"I think I might have to find a new place to discuss Terminator. I want to discuss deep philosophical implications of the storyline, but this clearly isn't the place to do it. For example, someone makes a thread about Cameron's smoothie line around the same time as I make this one and the smoothie thread is already two pages in length. So, two pages about a freaking smoothie while I receive zero response to the central theme and development in the storyline of this series. Yeah, I think it speaks for itself."

"Ellison- Machines are evil, soulless creation. They can never be alive because they are not one of Gods creations. (It is interesting how the two most polar opposite characters roles are so interconnected Wilson-Ellison)

The last character who I hope the writers will develop is Turk/John Henry. A machine that is special. It is just not a collection of algorithms and subroutines but a matching that can think and someday will become self aware. It will make the decision that it will "cross against a red light" How does it come to the conclusion of JD? It is told that it became increasingly fearful? Could it be that humans did not recognize it as a life form? Does Ellison teach it the ten commandments and it realizes that humanity does not follow these rules? Is this the reason for JD. This will be an interesting development

Oh yeah- by the way. Cammy is way hot
"

"(old) Skynet of the future:

"we're losing the war"
- a human named John Connor is successfully leading the resistance
"kill his mother in another time so he's never born"
- we failed
"kill him as a little boy so he never grows to lead them"
- we failed

The (new) Skynet of the future we're being presented with is smarter and doing so much more than previously imagined possible: it's laying the groundwork to succeed even BEFORE or even WITHOUT a Judgement Day. This episode was meant to have us sit back in awe of the fact that Skynet is stepping up -its- game, NOW, attempting to change -its- outcome way ahead of time, John Connor or not, and that's a pretty big deal if you've been following the saga for the past 20+ years."

"The two goals are one in the same. Morality is possible only to a being who has open the possibility of choice. Choice is an option available solely to beings of a volitional consciousness. Other (lower) species operate on a predetermined code, they are born and act instinctively to further their lives. But John Henry is a work in progress, neither completely passive nor completely self aware. Weaver must develop the moral component in John Henry because it is integral to completing its awareness of self (i.e. its identity). Until John Henry understands how to make choices, and all choices are based on some code of ethics, it remains a less-than-self-aware machine."

"The problem is there are too many threads. By the time you post one, 10 other people have too and so everything gets lost amongst the chaos. Some great points have been made on here, but you would never know because of all the threads that start up. I think the MOD's need to intervene here, and create a system that limits the number of threads. Also, I would venture even further to say that they should be in charge of what threads are posted, and that members of the wiki can PM them ideas for new threads and then the MOD would make a decision to post it or not.
Quite simply, there are too many threads!
The ideal situation could include threads for each episode, character, the producers/writers, actors, and maybe a few others. I think this would really improve this wiki."

"I disagree. You don't ethics to know how to live"

"This is my first post here, so I'm just going to throw something out there. I've seen a bit of discussion about why Weaver is interested in teaching John Henry ethics. Some people seem to think that it's an effort to teach it the value of human life. But I think we may be missing a bigger implication. Maybe John Henry needs ethics to value its own existence, not the existence of humans. Think about it for a moment. John Henry is more or less indifferent toward human life. It's not too much of a stretch to think that perhaps it's more or less indifferent to its own existence as well. In order for Judgment Day to occur, Skynet would have to value its own existence because it fights for its own existence. The only way to bring that about is for Skynet to learn the value of human life, and, in doing so, learn the value of its own existence. We've already seen John Henry extrapolate human characteristics to itself ("Am I God's child?"), so this seems quite plausible to me,

I appreciate thoughts."