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TerminTatorTot |
20. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 20 2008, 7:46 PM EST
"I have to make this quick, I" making the dough for gingerbread men in the kitchenaid.....Good question. I don't think this has been "officially" answered in the show, to my knowledge. Certainly, you need protein for tissue healing. Anybody know if it has ever been addressed? The pancake and chip scenes with Cameron don't really answer it. Do you find this valuable? |
Losa78 |
21. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 20 2008, 7:53 PM EST
"Good question. I don't think this has been "officially" answered in the show, to my knowledge. Certainly, you need protein for tissue healing. Anybody know if it has ever been addressed? The pancake and chip scenes with Cameron don't really answer it."Never been explained, at least that I know of. We heard in the movies it's living tissue over the metal endoskeleton, but nobody really cared about it's maintenance then because terminators didn't really last long. Just the lenght of time displayed in each movie. You put in on a long lasting tv show however, and it's a totally different issue. Specially with the 1920's terminator, 80 years inside a wall. If we go by what Veran said, how would this one get the food and nutrients? Do you find this valuable? |
vaberella |
22. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 20 2008, 8:25 PM EST
"Ok, so those are some unanswered questions so far, that crossed my mind (add some if you have one):1. I figured that it was a place similar to what they did to Allison. However, I figured it was that BEFORE Allison from Palmdale aired. An interrogation room with possibility of the robots getting body scans for their infiltrators. 2. Derek was able to know Cam was metal because he was skilled to pick it up or through body langauge. He's a soldier and well versed in the manipulations of Skynet infiltrators. 3. I have no answer for. Maybe it's to ensure her creation....but I haven't a clue. 4. Why do people keep asking this question? Jesse has NEVER lied to Derek, she may not tell him everything but hse has never lied to him. That being said, Jesse clearly laid out the reason she's there. To take out Cam because of what John risked in order to save Cameron in episode 1. This is established and I don't see that there is any other hidden message than what was already given. She's just a resistance fighter who is rogue, probably part of a group to take out Cam. I'm sure they'll elaborate on this later, but that's what Jesse said and I'm going with it. 5. She seems to know everything and who Cam is. Jesse chose her because she was the right age and she was attractive---I don't see anything to read in it. 6. To people like Jesse. This goes to question 4. 7. I have no clue, not the full extent...Weaver is the biggest mystery. 8. It might be...I'm not too sure. This is one of the problems I have with the show...lots of open plots and nothing closed. They do have several eps until the season finale maybe about 8 or so. That gives them time. 9. She's not a model. She's a prototype a series which I believe is new and I'msure the writers will expand on. TOK715 I think. 10. I don't know. I get what they mean by peace is put us in a zoo as we do to wild animals. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Iranatest |
23. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 20 2008, 9:58 PM EST
"Ok, so those are some unanswered questions so far, that crossed my mind (add some if you have one):11. Was Cameron trying to say "Some need to die" when Sarah and John were discussing the bloody wall and Sarah cut her off. 12. Who left the other bug in Dr. Sherman's office? (who was later killed by John Henry.) 13. BIG QUESTION: What are those THREE DOTS on Sarah's face? They first appeared when she washed blood off her face. 14. BIG QUESTION: Is Kyle back? 15. Does the changed timeline mean there are no more T-888's (that killed Kyle.) 16. Where are the other chips besides Cromarties? What is Cameron doing with them? 17. BIG QUESTION: What are they doing in the isolated warehouse? (Aliens Welcome) 18. Is John still wearing dirty socks? (Self Made Man) Yes, the list is open plot lines is nearly endless. But we still know that the main characters are fighting Skynet. Do you find this valuable? |
octal99 |
24. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 20 2008, 10:12 PM EST
"Maybe it's just me, but I'm not quite clear yet on exactly how Derek met Cameron. I mean, it was sometime in the future, but I don't think they have exactly shown that moment. It is speculated that it could have been in the basement with the music, but I don't really know.2. Actually, Derek's basement interrogation scene occurs at 22:30 into the episode, prior to when he sees Cameron in the bunker (at 33:15). So, the easiest explanation is a Cameron model Terminator interrogates Derek in the basement before he is released and returns to the bunker and sees Cameron, so he recognizes her as metal. Do you find this valuable? |
