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bsmo bsmo	I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 8:18 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 8:18 AM EST ...with the writer's interpretation of John Connor, both the present and the future John's. I've been a terminator fan since watching the first two films when I was a little kid, and I always imagined Connor, especially in the future, as heroic, brave, and a man of the people. Kyle even said "I'd die for John Connor". I think, by now, in SCC, John should be the hero of the show, not some emo kid, and the small references of future John, about him being elusive, aloof, making poor decisions, being in love with a machine (or whatever the hell is going on), all this to the point of him even having defectors (Jessie and Riley) is just totally screwing with what John Connor, or rather, the legend of John Connor, is all about. I find it very dissappointing. Also, I think that a heroic John, as a central character, is exactly what the show needs. Sure, I like the show as it is, but as I understand it, it's struggling with ratings. I think it'd be just as good, and could still be just as intriguing and deep IF John was kickass, rather than being a troubled kid, he needs to be a hero, a fearless leader, someone for the teenage fans to either look up to (guys) or swoon over (girls). Moody adolescents don't make good TV, especially when they're supposed to be the legendary John Connor. I'd lead a resistance better than this pathetic squirt! Post reply 9 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
HK103	1. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 8:39 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 8:39 AM EST I disagree. It needs to be a journey. I can't take a teen hero seriously. Post reply 9 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
bsmo bsmo	2. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 8:47 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 8:47 AM EST Perhaps, but I'd hate to see him being whiney and pathetic for much longer. He's useless at the moment. What do you think about what they're doing to the legend of future John? Is it really necessary to sully him like this? They're making future John seem like the dumb kid we see in the present day SCC. Post reply 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
bsmo bsmo	3. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 8:49 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 8:49 AM EST And anyway, isn't he supposed to be about sixteen by now? There have been real life war heros that age in the past! Post reply 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LiquidMetal	4. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 8:50 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 8:50 AM EST This is the one flaw in the show. Having John as a 16-year old really handcuffs the writers, and limits what they can do with the character. Assuming TSCC runs 3, 4, 5+ years, it will be a long journey if John ages in real time. Post reply 7 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
HK103	5. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 8:53 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 8:53 AM EST "And anyway, isn't he supposed to be about sixteen by now? There have been real life war heros that age in the past!" They way he is now is completely logical to me. Post reply 5 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
HK103	6. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 8:57 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 8:57 AM EST "What do you think about what they're doing to the legend of future John? Is it really necessary to sully him like this? They're making future John seem like the dumb kid we see in the present day SCC." I don not have preconceived notions about future John. Apart from a few vague things in the movies we have no idea what he is like. There is no legend of John Connor other than a brief description of some things he did. Also, this is the Sarah Connor Chronicles. John is not the hero yet. His time is not now, it's in the future. Post reply 9 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
djegators	7. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 9:13 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 9:13 AM EST You are seeing John show signs along the way. Seems like every episode there is a situation where makes a decision, takes charge, or otherwise shows leadership. Also, it is the "Sarah Connor Chronicles", her story, her perspective I think. Post reply 4 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
HK-50 HK-50	8. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 9:17 AM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 9:17 AM EST I agree with you in some ways, but remember, John is a 16 year old kid and only a few years removed from being the brat that he was in T-2. I'd say that he's made quite a bit of progress, though yes, he still has a long way to go. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
knownbeforetime	9. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 10:32 AM EST I think you're going off of Jesse's point of view. She's a traitor. She's going to color everything to justify her actions to Derek. It was just a few weeks ago that Derek told John "we all die for you". It sounded like he meant it. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
flygrrrrl	10. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 11:03 AM EST "And anyway, isn't he supposed to be about sixteen by now? There have been real life war heros that age in the past!" Well, John has a lot of personal conflict right now that I'm sure most young war hero's didn't have to deal with. He's supposed to lead mankind in a fight against the machines, right? But what kind of leader can he be if he can't even fight the machine that's in his heart? Oh, yes, he's trying really hard... even shoots out his best poker face... but it's not even a good fight. She's killing him. I'm sure he's been thinking about it and that's making him a little looney. How many real life war heroes had to deal with falling in love with the enemy? Post reply 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
TerminTatorTot	11. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 11:08 AM EST Rome wasn't built in a day. Post reply 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ScotWithOne_t	12. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 1:24 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 1:24 PM EST "Well, John has a lot of personal conflict right now that I'm sure most young war hero's didn't have to deal with. He's supposed to lead mankind in a fight against the machines, right? But what kind of leader can he be if he can't even fight the machine that's in his heart? Oh, yes, he's trying really hard... even shoots out his best poker face... but it's not even a good fight. She's killing him. I'm sure he's been thinking about it and that's making him a little looney. How many real life war heroes had to deal with falling in love with the enemy? " Exactly. That is why Jesse needs to destroy Cameron, and John can finally harden up and start teaching people how to smash those metal motherf**ers into junk! Post reply 0 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable?* Do you?
Thecolours	13. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 1:29 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 1:29 PM EST Josh has addressed this question in the past. You can't have 4 alpha males running around at the same time. Post reply 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
HK103	14. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 1:30 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 1:30 PM EST Cameron is not the enemy. She actually wants John to man up. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
HK103	15. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 1:31 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 1:31 PM EST "Josh has addressed this question in the past. You can't have 4 alpha males running around at the same time. " Alpha males? Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Thecolours	16. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 1:34 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 1:34 PM EST "Alpha males? " As in, you can't have 4 leaders, running around. Someone's got to take charge, and the others have to follow. Sarah's the only who usually takes charge of a situation, since this show is about her. Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
HK103	17. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 1:37 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 1:37 PM EST "As in, you can't have 4 leaders, running around. Someone's got to take charge, and the others have to follow. Sarah's the only who usually takes charge of a situation, since this show is about her. " Alpha MALES? They are alphas alright, just not all male. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MetalHunter MetalHunter	18. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 1:40 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 1:40 PM EST "Exactly. That is why Jesse needs to destroy Cameron, and John can finally harden up and start teaching people how to smash those metal motherf**ers into junk!" Accurate! And the Best Solution for Jesse is to ORDER to a girl to seduce John! Cameron "tries to kill" Riley, John kill Cameron! Wonderfully! :) But IF John FOUND that he was tricked and ALL things is a BIG LIE, which participated also his real uncle? I think John will get to trust ONLY in Machines! Jesse's game is very dangerous! She can be to obtain the Exact Reverse Result! Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable?* Do you?
Thecolours	19. RE: I'm getting somewhat dismayed... Dec 1 2008, 1:47 PM EST \| Post edited: Dec 1 2008, 1:47 PM EST "Alpha MALES? They are alphas alright, just not all male." Those are his words, not mine. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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