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djegators
djegators
40. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 10:41 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 10:41 PM EST
"I think I figured out the answer to this one while answering another thread.

The aim of Weaver is to ensure and hasten JD.

It's like this when I was debating the paradox of time. We know that technology can never "devolve" it must always evolve and it tends to evolve out of something that was already there and something primitive. However, the question is who does it evolve?! It doesn't evolve out of thin air or make believe. It has human ingenuity, innovation, creativity, and imagination to ensure that it can evolve. So the oven moves into a toaster which moves into the toaster-oven until we have the creation of the microwave.

I personally have one of each because one does one little thing better than the other, but ultimately the idea was to heat food and as easily as possible. Fine.

When looking T1 and T2 the machines were out to get John Connor to end the human resistance, their objective started changing after the failure of the T-100 in T1, then of course the success of Sarah Connor and John Connor and the subsequent failure of the T-1001.

In T2, the machines were depending on Dyson to make ensure their creation or the creation of skynet. But with Dyson he would have rather sacrificed himself and therefore all of the machines in the future causing the pushing back of JD but not ensuring the end of the machine take over.

Plus T-1000 became scrap metal and worthless...the creation of Weaver. A highly advanced learning machine and secondly one that can ensure and hasten JD. She takes out the human liability that occured with Dyson and hurt their cause. They are NOW no longer fully dependent on humans for their eventual creation. They are now using humans to create the machines that will enslave them and doing so without their knowledge.

Weaver is a fail-safe. "
Have been arguing this same side for a while now. I simply don't buy the alternate good skynet theory. For one thing, Skynet is only meaningful if it is in control of the military..so what does the other skynet control? Another thing, if CW were sent by John, why not contact the Connors and protect them? With CW's power and resources, would be quite easy to hide them, help them store resources in case JD still happens. If John had Cam and CW protecting him, would be pretty hard to kill. Also, if CW is sent by John, but present John does not know about it, and the Connors stumble upon CW, they would likely try to destroy the whole operation. So, yes, I agree that CW is there to hasten JD.
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t5000
t5000
41. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 10:48 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 10:48 PM EST
"I have to make this quick, I" making the dough for gingerbread men in the kitchenaid.....
What sustains the terminators biological tissues? When the guy from the 1920s was waiting behind the wall for about 80 years, but still looked fresh as a daisy when Cameron knocked down the wall to expose him?"
your not going t get a real answer for this,most people dont give that any thought and it has never been addressed in a movie or this show.
lets just say it is self replicating / repairing "super skin "!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it dont need nothing to repair or look good.
alot of fiction has no basis in reality, u ananlyze too much it is all flawed.
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t5000
t5000
42. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 21 2008, 10:49 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 10:49 PM EST
"There has to be a slim chance that there is more than one Cameron, yes she was molded after one person. But we all know anytime a one off is made if there is any little reason to not wast a "mold" they would have produced more. I think that would blow everyone away if we seen a blue time bubble appear and a Skynet controlled Cameron was set loose in this time. Summer could easily act both parts. This would not have to dominate the show either, this evil version could set up operations on the other side of town for a while. It would make things interesting without jumping the shark."
yeah this would be good ......so dont expect to actually see it in the show LOL
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vaberella
vaberella
43. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 22 2008, 7:20 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 22 2008, 7:20 PM EST
"Have been arguing this same side for a while now. I simply don't buy the alternate good skynet theory. For one thing, Skynet is only meaningful if it is in control of the military..so what does the other skynet control? Another thing, if CW were sent by John, why not contact the Connors and protect them? With CW's power and resources, would be quite easy to hide them, help them store resources in case JD still happens. If John had Cam and CW protecting him, would be pretty hard to kill. Also, if CW is sent by John, but present John does not know about it, and the Connors stumble upon CW, they would likely try to destroy the whole operation. So, yes, I agree that CW is there to hasten JD."
I'm surprised that some people would have said CW was sent to protect John. I would never have thought that would be the case. I do agree with you in regardsto Skynet. There is absolutely nothing benign about them and nor do I think they would ever be benign since to this day the base programming is to kill John Connor, further more those who might have helped John also have been killed. Dr. Sherman, although we're still unsure on where he stood for John or Sarah. Further more, there is the role of Ellison, which I think has become more pervasive than anyone else in the future. I could see him as the head of those called "gray's".

