"I agree... Most excellent points.

What hooks me, is Weaver so desperate to teach the Turk ethics and morals. I keep thinking that she wants (or was 'programmed') there to be COEXISTENCE.

There's an old saying. If you can't beat em.... Join em. Like you said THX, fail, fail, fail... and changing the next move... Assuming there's more "Spock" then "Captain Kirk" in
the machines.... Well... Coexistence is only logical."

"All good discussions. I still think Weaver is on our side. Benevolent Terminators of the John Henry kind. Look at the symbolism the writers are giving us. The name John Henry is from a legend of a human that challenged machines. Ellison will basically instill in John Henry the Three Laws of Robotics (from Isaac Asimov "Foundation" series of science fiction books). The aircraft at the end of "Earthlings..." was a Zeira Corp. creation I'd say."

"Hang on the evidence is that Weaver has murdered a few people earlier on - including the woman she replaced and her husband. The evidence is that Weaver is beginning to learn to not be more human, but there's almost no info about what she is really up to - Zeira corp is what Cyberdyne used to be - eg the company who plays midwife to Skynet - but is there anything pointing at the theory that she is trying to make a 'nicer' Skynet?"

"I'm smelling a closet Randian."

"I think I might have to find a new place to discuss Terminator. I want to discuss deep philosophical implications of the storyline, but this clearly isn't the place to do it. For example, someone makes a thread about Cameron's smoothie line around the same time as I make this one and the smoothie thread is already two pages in length. So, two pages about a freaking smoothie while I receive zero response to the central theme and development in the storyline of this series. Yeah, I think it speaks for itself."

"THX, I'm really glad you brought this up.

If it weren't for this main theme the whole episode would have been quite meaningless.

Skynet is definitely going on the offensive in the past in a much more widespread and strategic manner rather than the simple "kill John Connor" motive that seemed to always be the answer to Skynet's victory.

I don't think killing John Connor is going to be enough to win the war anymore, hence the reason for so many individual targets and so many Terminators being sent back.

On the topic of immature posts, this is a TV show forum. Like it or not, not all the posts are gonna be full of philosophical and deep meanings. That's just how the internet is unfortunately. However, sometimes, threads such as that Smoothie thread mentioned earlier are created purely for fun. Sometimes people just want to play around and talk about the little funny things about an episode.

It doesn't all have to be serious... :( "

"Huh, well I wasn't really thinking about Weaver mainly because we really just don't KNOW anything about her intentions yet.

I mean the "John sent her back" theory moderately makes sense, but I can't really buy it unless we have more proof. For one thing, I don't see how the Resistance could've gotten their hands on such an advanced model. I mean she's not even a T-1000, she's a T-1001 (whatever THAT means).

Somehow I don't see that the writers are gonna go the Battlestar Galactica route and make this a story about how machines and humans can leave peacefully together. Skynet has always been a ruthless enemy that has never had an intention to coincide with humans. Maybe after Skynet is destroyed, but DEFINITELY not before. I doubt it can be reasoned with.

Well... we'll see I guess. "