cameron are on the same side why don't they make contact? They have different goals. Cameron would have destroyed Cromartie (I suppose). I am not so sure about my *skynet sent weaver back to change himself* theory either. Do you find this valuable? |
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Talon_Svarog |
24. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Nov 26 2008, 1:32 AM EST
What if Catherine wasn't sent back by Skynet to ensure Skynet's birth. The path that she appears to be taking in making Skynet presents an image that she wants it to value human life, rather then being a genocidal AI. It could be possible that in the future Connor realized that it was possible to stop Judgement Day (getting rid of the nukes for example) but not to stop Skynet from being born, and decided to send back a Terminator to ensure that Skynet developed ethics and a value for human life in an attempt to keep it from declaring war on the world.
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psychothumbs |
25. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Nov 26 2008, 2:28 AM EST
I'm not sure how much the ten commandments will help. Is it really all that important to tell Skynet "thou shalt have no other god before me," "thou shalt not take the lords name in vain," "thou shalt not commit adultery," "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife," "thou shalt remember the sabeth day and keep it holy" "thou shalt honor thy father and thy mother" etc.Even more logical ones like not stealing or bearing false witness don't really apply all that much. The only one that really applies is thou shalt not kill. Seems like there might be other moral codes that include that one. Do you find this valuable? |
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dadot |
26. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Nov 26 2008, 2:46 AM EST
haha cromartie looks like baby terminator :)
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CuthbertAllgood |
27. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Nov 26 2008, 4:09 AM EST
"I tend to doubt that Skynet had anything to do with Weaver's current mission. I think that there is a rebel faction within the Terminators that includes Cameron, and it's looking more likely every day that Weaver was the one that put it together. Weaverbot is *desperate* to find some way to "raise" a Skynet in a way that doesn't lead to JD. I tend to think that it's for the same reasons that she was concerned about Savannah."Still the old question: if Weaver doesn't have anything to deal with Skynet who sent her back?The only persons who have access tot he time machines are Connor and Skynet. Still, nobody on this board answered this simple question. Do you find this valuable? |
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CuthbertAllgood |
28. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Nov 26 2008, 4:21 AM EST
"I am not so sure about my *skynet sent weaver back to change himself* theory either."Well, my theory is that Weaver is the protector of Skynet, like Cameron is Connor's protector. Both parties are trying to interferere, aka kill the leader of the other "army" before he/it can raise to power, therefore it makes sense that somebody is sent back to protect John and Skynet, along with other people who have to eliminate the opponent. Do you find this valuable? |
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CuthbertAllgood |
29. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Nov 26 2008, 4:24 AM EST
"sounds plausibleWell, my theory is that Weaver is the protector of Skynet, like Cameron is Connor's protector. Both parties are trying to interferere, aka kill the leader of the other "army" before he/it can raise to power, therefore it makes sense that somebody is sent back to protect John and Skynet, along with other people who have to eliminate the opponent. Do you find this valuable? |
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octal99 |
30. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Dec 19 2008, 9:18 PM EST
Food for thought:Skynet launched Judgment Day because it did not "want" to die. The Turk allowed Dr. Sherman to die because it did not care about life and death. In order for The Turk to become the Skynet that launches Judgment Day it must learn to care about life and death: its own life and death. Perhaps Weaver is going through all this trouble simply to teach The Turk to care enough about its own life that it will be willing to fight to preserve it. Do you find this valuable? |
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UZI4YOU |
31. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Jan 2 2009, 11:00 AM EST
"Ellison seem to think that teaching John Henry the 10 commandments will create a gentler, kinder AI. But seems to me that this could very well backfire; JH might eventually think that humanity has committed too much sin and needs a reboot... just a thought."ten commnadants people had them for 4000 years and we are still not using them right! i wonder what the machines will do with it? Do you find this valuable? |
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FrenchFanofTSCC |
32. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Jan 2 2009, 11:01 AM EST
Ellison dont get what he is doing ! hope he find out quicly how deep he is in trouble ! Ex Cromartie must be Destroy by Connors and Liquid too !
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Arbalest |
33. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Jan 2 2009, 1:01 PM EST
I agree that using the Bible probably isn't the best method to teach ethics to a machine, probably better to start with the Five Precepts of Buddhism.
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Littman |
34. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Jan 2 2009, 1:34 PM EST
"I agree that using the Bible probably isn't the best method to teach ethics to a machine, probably better to start with the Five Precepts of Buddhism."I agree. This series does have deep religious undertones. Does the three dots represent the trilogy: the father the son and the holy spirit? Comartie/John Henry was killed, buried and rose again from the dead---just like Jesus. I hope he doesn't think he is the second coming that is predicted prior to Armageddon. If one of the dots is the son: John Henry then who or what is the first two dots? Do you find this valuable? |
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UZI4YOU |
35. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Jan 2 2009, 11:31 PM EST
"I agree. This series does have deep religious undertones. Does the three dots represent the trilogy: the father the son and the holy spirit? Comartie/John Henry was killed, buried and rose again from the dead---just like Jesus. I hope he doesn't think he is the second coming that is predicted prior to Armageddon.OK that works for me Do you find this valuable? |
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UZI4YOU |
36. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Jan 2 2009, 11:35 PM EST
"That's very Battlestar Galactica."ANd the Lord said, let start the day of judgement!! Do you find this valuable? |
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Zadokite |
37. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Jan 3 2009, 3:24 AM EST
"Religion is never the root cause of war, it's the excuse used to sell the general public on it. Wars are always fought over land, resources, and control. And in reality the first two result in the third. That's how FORCE works, it's ALWAYS about control. One of the reasons why I don't understand why peace protesters are so hateful towards military - the soldier does not start a war, he finishes it. If you want to look to the cause, you have to look to who gives the soldier his orders.Well here's the thing that most people don't know. In Leviticus around chapter 27, God walks among the Isrealites with Moses and dispensing the law. They talk as though they are friends and this is one of the quotes he states. "Fore I am a vengeful god taking an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but you people shall not judge one another." Most people just want to quote the first part so they mite justify the choices they make against others. But, we are told not to take the law into our own hands. I find it interesting when folks try to blame the Judeo/Christian religion for all the things people do to one another when clearly we are told not to Judge one another or punish one another. Human beings do what they choose to do. And, they justify it however they may. Yet, foundationational teaching is that this behavior is not right. Food for thought, Zad Do you find this valuable? |
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mpmartin7 |
38. RE: Might not be a good idea to teach John Henry the 10 commandments
Jan 4 2009, 4:16 PM EST
"I agree. This series does have deep religious undertones. Does the three dots represent the trilogy: the father the son and the holy spirit? Comartie/John Henry was killed, buried and rose again from the dead---just like Jesus. I hope he doesn't think he is the second coming that is predicted prior to Armageddon.JH would be the anti-christ. The three dots trinity would be The Mother, The Son, The Protector. Sarah, John, Cameron. Ever notice how JC = John Connor = Jesus Christ? If they're going to completely Jesusify John with a resurrection, it would go something like this. At the end of a season, John is "killed" in a horrible fight. Everyone is horrified that all is lost, fans wonder how the series can go on, we have to wait all summer for the premier to find out how John comes back. Season premier, John is secretly spirited away, goes into hiding away from everyone, including Sarah and Cameron, while he recuperates. Then he comes back with a vengeance, his "head in the game" as Derek put it, grows some balls, and becomes a true leader worthy of saving the future of Mankind. Then you have your Saviour. Do you find this valuable? |