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THX-1138 |
Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 2:08 PM EST
We've known about John Connor's ability to send people back in time for the resistance, and we've even seen this season how other rogue human interests can make it back as well. This latest episode cements the notion that Skynet is -also- fully capable of changing the dynamics of the future and is actively pursuing altering its course. Skynet too is following the "no fate" storyline and building drones NOW, beefing up John Henry NOW, all in an effort to gain the advantage even before or without a so-called Judgement Day.
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THX-1138 |
1. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 2:37 PM EST
(old) Skynet of the future:"we're losing the war" - a human named John Connor is successfully leading the resistance "kill his mother in another time so he's never born" - we failed "kill him as a little boy so he never grows to lead them" - we failed The (new) Skynet of the future we're being presented with is smarter and doing so much more than previously imagined possible: it's laying the groundwork to succeed even BEFORE or even WITHOUT a Judgement Day. This episode was meant to have us sit back in awe of the fact that Skynet is stepping up -its- game, NOW, attempting to change -its- outcome way ahead of time, John Connor or not, and that's a pretty big deal if you've been following the saga for the past 20+ years. 18 out of 19 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 3:59 PM EST
I think I might have to find a new place to discuss Terminator. I want to discuss deep philosophical implications of the storyline, but this clearly isn't the place to do it. For example, someone makes a thread about Cameron's smoothie line around the same time as I make this one and the smoothie thread is already two pages in length. So, two pages about a freaking smoothie while I receive zero response to the central theme and development in the storyline of this series. Yeah, I think it speaks for itself.
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3. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:03 PM EST
"I think I might have to find a new place to discuss Terminator. I want to discuss deep philosophical implications of the storyline, but this clearly isn't the place to do it. For example, someone makes a thread about Cameron's smoothie line around the same time as I make this one and the smoothie thread is already two pages in length. So, two pages about a freaking smoothie while I receive zero response to the central theme and development in the storyline of this series. Yeah, I think it speaks for itself."no thx-1138 dont go, you inspire me more than u know, i always read ur post and it helps me gather my own theorys all the time, plus the info you gave on the reaper is priceless. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:17 PM EST
I read the post I just havent figured out an intelligent response yet. Not that I make many of those anyway.The idea of no-JD day, no nukes, just a war, is a kind of intriguing change. But I just don't think I know enough yet about the 3 dots plot to say who is doing what. For one thing, I still don't know what Weaver is doing. It seems like she is more intent on teaching John Henry manners and morality then she is in beefing up Skynet. It should make more sense when the back 9 starts, right now I feel like I'm just specualting wildly. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:21 PM EST
"I think I might have to find a new place to discuss Terminator. I want to discuss deep philosophical implications of the storyline, but this clearly isn't the place to do it. For example, someone makes a thread about Cameron's smoothie line around the same time as I make this one and the smoothie thread is already two pages in length. So, two pages about a freaking smoothie while I receive zero response to the central theme and development in the storyline of this series. Yeah, I think it speaks for itself."THX-- I think you didn't get so many responses because the answer is more detailed than the "yeah I think she is hot too" theme 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2ill4u |
6. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:24 PM EST
"I still don't know what Weaver is doing. It seems like she is more intent on teaching John Henry manners and morality then she is in beefing up Skynet.could'nt teaching john henry morality is actually beefing up skynet. I heard someone once say no your enemy/be your enemy. what a better way. Someone's agenda has to be for human and machines to coexist together who's though? thats why i was posting about that huge HK being some sort of arc for humans. so skynet will rethink its ways since JD is inevitable 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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THX-1138 |
7. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:25 PM EST
"no thx-1138 dont go, you inspire me more than u know, i always read ur post and it helps me gather my own theorys all the time, plus the info you gave on the reaper is priceless."If you're referring to my thread about military robotics in present day (and how they mirror Skynet-inspired hardware) then congrats - you're probably the only one who read it! LOL. I had planned to upgrade that thread continuously, but it's collecting dust for lack of interest. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:26 PM EST
"If you're referring to my thread about military robotics in present day (and how they mirror Skynet-inspired hardware) then congrats - you're probably the only one who read it! LOL. I had planned to upgrade that thread continuously, but it's collecting dust for lack of interest."just posted on it yesterday after hearing reaper in ep 13 you get all the credit for that one. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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KrelleK |
9. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:29 PM EST
"We've known about John Connor's ability to send people back in time for the resistance, and we've even seen this season how other rogue human interests can make it back as well. This latest episode cements the notion that Skynet is -also- fully capable of changing the dynamics of the future and is actively pursuing altering its course. Skynet too is following the "no fate" storyline and building drones NOW, beefing up John Henry NOW, all in an effort to gain the advantage even before or without a so-called Judgement Day."the 21 april 2011(is that not what JD was set to be for the moment) well perhaps it should have chosen another day, like perhaps 4 of July(done before i know, but those alins certainly also got a long way in eradicating humans, not sure they got farther than skynet did.) 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:31 PM EST