In regards to John probably sending CW back, I'd love to know how he managed to program or create a liquid machine. I see them as even beyond John Connor's era. Has it ever been said what time period the T-1000/T-1001 has come from? I always thought they were far far advanced than even John's lifetime but even ensuring that human's are eradicated is still not the case.

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daemondark
daemondark
44. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 22 2008, 7:50 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 22 2008, 7:50 PM EST
The only 2 questions i give a flip about are......

1. When is John gonna warm up to Cam again?

2.When are we gonna be able to look at the screen, see John, and say "Yea, that's John Connor. KickIn ass and takin names".

? #1 is important to me cause I think, considering the life he has ahead of him, That our boy John deserves some hot cyborg lovin :)

? #2 is important to me.... first of all, because the chances of us getting a third and possibly more seasons are looking bleak (IMO).........If we were guaranteed a third season i wouldn't mind a slow build up to "General Connor",,,,But its starting to look to me like we are gonna be left with Emo John come the series finale. and that wouldn't just suck..it would be tragic.

Secondly, i think they are handling Johns character wrong. I understand he's a Teenager, but hes not a (in his own words) normal teenager. I think Liquid Metal was right. They should have had john be a little older.
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tk1000
tk1000
45. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 22 2008, 11:02 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 22 2008, 11:02 PM EST
"Ok, so those are some unanswered questions so far, that crossed my mind (add some if you have one):

1. What happened to Derek in the basement - [1x06] Dungeons & Dragons
2. How did Derek know that Cameron is a terminator - [1x06] Dungeons & Dragons
3. Why did Cameron took the coltan bar - [1x04] Heavy Metal
4. Is there sth more with the mission of Jesse, is there sb who supports her? What is the real story of her managing to travel to the past.
5. Do Riley know everything? Does she knows who Cameron really is? Why did Jesse chose Riley – only because she was pretty or sth more?
6. To who was Cameron referring to when she told John that “that could upset people” (…) “not them” - [2x02] Automatic for the People
7. What is the aim of Weaver and the John Henry bot.
8. Is the Emma (Japanese guy program) somehow important? - [2x10] Strange Things Happen At The One Two Poin.
9. What model Cameron is.
10. Who among terminators wants peace and what are theirs plans? - [2x04] Allison from Palmdale

I hope that writers will explain some of them soon or maybe in the 3 season. Till then we can discus what are the answers that are in the writers heads :P (sorry for my bad english)"
1 and 2 are most likely related...sex?
3. could be useful? same reason she kept vick's chip?
4. Jesse is obviously an anti-shipper :P
5. Jesse thinks of her as a pretty and dumb blonde and treats her as such, only tells her what she needs to know.
6. John's future followers? herself?
7. I wonder if the writers even know yet?
8. doubtful.
9. custom made
10. I used to think that this was all a lie by Cameron, but not so sure now. maybe terminators go bad for skynet too.

and dont forget, we dont know who Cameron was writing too in that note after she killed vick. derek? vick?
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Iranatest
Iranatest
46. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 22 2008, 11:57 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 22 2008, 11:57 PM EST
6. This was in reference to the anti-shippers in the future. Jesse is one of them that abducted Riley & came back to young John.

10. I'm in the camp that it was a lie.
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vaberella
vaberella
47. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 23 2008, 4:18 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2008, 4:18 AM EST
"The only 2 questions i give a flip about are......

1. When is John gonna warm up to Cam again?

2.When are we gonna be able to look at the screen, see John, and say "Yea, that's John Connor. KickIn ass and takin names".

? #1 is important to me cause I think, considering the life he has ahead of him, That our boy John deserves some hot cyborg lovin :)

? #2 is important to me.... first of all, because the chances of us getting a third and possibly more seasons are looking bleak (IMO).........If we were guaranteed a third season i wouldn't mind a slow build up to "General Connor",,,,But its starting to look to me like we are gonna be left with Emo John come the series finale. and that wouldn't just suck..it would be tragic.