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Iranatest |
25. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 20 2008, 10:13 PM EST
"10. I don't know. I get what they mean by peace is put us in a zoo as we do to wild animals."I (almost) agree with all your answers, especially #10. Peace means total domination or extermination, just as some people mean for peace. 5. Riley tried to flush Cameron out with her spooky robot sketch to John early on. She knows enough. NTK is important here. 4. Although I agree with the answer about Jesse's mission and being rogue, I cannot agree about Jesse filling in Derek on her mission and not lying. She lied when she claimed to be AWOL, then gave us a clue when she said "Everyone's on a mission". And exactly when did Jesse tell Derek what her mission is? It wasn't after he said GO! in her apartment when he had the gun. She lied as she used wonderful sexual distractions as body language. Do you find this valuable? |
mlpdraco |
26. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 20 2008, 10:30 PM EST
In the "Derek's" basement, there was one song... Chopin, nocturne n40. It is the same song Cameron used to dance balet alone in the next episode, Devils Hand. And Allison/Cameron said "my mother was a musician, she used to listen Chopin for hours"...Maybe who Derek saw on the basement was Cameron. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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mlpdraco |
27. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 20 2008, 10:35 PM EST
"2. Wasn't there a scene set in the future where Derek meets Cameron when Cameron kills a rogue Termi (Cameron says " Sometimes they go bad; we don't know why"? I assume thats where Derek meet Cameron. Will someone please confirm/deny this?Actually, Derek see Cameron as soon as he get into the bunker, and start to scream out loud "metal", and get his gun, so one officer stops him (and her) to get into a fight.. Very after that, she saves him from the cuco terminator... but he knew her before, and... how did he know she was metal? Do you find this valuable? |
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TerminTatorTot |
28. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 1:40 AM EST
"11. Was Cameron trying to say "Some need to die" when Sarah and John were discussing the bloody wall and Sarah cut her off.Great continuation of the list. We should review these before we go into 2009. Regarding your #13, that whole 3-dot thing injects something supernatural into the storyline. For example, when Sarah was in the tortoise nursery scene, Cromartie's body (now John Henry) appeared there and was holding a tortoise, like the tortoise represented "life" or something and John Henry was protecting it or holding it somehow. The fact that Sarah's mind knew about John Henry and he was involved in symbolism to her is spooky. I don't know how the writers are going to tackle that one. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
tommy-minou |
29. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 9:21 AM EST
"We heard in the movies it's living tissue over the metal endoskeleton, but nobody really cared about it's maintenance then because terminators didn't really last long. Just the lenght of time displayed in each movie.The scene where Cameron punches through the wall to find stark who's been there since the 1920s. There's questions about how a termie maintains it's skin. This is how the scene should have appeared: Instead of Stark being pristine, it would have been incredible and frightening if she'd punched the wall to find what looked like a walking/fighting corpse - the moth-eaten, rotting clothes and gangrinous skin hanging off him a bit like 'Corpse Bride'! 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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tommy-minou |
30. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 10:10 AM EST
Unanswered Questions...Here's a few questions that I wonder about, and they are built around this one main question I have about TSCC: My main Q: Are there indeed two (or more) factions of Terminator – ones who want to wipe out man, and others with more ambiguous agendas? So many things come from this question including... 1 What the f*ck is Weaver up to? Is she good/bad? 2 Who is actually going to develop Skynet – it was Cyberdyne, now Zeira, but this could change again (and what about the Emma plot in 2.10?). Will there be more than one mega-AI – could there be competing Skynets according to these factions? 3 And on the subject of the origin and intentions of Skynet, are the US military involved in developing the AI and robotic technologies (they're out of the loop currently – in contrast to T3). 