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CadreOfCows
CadreOfCows
20. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 12 2008, 9:12 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 12 2008, 9:12 PM EST
"I got a "Last Time" message to stop making "crude" comments about Riley today.

No telling what your gonna get over that one (video) mate...LOL!

THAT, was v i o l e n t !

What was the name of that movie? That was cool showing it from the victims persecutive. "
Gangster No. 1. Good movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0210065/

I saw it at the cinema when it first came out. At the time, that scene was the most disturbing thing I'd ever seen in a movie. What makes it worse is that you don't actually really see much of what he's doing to the guy. Leaves most of the worst imagery to the imagination...
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djegators
djegators
21. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 12 2008, 11:18 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 12 2008, 11:18 PM EST
It would be a huge dissappointment if Cam didn't kill Riley...I don't know how many times I posted it, but I need to see her "kill her, and hang her head from a pike for all to see." 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

HawkDsl
22. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 12 2008, 11:24 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 12 2008, 11:24 PM EST
"Gangster No. 1. Good movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0210065/

I saw it at the cinema when it first came out. At the time, that scene was the most disturbing thing I'd ever seen in a movie. What makes it worse is that you don't actually really see much of what he's doing to the guy. Leaves most of the worst imagery to the imagination..."
Thanks for the info... Yea, that was wild... good thing that wasn't on "feel it tube".... Ouch!

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jarhead_h
jarhead_h
23. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 12 2008, 11:41 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 12 2008, 11:41 PM EST
"No, but it might piss John off royally considering what he might or might not understand when she does it, or how he reacts to the new information.

The last thing we need is another wedge between them..."
This is why I maintain that if Riley is human her entire purpose is to give John a reason to hate Cameron. Riley's entire point in the plan is not to give John an alternative to Cameron, or drive a wedge between him and Cameron. Her part in the plan is to get John to care about her and then be taken away.

"I need you." That's what Riley was saying in front of Jesse, her coach(in the business known as a "handler"), and when she reports that John has said it back Jesse will set up to shoot her and blame it on Cameron, who in complete terminator predictably is stalking Riley. Motive, means, presence on scene, how much you wanna bet that Jesse will miss Cameron's presence when she already had the house staked out and had photos of Dereck and John and Cameron has NO IDEA. She'll have the pics to prove Cameron was there, may even set up to have Cam find the body, and have a convincing lie to tell Dereck about how she didn't trust the machine and look what "it" did.

And obviously, I doubt that Riley knows that she's a sacrifice.

If Riley's metal then her point is to be a twist on the usual Terminator plot - a Terminator whose target is actually another Terminator, one that is in actuality JC's girlfriend going up against one that would have become that without the interference. I was hoping that Riley was going to be the skipper of the USS Jimmy Carter, but that got ruled out with the circulation of the casting call.

Either way this is gonna be good.
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KrelleK
24. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 13 2008, 2:26 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2008, 2:26 PM EST
"If Riley was killed by Cameron.........the world would be a better place, a world without a lying thief known as Riley. "
"a world without sin" oh where did i now get this from? oh no the operative from Serenity!!! well iam not saying shhould just be in cold blood, but kinda then they had found out what she really is, and John is completely out in the ropes of what to do, angry yes, but not entirely sure of what to do, I myself could probably get along with it, but John would probably have a hard time about, so what i think she(Cam) should do, is like in the Lionking, were offers Scar to run away, never to return, Reilly does, but is about to try something, like a 9 mm. bullet filled with thermite, but does not get the aim in place(her eyes),because she herself is shot between the eyes, the bullet hit the wall nearby John and Sarah and it burns in the wall instead.
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Maria17B
Maria17B
25. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 13 2008, 2:34 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2008, 2:34 PM EST
If Cameron kills Riley.. and John sees,
Cameron: Oh...was that Riley?
John: YES! OMG!
Cameron: My mistake.

But, lol, wouldn't bother me, would probably bother John, UNLESS Riley has a gun to John's head and she's really evil or something, always possible. Cameron has an excuse if she finds out Riley is a danger to John Conner.
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CadreOfCows
CadreOfCows
26. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 13 2008, 4:59 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2008, 4:59 PM EST
"If Cameron kills Riley.. and John sees,
Cameron: Oh...was that Riley?
John: YES! OMG!
Cameron: My mistake.

But, lol, wouldn't bother me, would probably bother John, UNLESS Riley has a gun to John's head and she's really evil or something, always possible. Cameron has an excuse if she finds out Riley is a danger to John Conner."
Cameron: "She was a bitch whore".
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AugustusM
AugustusM
27. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 13 2008, 5:31 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2008, 5:31 PM EST
It would not deviate in any way with the way the character has been written in season 2. However the same could not be said with how she was written in season 1. As for missing Riley it all depends on how much credit you give Cameron or even John for that matter. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
DeusEx
DeusEx
28. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 13 2008, 5:46 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2008, 5:46 PM EST
"If Cameron kills Riley.. and John sees,
Cameron: Oh...was that Riley?
John: YES! OMG!
Cameron: My mistake.