Secondly, i think they are handling Johns character wrong. I understand he's a Teenager, but hes not a (in his own words) normal teenager. I think Liquid Metal was right. They should have had john be a little older."
Huh...

Well it's inevitable that there is John/Cam in the future. That's a gimmie and been solidified by Jesse herself. Jesse basically says that she has too much power and influence over John. The magnitude of that relationship is what is not understood or known. If they are having sex is what I mean. However, a relationship is in place and Cameron currently is the Alpha Female in the area. That being said it doesn't matter how long it takes, you know that it will happen that he forgives her and that they eventually get together.

As for the second question...I don't know. This is again another definitive, but so far, he's just a wet dog. An emo one at that. I would have hoped he'd be on his way now, but he's far more reckless now than he ever was in S1. John is a problem now and I would sooner take him out to save the future of mankind...cause he's not taking responsibility. Another long wait possibly....but definitive. I just hope they work on his character some more.

Maybe he becomes a man in the second half of the show that's left. I agree with you to an extent on John. His character is being handled poorly, however I get where they're going with it. He's rebeling against everything and Riley is providing that extention for him. That being said his personalit is justified. However, at the same time he's not a normal teenager...and she should be on top of that.

So I just see his attitude as a response to nearly being killed by something he probably had feelings for/loving and losing that little bit of innocence in love that he was building with Cam---I'm not a Cam/John fan, but I could tell the boy was having feelings, it wasn't that hard to see.
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mculton
mculton
48. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 23 2008, 5:46 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2008, 5:46 AM EST
it's genetically engineered meat. IF you think about it, it would be easy to sustain something like that with a relatively small amount of stored nutrients. Kind of like hydroponics? But keep in mind it's the machines doing the engineering, so it's like, perfect almost... 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
mculton
mculton
49. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 23 2008, 5:51 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2008, 5:51 AM EST
"16. Where are the other chips besides Cromarties? What is Cameron doing with them?
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16. She has been feeding them to JC to analyze with his laptop. This is were we got the machine kill-list and so on..
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mculton
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50. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 23 2008, 6:04 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2008, 6:04 AM EST
"I'm surprised that some people would have said CW was sent to protect John. I would never have thought that would be the case. I do agree with you in regardsto Skynet. There is absolutely nothing benign about them and nor do I think they would ever be benign since to this day the base programming is to kill John Connor, further more those who might have helped John also have been killed. Dr. Sherman, although we're still unsure on where he stood for John or Sarah. Further more, there is the role of Ellison, which I think has become more pervasive than anyone else in the future. I could see him as the head of those called "gray's".

In regards to John probably sending CW back, I'd love to know how he managed to program or create a liquid machine. I see them as even beyond John Connor's era. Has it ever been said what time period the T-1000/T-1001 has come from? I always thought they were far far advanced than even John's lifetime but even ensuring that human's are eradicated is still not the case.

"
well yeah, I mean... Maybe there is a war in the future that happens after all humans are gone. A war between opposing skynets. Maybe we're just seeing the seed being planted in the present by the future "friendly" skynet to ensure military viability in their current conflict of the distant future.
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Iranatest
Iranatest
51. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Dec 23 2008, 11:19 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2008, 11:19 PM EST
"well yeah, I mean... Maybe there is a war in the future that happens after all humans are gone. A war between opposing skynets. Maybe we're just seeing the seed being planted in the present by the future "friendly" skynet to ensure military viability in their current conflict of the distant future."
Interest theory. Or maybe humanity isn't exterminatoed but hooked up as batteries.
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t5000
t5000
52. RE: Unanswered questions so far
Apr 27 2009, 2:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 27 2009, 2:22 AM EDT
"Have been arguing this same side for a while now. I simply don't buy the alternate good skynet theory. For one thing, Skynet is only meaningful if it is in control of the military..so what does the other skynet control? Another thing, if CW were sent by John, why not contact the Connors and protect them? With CW's power and resources, would be quite easy to hide them, help them store resources in case JD still happens. If John had Cam and CW protecting him, would be pretty hard to kill. Also, if CW is sent by John, but present John does not know about it, and the Connors stumble upon CW, they would likely try to destroy the whole operation. So, yes, I agree that CW is there to hasten JD."
do you buy it now ??
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