4 Is Cameron straight reprogramed and sent back by John, or is she part of one of these other factions of Termie and more independent than we currently know? 5 Cromatie killed the Ellison termie. On the surface it was because he thought that Ellison would lead him to the Connors, but on the other hand how autonomous was Cromatie? My point is that other Termies may come back, and be even more autonomous than Cromatie – and they may have multiple agendas. 6 We are already aware there are greys – people helping the machines. What factions of them exist (or will exist), and how do they fit into the factions of Termie. For instance there may be people who work with Termies because they want to 'reform' them (a bit like Ellison and Sherman), there may be other greys who are like 'I don't care how many humans you wipe out, as long as I get to be a 'leader'. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Iranatest |
31. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 11:28 AM EST
Good continuation.Your #1 restates the original #7 in a more inclusive way. Do you find this valuable? |
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vaberella |
32. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 1:29 PM EST
"11. Was Cameron trying to say "Some need to die" when Sarah and John were discussing the bloody wall and Sarah cut her off.11. See that was one thing I definitely wanted to know about. I wasn't sure what she meant by that either. I hope the writers don't drop it...What I've noticed is that no one on the team is listening to Cam at all, to their detriment. They cut her off, look at her as the villain, and don't see her as functional unless they need an added labor. John just basically treats her like a vaccum cleaner. But that was a good one...do you have any impressions? 12. We don't know if John Henry was necessarily the one to kill Dr. Sherman, it was heavily implied but we also know that there were T's after Sherman as well, so anyone could have posed and done what they did to the programming of JH or to the facility. As for the other bug...what other bug? 13. See when they appeared all I could think was skin lesions and probably a foreshadowing sign of cancer of some kind. Or they could just have been for affect to make her think she's going crazy and bear no weight. 14. I don't believe Kyle is back. I believe that's a hallucination...the coloring around him has that sepia affect used when they want to play with lighting to give feeling to the past. In order for the nurse to know who and what Kyle is, he would have be a fantasy. I think it's used as a way to give Sarah strength. Remember when she went to the hospital with her neighbor and she said John's father was with her. It's the idea that Kyle is with her no matter what. I don't think it's real. The nurse shoots that to hell. Unless she said something to the nurses when she went to the hospital. 15. I don't know what you mean? It was a T-100 that killed Kyle not a T-888. 16. I have no clue, but she has been collecting quite a few. Maybe she has several missions besides protecting John. 17. No clue, we have 8 or so eps to find out. 18. Probably. Do you find this valuable? |
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vaberella |
33. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 1:43 PM EST
""10. I don't know. I get what they mean by peace is put us in a zoo as we do to wild animals."For your answer to no.10. I would have agreed with you until I saw Allison from Palmdale. That turned that idea on it's head. What would it achieve by keeping those humans in cages. I have specific reasons for having my thoughts. In the T films I would agree with you 100% but if you notice throughout the show and in that episode, when the humans don't pose a threat they don't kill them. They just knock them out. Like that girl who's little sister was going to cure the humans. The T saw him as worthless even with that silly weapon in his hand. The T had one goal. They don't kill all humans, now, they sort of put us on display and study us and research us...hence the hiring of grays. Our extermination is not their full goal any more and hence the reason I disagree with you. Domination sure, since that falls in line with my "zoo" thinking, but not extermination. 5. I agree about that much on Riley. I feel sorry for her, I think she's nuts, but I know she's not stupid and knows a lot of what's going on if not all. 4. She has NEVER lied to Derek. I had clearly said in my post that she hasn't told Derek everything and has kept things from him. But all the information she HAS given to Derek she has never lied about...or that I know of. So when she says some things I take it at face value considering how she feels about Derek even if she is a soldier. She never said she wasn't AWOL to Derek...she let me run on his ideas. Notice when he asked if John put her on a mission, she NEVER said John put her on a mission. Derek just ran with his ideas and she let him think it. However, whenever she did let out information she ALWAYS told him the truth if not everything. It wasn't until he figure it out that she told him what she was doing there. She again NEVER lied, she just chose not to tell him a few things. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vaberella |
34. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 3:14 PM EST
"7. What is the aim of Weaver and the John Henry bot."I think I figured out the answer to this one while answering another thread. The aim of Weaver is to ensure and hasten JD. It's like this when I was debating the paradox of time. We know that technology can never "devolve" it must always evolve and it tends to evolve out of something that was already there and something primitive. However, the question is who does it evolve?! It doesn't evolve out of thin air or make believe. It has human ingenuity, innovation, creativity, and imagination to ensure that it can evolve. So the oven moves into a toaster which moves into the toaster-oven until we have the creation of the microwave. I personally have one of each because one does one little thing better than the other, but ultimately the idea was to heat food and as easily as possible. Fine. When looking T1 and T2 the machines were out to get John Connor to end the human resistance, their objective started changing after the failure of the T-100 in T1, then of course the success of Sarah Connor and John Connor and the subsequent failure of the T-1001. In T2, the machines were depending on Dyson to make ensure their creation or the creation of skynet. But with Dyson he would have rather sacrificed himself and therefore all of the machines in the future causing the pushing back of JD but not ensuring the end of the machine take over. Plus T-1000 became scrap metal and worthless...the creation of Weaver. A highly advanced learning machine and secondly one that can ensure and hasten JD. She takes out the human liability that occured with Dyson and hurt their cause. They are NOW no longer fully dependent on humans for their eventual creation. They are now using humans to create the machines that will enslave them and doing so without their knowledge. Weaver is a fail-safe. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vaberella |
35. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 3:32 PM EST
Something else came to me.Weaver as a fail-safe and Ellison's stupidity in bringing Cromartie to Weaver also caused the advancement of the machines. The machines are no longer reprogramming when they're out. That's why there's a self destruct mechanism. This is all due to Ellison's situation. The machines are far more developed. But that would mean Cameron from their future is the Cameron from the first timeline of the show----so she was never created in the future. Huh...crazy. At this point, I'm excited for the next few episodes to see if I'm right. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Iranatest |
36. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 7:14 PM EST
Wow, Vaberella, I've been on the wrong threads this afternoon. You posed some great answers. I agree about everything except Jesse. She is a witch to me. As Commander Chang prescribed, I will rewatch the shows after Christmas. I will certainly be looking for Jesse's original dialogue with Derek.12. I like how you said "heavily implied". Cathy is the only one who said John Henry killed Sherman. That is dialogue which I normally take at face value. Cathy could easily have lied. She controls John Henry with a remote control. 14. You have given the best observations on the recent Kyle appearance. I am less inclined to think he is back. I also am looking forward to the next episodes in February. Do you find this valuable? |
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Iranatest |
37. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 7:19 PM EST
"Great continuation of the list. We should review these before we go into 2009.The Sarah dreams are meandering toward the fantasy side. The Cromartie to infantile John Henry is a big reveal. Do you find this valuable? |
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TerminTatorTot |
38. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 7:24 PM EST
"The Sarah dreams are meandering toward the fantasy side. The Cromartie to infantile John Henry is a big reveal."Fantasy side... Roger that. As for the 3 Dots, never underestimate the power of the toad: http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/page/TSCC+Macros That explains a lot. Do you find this valuable? |
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Iranatest |
39. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 10:32 PM EST
Veberella,There is so much to review & catch up with. "Weaver is a fail-safe." I am hoping she makes a "more friendly" Skynet. But you are convincing me. 12. There were two bugs in the Doctor's office. One Cameron planted then John took. There was another in the eaves of the dollhouse window. It was highlighted by the camera at about 14 minutes?? Do you find this valuable? |