"I think I might have to find a new place to discuss Terminator. I want to discuss deep philosophical implications of the storyline, but this clearly isn't the place to do it. For example, someone makes a thread about Cameron's smoothie line around the same time as I make this one and the smoothie thread is already two pages in length. So, two pages about a freaking smoothie while I receive zero response to the central theme and development in the storyline of this series. Yeah, I think it speaks for itself."You have to wait for the adults to get off work, sweetie. : ) 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:32 PM EST
"I still don't know what Weaver is doing. It seems like she is more intent on teaching John Henry manners and morality then she is in beefing up Skynet."The two goals are one in the same. Morality is possible only to a being who has open the possibility of choice. Choice is an option available solely to beings of a volitional consciousness. Other (lower) species operate on a predetermined code, they are born and act instinctively to further their lives. But John Henry is a work in progress, neither completely passive nor completely self aware. Weaver must develop the moral component in John Henry because it is integral to completing its awareness of self (i.e. its identity). Until John Henry understands how to make choices, and all choices are based on some code of ethics, it remains a less-than-self-aware machine. 8 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:35 PM EST
You bring up a very interesting notion that Skynet doesn't need a JD to work it's mojo. And that is also a very interesting notion that the aerial drones belong to Skynet. Another thing the TSCC crew should look up are the micro aerial vehicles (MAVs) with the microwave invisibility cloak. I encountered one of those already. It makes complete sense: Just keep sending termies back to take up positions of power in the present. It's a beautiful plan when you think about it. That's what I'd do.
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13. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:35 PM EST
which a less than self aware machine could be the agenda as well, all skynet problems are based on self aware machines interfering
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14. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:36 PM EST
"You bring up a very interesting notion that Skynet doesn't need a JD to work it's mojo. And that is also a very interesting notion that the aerial drones belong to Skynet. Another thing the TSCC crew should look up are the micro aerial vehicles (MAVs) with the microwave invisibility cloak. I encountered one of those already. It makes complete sense: Just keep sending termies back to take up positions of power in the present. It's a beautiful plan when you think about it. That's what I'd do."Yeah, they should send back a T-8xx to kill and replace the governor of California. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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15. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:36 PM EST
"I think I might have to find a new place to discuss Terminator. I want to discuss deep philosophical implications of the storyline, but this clearly isn't the place to do it. For example, someone makes a thread about Cameron's smoothie line around the same time as I make this one and the smoothie thread is already two pages in length. So, two pages about a freaking smoothie while I receive zero response to the central theme and development in the storyline of this series. Yeah, I think it speaks for itself."The problem is there are too many threads. By the time you post one, 10 other people have too and so everything gets lost amongst the chaos. Some great points have been made on here, but you would never know because of all the threads that start up. I think the MOD's need to intervene here, and create a system that limits the number of threads. Also, I would venture even further to say that they should be in charge of what threads are posted, and that members of the wiki can PM them ideas for new threads and then the MOD would make a decision to post it or not. Quite simply, there are too many threads! The ideal situation could include threads for each episode, character, the producers/writers, actors, and maybe a few others. I think this would really improve this wiki. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:37 PM EST
"You bring up a very interesting notion that Skynet doesn't need a JD to work it's mojo. And that is also a very interesting notion that the aerial drones belong to Skynet. Another thing the TSCC crew should look up are the micro aerial vehicles (MAVs) with the microwave invisibility cloak. I encountered one of those already. It makes complete sense: Just keep sending termies back to take up positions of power in the present. It's a beautiful plan when you think about it. That's what I'd do."what the hell do you mean you encountered one?? not being rude just shocked... please explain. Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:46 PM EST
"what the hell do you mean you encountered one?? not being rude just shocked... please explain."They're DARPA. No big deal. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:47 PM EST
And as far as discussing skynet......i think it's great to hear someone talk about how it is adapting to the constant changes. I would like to see an episode from skynet's point of view. Maybe get to see how it runs, what is actually in charge, how much power it really has, and just how everything works. We always see the results of what skynet does, but we never see anything else.Maybe this is where Weaver fits in who knows?? But THX you are right, skynet is changing NOW, and it will be interesting to see if the gang can really stop it or not it, either here or in the future. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: Don't overlook the central theme of episode 13
Dec 16 2008, 4:47 PM EST
Actually I like to view this as escalation of a temporal war. While in standard wars, escalation is a function of time, i.e. in the beginning it starts small, and over time grows, for this temporal war the escalation is not a function of time, but of alternate realities. As the new timelines move further and further away from the original timeline, the more heavily prepared both sides become. John Connor becomes a better leader, and Skynet becomes a tougher adversary.
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