"(old) Skynet of the future:

"we're losing the war"
- a human named John Connor is successfully leading the resistance
"kill his mother in another time so he's never born"
- we failed
"kill him as a little boy so he never grows to lead them"
- we failed

The (new) Skynet of the future we're being presented with is smarter and doing so much more than previously imagined possible: it's laying the groundwork to succeed even BEFORE or even WITHOUT a Judgement Day. This episode was meant to have us sit back in awe of the fact that Skynet is stepping up -its- game, NOW, attempting to change -its- outcome way ahead of time, John Connor or not, and that's a pretty big deal if you've been following the saga for the past 20+ years."

"I agree that the evidence seems to support that, that Weaver is on our side and is good. I just find it hard to believe that the T-1000 would not be an adversary! C'mon, no showdown with Cameron? And whats with all the gratuitous killing if Weaver isn't evil?

Its why she is such a mystery. Being good, or being evil, just doesn't seem to fit entirely.

"

" I saw this thread and thought that it was excellently conceived and extremely interesting. But you know what? I just don't feel all that excited about discussing the details of the show anymore.

Having not been a fan of a TV serial since LONG before chat rooms and message boards, this is somewhat of a new experience for me - watching a weekly show and discussing it between episodes. Well, I have to say, this forum has taught me something I didn't know about myself. I watched the entire first season and the first 6 episodes of the second season with unabashed excitement and enthusiasm. Ever since I've been frequenting these boards however, I've found that my enthusiasm and excitement for the show have been quite tempered. I have discovered through hanging out on this website that being in the presence of negativity, nitpicking, critiquing, and the constant pointing out of every little flaw and transgression of something I am a fan of can actually lessen my enjoyment of that thing. I honestly didn't know this about myself.
There is an internet phenomenon called the "blood-in-the-water effect " ( where small amounts of complaints become self-propagating into dozens of complaints, nitpicks, negative reactions, etc. in a feeding frenzy-style scenario) What bothers me is that until now, I always considered myself immune to this effect. But I find that with every "This Episode Sucks" thread, I'm just a little less excited about the next episode and the show in general. The argument can be made that this might be due to a decline in the quality of the show since I joined, but I have found that reading all of the negative comments about episodes that I had previously loved before I came here has actually lowered my opinion of them.

This kind of compels me to want to avoid the site altogether. I wish I could go back to just loving the show."

" what u say is tru , but u can avoid reading the negative thread, and even the negative posts, just skip over the posts and dont read the negative threads.

what I do is I watch each show and decide for myself if it was good and what I liked or disliked, before I ever come here ."

"what u say is tru , but u can avoid reading the negative thread, and even the negative posts, just skip over the posts and dont read the negative threads.

what I do is I watch each show and decide for myself if it was good and what I liked or disliked, before I ever come here .
I liked the last show, it wasnt great but it was fairly good, and then I came here and saw alot of people didnt like it , but I still have the same opinion of it as I did before I read their posts.
any tv show can be taken apart and they all have flaws, but the thing is people liked S-1 so much, and then S-2 has been way too different, it isnt the S-2 they wanted so they put it down , and just see the bad things.
I agree with them on many things but this is the only terminator tv show we will get , and so might as well find a way to enjoy it.
In S-1 each show was pretty much a single story, and S-2 each ep has been several storys , they havent been a "team" as in S-1, and john and cameron spllit up ,not even freindly, and cameron hasnt been "special " like she was in S-1, more of just a plain jane t-888, and jthen the john thing where all he now cares about is riley, and theat went on for 12 episodes and may or may not continue.
so many have good reason to be upset, but it is what it is and whining about it wont change anything.
I have still enjoyed the weaver /turk/john henry story the most, we havent got much of it, but to me it is the best thing about the first 13 eps.
the riley jesse story has gotten better the last few eps also.
I think the back 9 will be much better as they sort of said it would be a "new" storyline.

in closing u cant let what these other people say affect u or your opinion of the show.
it helps to understand why they are not liking a ep or the season."

"I saw this thread and thought that it was excellently conceived and extremely interesting. But you know what? I just don't feel all that excited about discussing the details of the show anymore.

Having not been a fan of a TV serial since LONG before chat rooms and message boards, this is somewhat of a new experience for me - watching a weekly show and discussing it between episodes. Well, I have to say, this forum has taught me something I didn't know about myself. I watched the entire first season and the first 6 episodes of the second season with unabashed excitement and enthusiasm. Ever since I've been frequenting these boards however, I've found that my enthusiasm and excitement for the show have been quite tempered. I have discovered through hanging out on this website that being in the presence of negativity, nitpicking, critiquing, and the constant pointing out of every little flaw and transgression of something I am a fan of can actually lessen my enjoyment of that thing. I honestly didn't know this about myself.
There is an internet phenomenon called the "blood-in-the-water effect " ( where small amounts of complaints become self-propagating into dozens of complaints, nitpicks, negative reactions, etc. in a feeding frenzy-style scenario) What bothers me is that until now, I always considered myself immune to this effect. But I find that with every "This Episode Sucks" thread, I'm just a little less excited about the next episode and the show in general. The argument can be made that this might be due to a decline in the quality of the show since I joined, but I have found that reading all of the negative comments about episodes that I had previously loved before I came here has actually lowered my opinion of them.

This kind of compels me to want to avoid the site altogether. I wish I could go back to just loving the show."

"It makes me wonder if "what if abunch of fans got together and connected the dots and revealed how the series ends?" Wouldnt that be bad for the show?"