But, lol, wouldn't bother me, would probably bother John, UNLESS Riley has a gun to John's head and she's really evil or something, always possible. Cameron has an excuse if she finds out Riley is a danger to John Conner."
Wow, what a pack of sick puppies on this thread! So it doesn't bother you if Riley is good and Cameron shoots Riley. Hokay.....
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CadreOfCows
CadreOfCows
29. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 13 2008, 6:15 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2008, 6:15 PM EST
"Wow, what a pack of sick puppies on this thread! So it doesn't bother you if Riley is good and Cameron shoots Riley. Hokay....."
Judgement Day would probably already have been prevented by now if Sarah and John had just let Cameron off the leash and permitted her to kill as many people and blow as much stuff up as she deemed necessary.
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DeusEx
DeusEx
30. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 13 2008, 6:29 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2008, 6:29 PM EST
"Judgement Day would probably already have been prevented by now if Sarah and John had just let Cameron off the leash and permitted her to kill as many people and blow as much stuff up as she deemed necessary. "
I;m not sure how many they stopped her from killing. I'm trying to think of an example. Oh yeah, the cop wriritng a ticket in S1. Yeah he is a key factor in JD I'm sure!
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Cammynator
Cammynator
31. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 13 2008, 6:32 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2008, 6:32 PM EST
"I;m not sure how many they stopped her from killing. I'm trying to think of an example. Oh yeah, the cop wriritng a ticket in S1. Yeah he is a key factor in JD I'm sure!"
Also the bird. He would be the future leader of the birdkind
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Cammynator
Cammynator
32. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 13 2008, 6:35 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2008, 6:35 PM EST
"Also the bird. He would be the future leader of the birdkind"
*he will be
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Maria17B
Maria17B
33. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 13 2008, 11:54 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 13 2008, 11:54 PM EST
"Wow, what a pack of sick puppies on this thread! So it doesn't bother you if Riley is good and Cameron shoots Riley. Hokay....."
I have reconsidered. Cameron should not kill Riley, that would be cruel and unusual and Riley is human (as far as we know)
Perhaps locking her up in a cell somewhere for a while, or even a broom closet would be better. Regular food supplies and bathroom breaks are a must of course.
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andrea100
andrea100
34. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 14 2008, 1:32 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 14 2008, 1:32 AM EST
"This is why I maintain that if Riley is human her entire purpose is to give John a reason to hate Cameron. Riley's entire point in the plan is not to give John an alternative to Cameron, or drive a wedge between him and Cameron. Her part in the plan is to get John to care about her and then be taken away.

"I need you." That's what Riley was saying in front of Jesse, her coach(in the business known as a "handler"), and when she reports that John has said it back Jesse will set up to shoot her and blame it on Cameron, who in complete terminator predictably is stalking Riley. Motive, means, presence on scene, how much you wanna bet that Jesse will miss Cameron's presence when she already had the house staked out and had photos of Dereck and John and Cameron has NO IDEA. She'll have the pics to prove Cameron was there, may even set up to have Cam find the body, and have a convincing lie to tell Dereck about how she didn't trust the machine and look what "it" did.

And obviously, I doubt that Riley knows that she's a sacrifice.

If Riley's metal then her point is to be a twist on the usual Terminator plot - a Terminator whose target is actually another Terminator, one that is in actuality JC's girlfriend going up against one that would have become that without the interference. I was hoping that Riley was going to be the skipper of the USS Jimmy Carter, but that got ruled out with the circulation of the casting call.

Either way this is gonna be good."
I agree with you jarhead_h. If Jesse's goal is to put a permanent wedge between Cameron and John, the best way would be if she made it look like Cameron killed Riley.

But what should Cameron do? I think the only thing she could do is tell John what Jesse and Riley are doing. Then John would probably confront Riley and Riley would probably break down and confess. She might be able to convince him that she was pressured by Jesse so that might not end the relationship. But that would prevent Jesse from being able to turn John against Cameron. Cameron told him the truth when everyone else around him lied. He might trust her again. He might even come to the conclusion that a human girlfriend is impossible for him to have and he might turn to Cam. (ok, just having a shipper moment).
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djegators
djegators
35. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 14 2008, 2:07 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 14 2008, 2:07 AM EST
"I have reconsidered. Cameron should not kill Riley, that would be cruel and unusual and Riley is human (as far as we know)
Perhaps locking her up in a cell somewhere for a while, or even a broom closet would be better. Regular food supplies and bathroom breaks are a must of course."
Dang, you don't think my theory of Cameron pimping out Riley at night when everyone is sleeping will be proven true? I mean it ties up several loose ends, including Riley's asking strangers for $20...
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t5000
t5000
36. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 14 2008, 2:44 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 14 2008, 2:44 AM EST
cam wont kill riley in cold blood...kind of a stupid question Do you find this valuable?    
Talon_Svarog
Talon_Svarog
37. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 14 2008, 11:18 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 14 2008, 11:18 PM EST
Why would you want Riley to be killed anyway? Sure, there is an armada of personal reasons, like her possibly being a lying manipulative bitch. But, as a character, she brings in a new element to the show. When watching TV shows, one of the things I hate is how most romances that are introduced are all for real, no motive except for love behind it. At least here, there is a possible ulterior motive behind it, such as trying to tear him away from Cameron's influence (which is working by the way). This ulterior motive to the 'romance' makes it more interesting then it would be if it was just a everyday love story. Do you find this valuable?    
trigger_happy14
trigger_happy14
38. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 14 2008, 11:20 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 14 2008, 11:20 PM EST
If Cameron were to kill Riley...

The skies would open up, light would shine down from heaven and a chorus would start singing "hallelujah!"

:D
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daemondark
daemondark
39. RE: So, if Cameron were to kill Riley in cold blood...
Dec 14 2008, 11:29 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 14 2008, 11:29 PM EST
What if John were to decide that he would need both Cam and Riley to take care of his "Needs"?
I think, being the savior of humanity should come with some perks.....Don't you guys?
Cam should be his main squeeze.....But he should have a fully staffed harem at his disposal.
That's just my opinion. that's just my 2 cents.

Being a man possessed of a dirty mind, these things sometimes escape my mind and make their way into my posts. I apologize if i offended.

Im a dog. a dirty one. :)
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